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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008 Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service''Did you see what Obama said? "We are the only advanced country in the world that doesn't have high-speedrail," Democratic US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said. "The irony is, with gas prices what they are, we should be expanding railservice. One of the things I have been talking about for a while ishigh-speed rail connecting all of these Midwest cities." source all over the place |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:22:28 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. EXCELLENT!!!He is a better choice. Better than other two BS candidates. He isn't into the CHEAPO bull chit, like Hillary "The Bullchit Bitch" Clinton: "Oh, we must get rid of the gas tax, so vote for me, and i will make gas ten cents cheaper, oh and i will *try* to get out of iraq in 30 days(what exactly that means, i do not know)." Obama is not the best possible candidate, but the BEST one we have to choose from. He has my vote. Heck, maybe he and i will team up too. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 20:53:35 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:22:28 2008. i like this too |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:55:19 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 20:53:35 2008. For some reason, i believe that if i, or you, or some other subchatters here go to Obama, he will listen to us, and take our advice. He seems reasonable. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 21:22:15 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. Canada and Australia have high-speed rail? That's news to me. Both countries have struggled over the years to put a high-speed train (in excess of 125 mph/200 kph) in service.The other question is: Will he follow through on this? If you recall, Bill Clinton way back in 1992 talked about wanting to implement high-speed rail across the country. But, other than the mixed success of Acela and Talgo trains in the Pacific Northwest that are capable of going 125 mph, but currently only do 79 mph, what do we have to show for it? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 21:32:42 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 21:22:15 2008. there isn't much pressure in canada and austrailia for high speed rail.I believe he will follow through, BUT, he has a lot of chit to clean up when he becomes president, so it won't be #1 agenda, and rail hasn't been #1 agenda for over a century now, which is somewhat a good thing, but the fact that it is almost the last in line is a bad thing. I would like to see education cleaned up, as well as healthcare, rail should follow. I love rail more than anyone else, but those two areas are in dire need right now for better funding, and budgeting. |
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Posted by Midnight Rider on Wed May 7 21:57:14 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:55:19 2008. No thanks I'm voting for John McCain. As much as I can't stand him, he's still the lesser of 3 evils.As for high-speed rail - well we got Acela as a start, but how can you do this in the midwest? Are you going to electrify that trackage? Most of the train routes are diesel (Empire Builder, Hiawatha, etc.) Can this be done in a short period of time? Or are the democrats dreaming again? It's a nice idea on paper, but I'm not sure it's going to be as easy as they think. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 22:51:55 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 21:32:42 2008. "there isn't much pressure in canada and austrailia for high speed rail."There should be, especially in the eastern parts of both nations, where you have several major cities in reasonably close proximity to each other. As for what President Obama would do to get our chit together, yes, solving the problems of education, healthcare and the Iraqi war are probably the three 800-pound gorillas in the room. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 7 22:56:49 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Midnight Rider on Wed May 7 21:57:14 2008. As for high-speed rail - well we got Acela as a start, but how can you do this in the midwest? Are you going to electrify that trackage? Most of the train routes are diesel (Empire Builder, Hiawatha, etc.) Can this be done in a short period of time? Or are the democrats dreaming again?Wasn't there just a thread about Turboliners for sale? :P |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 22:58:35 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. Obama never heard of Acela Express or Metroliner? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 23:10:52 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:55:19 2008. i will have to 'roll the dice'' and wait and find out later |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 23:14:41 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Midnight Rider on Wed May 7 21:57:14 2008. Australia has diesel railcars capable of operating at 210 kph (approx. 130 mph) that operate out of Perth. Granted, that's no TGV or Shinkansen, but it's better than most of what we have now.http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/transwa-prospector/ They are nice trains. Put them on tracks capable of 130-mph service and you might have a good start in the midwest without electrification. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 7 23:15:09 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 22:58:35 2008. My dog can outrun the Acela. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:27:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 23:14:41 2008. There in austrailia, the trains are tilting trains, like the Acela.TGV is not a tilting train, but a surdier, more rigid one, with banked rails. I believe Acela uses an electrical hydraulic tilting system rather than a simpler pendulum system. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 7 23:37:39 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 22:58:35 2008. That's not true high speed rail. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 23:44:10 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:22:28 2008. b7 yu0 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 23:45:54 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 22:51:55 2008. Those aren't the biggest problems. Chief problem is employment and rebuilding our manufacturing base.Australia has three different track gauges. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 23:46:48 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 21:22:15 2008. The other question is: Will he follow through on this?Nope. