Home · Maps · About

Home > SubChat

[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]

(567063)

view threaded

Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
I was seriously looking for "theonion.com" in the URL. However, it's on Findarticles.com, which lends it legitimacy. I never heard of this at all. Anyone?

Metro-North prepares to say farewell to the e.m.u - Metro-North ends purchases of electric multiple-unit railcars - Column

Railway Age, August, 1996 by William C. Vantuono
Metro-North and its predecessor railroads have been operating multiple-unit electric railcars for years, and so have sister northeastern agencies NJ Transit, Long Island Rail Road, and SEPTA. M-N, however, says it is now radically shifting gears in its approach to rolling stock, effectively deep-sixing electric multiple-units for future equipment purchases.

M-N's new strategy calls for increased use of dual-mode locomotives, push-pull coaches, and single-unit electric cars. Such a strategy, says M-N, "streamlines maintenance procedures, minimizes the financial investment required, increases operating flexibility, and addresses needs resulting from ridership growth."

Says M-N President Don Nelson: "With over $200 million earmarked to purchase new rolling stock through the end of this century, and the impending need to replace approximately half of our [third-rail electrified] Hudson and Harlem line electric fleet early in the next century, we decided to review the strategy governing past equipment procurements. What has resulted is a more thoughtful, comprehensive approach to purchasing railcars, not by territory, but by versatility and cost effectiveness."

The old approach had been to purchase railcars based upon where they were slated to operate. If more cars were needed in electrified territory, the railroad bought electric multiple-units. The same principle applied to diesel territory.

The new approach, with its emphasis on dual-mode locos and coaches, says Nelson, "allows us to create a more balanced fleet." Right now, M-N's fleet of about 900 railcars and locomotives includes 700 electric multiple-units. Of these, 238 (all used on the Hudson and Harlem lines) are a minimum of 23 years old, and some date back to 1962. Fairly soon, they'll be ready for retirement. And as Amtrak has learned, it's very expensive to keep old rolling stock rolling.

Abandoning electric multiple-units makes a lot of sense, says M-N, and for several reasons:
  • Initial purchase price for an electric multiple-unit can be nearly twice that of a push-pull coach. NJ Transit, for example, opted to purchase 95 Comet IVB cars from Bombardier for $111 million (RA, Feb. 1995, p. 8) rather than spend nearly $2 million per unit rebuilding 70 ancient Arrow II electric cars. Although the Comet IVBs will use a $4.8 million ALP44 electric locomotive for power, the cost saving is still substantial for a ten- to twelve-car trainset.

  • M-N operates six different classes of electric cars, which creates something of a nightmare for the folks who maintain the cars and manage their parts inventory. And most of the cars are configured in married pairs that cannot be separated. Trainset length, therefore, cannot be adjusted as readily.

  • Electric cars "are more vulnerable to severe winter weather and cannot operate at all during power outages"--a fact all too familiar to M-N and LIRR after the past two winters.

  • M-N's system is not fully electrified, and ridership is growing in areas where third-rail doesn't reach. Why purchase equipment that can't go where the customers are? Also, extending electrification would be cost-prohibitive (especially in these days of lean, mean capital budgets doled out by cut-conscious legislators). Dual-mode power is far more flexible, and can provide customers with an oft-preferred one-seat ride.
M-N has proposed a yet-to-be-approved capital investment plan through 1999 that includes adding 15 push-pull coaches to an order of 34 now under construction by Bombardier. To power them, the railroad plans to order 20 dual-mode locomotives, 15 of which will operate in electrified territory. (M-N recently acquired five dual-mode Genesis units from GE identical to those purchased by Amtrak, and already has considerable experience with its older fleet of FL9 dual-modes inherited from the New Haven.)

By going this route, M-N says that it will save an estimated $2.3 million annually in operating and maintenance expenses beginning in 2003. However, the railroad has not ruled out purchasing new electric railcars, and intends to procure 21 single-unit vehicles.

A similar revamping strategy is being applied to the ticket selling process. In a joint, three-step program with LIRR, M-N will be replacing its entire ticket selling system with new technology.

Proposals are now being sought for a replacement system for ticket office machines. The next step will be to develop a replacement for the automated ticket vending machines currently in use. A third program will establish a pilot project to test hand-held onboard ticket vending machines for train conductors. The new ticket selling system will be able to accept credit, debit, or "smart" cards, and will be integrated with MTA New York City Transit.

COPYRIGHT 1996 Simmons-Boardman Publishing Corporation
COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group



Post a New Response

(567099)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 10 10:18:58 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
No, I never heard this, but then again I wasn't reading Railway Age in 1996.

