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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008 I was seriously looking for "theonion.com" in the URL. However, it's on Findarticles.com, which lends it legitimacy. I never heard of this at all. Anyone?
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 10 10:18:58 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008. No, I never heard this, but then again I wasn't reading Railway Age in 1996. |
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Posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008. I remember this article. Obviously it's only words, because MNR has or will introduce new classes of MU cars - M7 and M8 - for its electrified services and continue to use MU equipment well into the 21st century. The flexibility and speed of MU equipment in high density suburban service has no peer. While the invention of push-pull locomotive-hauled consists in Chicago about 50 years ago allows non-MU services to have the same turning flexibility as MU trains, the starting and stopping of loco-hauled equipment is not as fast, effectively cutting down track capacity.The only transit agency that has turned towards loco-hauled coaches in lieu of MUs is NJ Transit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 10 10:39:26 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008. The only transit agency that has turned towards loco-hauled coaches in lieu of MUs is NJ Transit. Lets hope they see the error of their ways when the Arrow III's are due to be retired...which can't be too far off. Both push-pull and MU's have their own advantages and disadvantages, a transit system really can't commit to just one type. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 10 12:59:35 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008. While the invention of push-pull locomotive-hauled consists in Chicago about 50 years agoFrance and Germany already had push-pull locomotive-hauled commuter trains in the 1930s. The invention itself goes back to England in 1904. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 13:10:40 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Andy on Sun Feb 10 10:32:58 2008. While the invention of push-pull locomotive-hauled consists in Chicago about 50 years agoThey didn't invent push-pull electric out there, though. The diesel push-pull replaced steam ops and/or diesel ops where the locomotive had to change ends. The only transit agency that has turned towards loco-hauled coaches in lieu of MUs is NJ Transit MARC is like that as well. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 10 15:30:24 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 10 12:59:35 2008. And in 1904 England ran that locomotive how?Interesting. ROAR |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 11 12:11:38 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 10 15:30:24 2008. The 1904 ones of the Great Western were mechanical and could only work from less than three cars apart. On a four car train, the locomotive would have been put in the middle sandwiched between the cars. They weren't very reliable but they were the first. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Feb 11 16:08:47 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 11 12:11:38 2008. The 1904 ones of the Great Western were mechanical and could only work from less than three cars apart. On a four car train, the locomotive would have been put in the middle sandwiched between the cars. They weren't very reliable but they were the first.The Western also had early MUs, which were a lot more successful. In fact, they were such a victim of their own success that they had to be replaced by loco-haulage on Birmingham (Snow Hill) to Cardiff (General) via Stratford-upon-Avon (General) runs. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:10:48 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 10 15:30:24 2008. 'And in 1904 England ran that locomotive how?'Steam-hauled push-and-pull trains lasted into my lifetime in the UK. When the loco was at the front, the trains was driven normally. When it was at the rear, the fireman remained on the footplate and the driver rode in a cab car at the other end, which was provided with pneumatic controls for the regulator, reverser and brake, using an airpipe running under the cars. As Wado said, there was a fairly strict limit on the number of cars - most push-and-pull trains were only two cars long. And as he rightly said, the GWR sometimes put the loco in the middle, with a cab car on either side of it. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:18:34 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:10:48 2008. The recently re-opened, renovated London Transport Museum has a push-and-pull cab car on display. It is an 1897 steam-hauled compartment stock (slam-door) car that was converted into an EMU cab car when the Metropolitan Railway was mostly electrified early in the 20th century. It was later converted back to a steam-hauled push-and-pull cab car for use on the Chesham branch of the Metropolitan Line, where it served until electrification reached Chesham in 1960. These 1897 Metropolitan Railway cars were the oldest passenger rolling stock operational in the UK when they were retired in 1960, aged 63 years! I remember riding them on the Met as a teenage railfan, in their last years. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 13 10:29:12 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008. Obviously they ended up not following that strategy... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Feb 13 10:46:38 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008. Might have been interesting to see electric locomotives push/pulling coaches on New Haven and SLE trains.As for this 1996 report about electric locomotives operating off the third rail, I wonder how they imagined that was going to work. Or were the locomotives basically going to run off diesel north of Harlem, thus obviating the whole electrification thing? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Feb 13 21:36:33 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 13 10:10:48 2008. Steam-hauled push-and-pull trains lasted until 1969 in Paris and I saw them. But my dad finally took me for a ride on that line on the first weekend of RER service, not on the last weekend of steam service! :( |
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Posted by Otto on Wed Feb 13 22:02:40 2008, in response to Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 10 07:38:52 2008. Where's Jaap Van Dorp? He should know this cause he works for Metro-North. |
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Posted by IowaHoghead on Wed Feb 13 22:03:31 2008, in response to Re: Railway Age from 1996—Metro-North Abandoning EMUs??, posted by Otto on Wed Feb 13 22:02:40 2008. Last I looked, he was with Wiggie getting a hum job. |
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