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 23:47:04 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 7 23:37:39 2008. I guess we'll wait for true HSR: 300 kmh (186 mph) from Washington to Boston by 2020. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:49:27 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 23:44:10 2008. i don't get you. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:50:58 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 23:45:54 2008. true, those are other problems, but of equal importance. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 7 23:52:14 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:22:28 2008. You gotta be real. No one is getting us out of Iraq any time soon. We're kinda just stuck there for now |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:54:31 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 7 23:52:14 2008. i am real, Hillary "The Bullchit Bitch" Clinton isn't real. She is making lies to get quick votes and elected, and she is also pulling some gast tax bull, all out of her mouth, BS. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 00:33:04 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on rail ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 23:27:46 2008. TGV is not a tilting train, but a surdier (sic), more rigid one, with banked railsThe rails are not as banked as you think. The LGVs are built as straight as possible. And the trainsets are built by Alstom (horrors!) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 00:37:01 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 23:47:04 2008. Where are they going to build that? Who has plans for that? (Answers: nowhere and nobody. There's no incentive to build something like that, besides.)If you can get the Acela Express up to an overall average speed of 100 mph (which ought to be standard for tilt trains, really), then Washington to Boston could be as short as 4½ hours (with WAS-NYP no longer than 2 hours). |
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Posted by WillD on Thu May 8 00:54:35 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 23:47:04 2008. Why would you overload one corridor with that? Give the rest of the country a crack at high speed rail before we go messing with the NEC. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu May 8 05:35:14 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed May 7 21:22:15 2008. Canada and Australia have high-speed rail? That's news to me. Both countries have struggled over the years to put a high-speed train (in excess of 125 mph/200 kph) in service.Reminds me of the unfunniest German joke ever: Warum heißt Kanada Kanada? - Weil keiner da ist. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu May 8 05:35:42 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. I'll send him a map... ;-) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 8 08:04:03 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. Does he say how he will deal with the NIMBY's or how he will pay for it? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 8 09:29:26 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by The Port of Authority on Wed May 7 23:37:39 2008. That's not true high speed rail.And there's a lot more to this country than the NEC. Boston to Washington is practically a local service. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 11:36:30 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. High speed rail is worthwhile but should not be a priority. Putting the other major issues aside, what is the motivation for any politican to suddenly embrace something as banal as transit? It hasn't been noticed for years by any administartion since the last highways were built nationwide. All other state funded projects do not count here. The Fed. has to do something about fuel consupmtion and mass-transit is a most imoprtatnt solution. Up until now, it's been side-stepped. Weaning people (away from and off of) who live with cars daily will not be easy, although as fuel prices go up I'm sure they will at least listen to alternatives. I don't see a nation of hybrid and electric car drivers. They can't build enough of them and they can't bring the cost down. Existing mass-transit can be expanded to to this. It's all dependant on comittment. In this area, they are converting defunct rail lines into bicycle paths! SEPTA has lines all over the place that are just sitting there. NYC has had many opportunities to add to the existing/best system in the world. Money! That's all it takes, and believe it it's out there it just needs to be re-directed. Any rail system that can breach and cross the New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania areas will only add possibilities of growing the economy, connecting areas that could be considered as one, and save millions in fuel expenses. Built parking areas, fire up some kind, any kind of train, and carry the people. It's so obvious that it's a crime not to be addressed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 11:42:46 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. Where does he get that we are the "only country in the world that doesn't have high speed rail"?And it all sounds great on paper, as most of his speeches do, I always said he is an excellent speaker. But saying "what problems we have" is not the same as doing anything about the problems. How does he propose that HE will advance this? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 11:46:45 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 8 08:04:03 2008. Exactly!All of his speeches are: "The working people of this country are frustrated" (applause follows) "We need to get our of Iraq"(applause follows) "We are the only country in the world (i/c) that doesn't have high speed rail"(applause follows) "We need better health care"(applause follows) "The economy is bad".(applause follows)(applause follows) "People are frustrated with the current admistration". (applause follows) "Etc" (applause follows) Anyone can stand up at a podium and rattle off everything that's wrong, or list everything people want to hear. How does HE propose to do anything about any of these problems? He speaks great, is great at roosing the crowd, and telling them what they want to hear, then is met with applause, but after all that great speech he makes, he said nothing.....nothing we didn't already know. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 11:59:26 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed May 7 20:22:28 2008. This is directed to all who participate here. I didn't think it would be cool to discuss the candidates in this forum. Briefly, I will say this since so many other have done so. Are there ever any candidates that meet the criteria we all want? I can't see that happening. And, with the media's ability do dig dirt on people, it makes it less clear and more muddied as far as whom to choose. I am registered to vote and voted in the primary. Without revealing another thing, I will say that no matter what happens to Hillary, many women blame her for her husband's infidileties and don't trust her. This has nothing to do with her abailities. Obama's misses is a powder keg waiting to go off and will surely be his downfall somewhere along the way. McCain, veteran or not, he's marching to another's man's drum and all of us are worn out from the last 8 years. If only the selection system were better. The campigning system is all run by money and anyone who may have something positive to contribute, if they can't buy the job they won't get it. It's wrong. It's done all wring. Okay, the wind is out of my bag. Sorry to politicise. I love trains. I adore any subway system and want to ride them all. Oops, there goes the brevity. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 12:03:28 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 11:46:45 2008. He can't make any proposals because he either doesn't have any or he is too busy running away from the issues of his past. They all have skeletons to hide. They all have money to buy the office. They DON"T have all the answers, and all three of these people have not impressed that upon the voters. The plans to do all these things will take forever in our government. Someone's got to go in, clean house, kick ass and take names. None of them are the ideal candidate and it's not fair that we are left to pick the least of any evil. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 12:26:12 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 11:42:46 2008. How does he propose that HE will advance this?He doesn't. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 8 12:31:16 2008, in response to Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 16:18:58 2008. the biggest advocate in state office who supported high speed rail in Florida is now the biggest opponent of commuter and freight rail. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 12:32:32 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 8 12:31:16 2008. That person must be getting greased to go the other way. It's how the system works. WRONG! |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 12:52:18 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 12:03:28 2008. Someone's got to go in, clean house, kick ass and take names.I'm sorry, but sadly our founding fathers wrote the constitution so anything but this would take place. What you'd want is short-term, Roman-style dictatorship which might not be that bad at this point if the guy/girl is right. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:15:46 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 12:52:18 2008. Is that how I've come across, as wanting a dictatorship? My apologies for running off at the mouth. What I meant was that we need a strong leader who will support the Constitution. We all know what's needed. We all know what we want. We all know the current system is procuring a new leader is highly flawed, too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:17:06 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 12:52:18 2008. sadly our founding fathers wrote the constitution so anything but this would take place"Sadly"? What you'd want is short-term, Roman-style dictatorship No such thing as "short-term" when it comes to stuff like that. Maybe you should be moved somewhere that does have such government so that you can be a victim of it instead of abusing the freedom to utter dumb things as you exhibit hereupon. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:20:33 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 12:03:28 2008. Someone's got to go in, clean house, kick ass and take namesДа, комрад! |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:30:19 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:20:33 2008. Wow! Talk about being taken out of text! I am a Born on the 4th of July American! How serious am I being taken? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:31:17 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:30:19 2008. Not very, so don't worry about it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 13:43:24 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 12:03:28 2008. That's exactly it. So then why would anyone get excited when he said this? He's not going to do anything more about "high speed rail" than either of the other two are. He won't get the money for it any more than any of the others would. Of course, not that he said anything about "how" he would get the money anyway. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:45:56 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 8 13:43:24 2008. That is exactly the point. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 15:56:17 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:15:46 2008. I understand you 100%, you don't want dictatorship, you want a good, SANE government rather than this idiotic, bloated system with corruption and all. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 16:01:32 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by 156n3rd on Thu May 8 13:45:56 2008. But at least he isn't such a sensationalist, chitting on others to get every vote like hillary "The Bullchit Bitch" Clinton. He isn't rambling about reducing gas prices by 10 cents, or getting out of iraq in 30 days, like the full of bullchit bitch is. He won't be playing as much dickoslap as Hillary, that is for sure, but will he be playing? Most likely. He *IS* a politician, but just the better choice. We need an FDR to flush out the chit.Oh, and PS, george bucs has to pass the federal order to freeze the rent costs and al, that is what nixon did, i believe, during his recession. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 8 16:03:56 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 16:01:32 2008. [Obama] won't be playing as much dickoslap as HillaryOne would think so, since he is not trying to become the US's first gay president. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 8 16:11:08 2008, in response to Re: Obama's quote on railþ ''We should be expanding rail service'', posted by Scrabbleship on Thu May 8 12:52:18 2008. Guy, read the declaration of independence, the first document to be signed by the congress. With their signing of that documant, they were convicted by the british to the death sentence, but we won the revolution. READ it. Pretty much, there is a part there that says :"If the government goes into the chit, the people have the right to replace it. The government is employed by the people, rather than the other way around." Don't forget these things. Lots of negative energies and karma brewing in washington. |
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