Post a New Response

(567112)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
I remember this article. Obviously it's only words, because MNR has or will introduce new classes of MU cars - M7 and M8 - for its electrified services and continue to use MU equipment well into the 21st century. The flexibility and speed of MU equipment in high density suburban service has no peer. While the invention of push-pull locomotive-hauled consists in Chicago about 50 years ago allows non-MU services to have the same turning flexibility as MU trains, the starting and stopping of loco-hauled equipment is not as fast, effectively cutting down track capacity.

The only transit agency that has turned towards loco-hauled coaches in lieu of MUs is NJ Transit.

Post a New Response

(Sponsored)

iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It

(567114)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 10 10:39:26 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d

The only transit agency that has turned towards loco-hauled coaches in lieu of MUs is NJ Transit.

Lets hope they see the error of their ways when the Arrow III's are due to be retired...which can't be too far off. Both push-pull and MU's have their own advantages and disadvantages, a transit system really can't commit to just one type.

Post a New Response

(567200)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 10 12:59:35 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
While the invention of push-pull locomotive-hauled consists in Chicago about 50 years ago

France and Germany already had push-pull locomotive-hauled commuter trains in the 1930s. The invention itself goes back to England in 1904.

Post a New Response

(567202)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 13:10:40 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
While the invention of push-pull locomotive-hauled consists in Chicago about 50 years ago

They didn't invent push-pull electric out there, though. The diesel push-pull replaced steam ops and/or diesel ops where the locomotive had to change ends.

The only transit agency that has turned towards loco-hauled coaches in lieu of MUs is NJ Transit

MARC is like that as well.

Post a New Response

(567236)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 10 15:30:24 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 10 12:59:35 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
And in 1904 England ran that locomotive how?

Interesting.

ROAR

Post a New Response

(567721)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 11 12:11:38 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 10 15:30:24 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
The 1904 ones of the Great Western were mechanical and could only work from less than three cars apart. On a four car train, the locomotive would have been put in the middle sandwiched between the cars. They weren't very reliable but they were the first.

Post a New Response

(567781)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Feb 11 16:08:47 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 11 12:11:38 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
The 1904 ones of the Great Western were mechanical and could only work from less than three cars apart. On a four car train, the locomotive would have been put in the middle sandwiched between the cars. They weren't very reliable but they were the first.

The Western also had early MUs, which were a lot more successful. In fact, they were such a victim of their own success that they had to be replaced by loco-haulage on Birmingham (Snow Hill) to Cardiff (General) via Stratford-upon-Avon (General) runs.

Post a New Response

(568881)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:10:48 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 10 15:30:24 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
'And in 1904 England ran that locomotive how?'

Steam-hauled push-and-pull trains lasted into my lifetime in the UK. When the loco was at the front, the trains was driven normally. When it was at the rear, the fireman remained on the footplate and the driver rode in a cab car at the other end, which was provided with pneumatic controls for the regulator, reverser and brake, using an airpipe running under the cars. As Wado said, there was a fairly strict limit on the number of cars - most push-and-pull trains were only two cars long. And as he rightly said, the GWR sometimes put the loco in the middle, with a cab car on either side of it.


Post a New Response

(568884)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:18:34 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:10:48 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
The recently re-opened, renovated London Transport Museum has a push-and-pull cab car on display. It is an 1897 steam-hauled compartment stock (slam-door) car that was converted into an EMU cab car when the Metropolitan Railway was mostly electrified early in the 20th century. It was later converted back to a steam-hauled push-and-pull cab car for use on the Chesham branch of the Metropolitan Line, where it served until electrification reached Chesham in 1960. These 1897 Metropolitan Railway cars were the oldest passenger rolling stock operational in the UK when they were retired in 1960, aged 63 years! I remember riding them on the Met as a teenage railfan, in their last years.

Post a New Response

(568892)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 13 10:29:12 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Obviously they ended up not following that strategy...

Post a New Response

(568899)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Feb 13 10:46:38 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Might have been interesting to see electric locomotives push/pulling coaches on New Haven and SLE trains.

As for this 1996 report about electric locomotives operating off the third rail, I wonder how they imagined that was going to work. Or were the locomotives basically going to run off diesel north of Harlem, thus obviating the whole electrification thing?

Post a New Response

(569208)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Feb 13 21:36:33 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:10:48 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Steam-hauled push-and-pull trains lasted until 1969 in Paris and I saw them. But my dad finally took me for a ride on that line on the first weekend of RER service, not on the last weekend of steam service! :(

Post a New Response

(569226)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by Otto on Wed Feb 13 22:02:40 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Where's Jaap Van Dorp? He should know this cause he works for Metro-North.

Post a New Response

(569228)

view threaded

Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??

Posted by IowaHoghead on Wed Feb 13 22:03:31 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Otto on Wed Feb 13 22:02:40 2008.

edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Last I looked, he was with Wiggie getting a hum job.

Post a New Response


[ Return to the Message Index ]