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Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 16:44:11 2005, in response to Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 16:26:43 2005. No. There are the support for the 3rd rail that'd b knocked out by that kind of system. |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 17:07:17 2005, in response to Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 16:26:43 2005. In a sense, a double sided shoe. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 25 17:16:16 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 17:07:17 2005. When Paris' Western suburbs were third railed, They used exactly that as they were sections of over rail and sections of under rail.
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 17:32:51 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 16:44:11 2005. I don't quite understand, aren't the shoes short enough that they wouldn't knock into the supports? If not, couldn't you make it shorter? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 17:54:52 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 17:32:51 2005. Now I'm starting to get confused..... |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 18:04:09 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 17:54:52 2005. Okay.Imagine a peanut butter snadwich. The top bread slice is the MNRR third rail, the peanut butter is the contact shoe, and the bottom slice is the LIRR third rail. The peanut butter touches both slices so therefore is compatable with both systems. Do you get it now?...... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 25 18:15:06 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 16:44:11 2005. Are you 100% sure about that? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 18:24:21 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 18:04:09 2005. It wasn't your plan that I was confused about, it was the 3rd rail....but that kind of makes sense.I thought you meant have 2 different shoes for 1 3rd rail. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 18:25:47 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 25 18:15:06 2005. That's what I said I was confused about....I'm trying to picture it. This is sad considering I was on both MN and LIRR just a few hours ago. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 18:26:48 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 18:24:21 2005. I didn't think that two contact shoes would be feasible. Could my plan (or your "double shoe" plan) work? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 25 19:15:04 2005, in response to Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 16:26:43 2005. Yes, the NH FL-9's were equipped with dual position shoes for operation into both Penn Station and GCT. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 19:26:36 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 18:26:48 2005. I think your plan would. It would require the 2 different 3rd rails though, but only for limited sections. |
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Posted by Jayman on Fri Feb 25 19:34:20 2005, in response to Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 16:26:43 2005. The spring action on the shoe would have to be made to operate in both power systems. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:36:59 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 19:26:36 2005. What do you mean it would require two different third rails? If the sho fits either one, then can run on that one, right? |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:37:57 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Jayman on Fri Feb 25 19:34:20 2005. So? They run on the same current, correct? |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:38:49 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 25 19:15:04 2005. Hmmmm....But could you retrofit the current MU stock to do that? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 19:40:19 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:36:59 2005. But you said it'd be one shoe and two different 3rd rails. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:43:32 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 19:40:19 2005. Uh, correct. But the whole point of this is so we could work with the third rail already in place. Remeber the "peanut butter" analogy. They wouldn't use two different rails at the same time becasue then you would have a very big BOOM! They would use LIRR third rail on LIRR tracks and MNRR third rail on MNRR tracks. Simple.Basically, one shoe with one rail, weihter it's MNRR or LIRR. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 25 20:12:21 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:43:32 2005. Your theory would work if the third rail(bread) were at same relative position as the the peanut butter sandwich you discribe. Butthe problem is the top bread is were bottom slice is and bottom bread is were top slice should be. so how do you fit the peanut butter. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 20:23:59 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 25 20:12:21 2005. 1) are you sure about that? All I need is a small space, and from what I've seen of MNRR third rail, it looks a lot higher than LIRR third rail, suggesting there is a gap there.2) If there is no gap, then the simple solution is to have the bread be the double shoe and the peanut butter be the third rail. That way, the current still reaches the train without any booms and it's still compatable. The one thing I could think that might pose a probelm is those pesky LIRR third rail covers, they would have to be raised to where they don't mess up the contact shoe. |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 20:26:48 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:37:57 2005. He means that the shoe itself would need to have a tension so it would continuously rub against the rail without lifting off. However, you would need an up AND down tension; sorta difficult, no? |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 20:40:52 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 20:26:48 2005. Uh, like I said, the shoes would behave as they behave now, the shoes would simply have contacts on both sides to allow under-running and over-running third rails.... |
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Posted by mambomta on Fri Feb 25 21:09:38 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 20:40:52 2005. IIRC, The overrunning shoes that LIRR uses are higher than the underrunning shoes that MNRR use. MNRR had a locomotive that had breakaway adjustable shoes. If they were in the wrong position, they were designed to breakaway if they hit something so as not to damage the third rail or its supports. Also, AFAIK, the shoes are metal all the way through, so they should be able to draw power regardless of which side makes contact. |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 21:30:06 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 20:40:52 2005. Oh so now you're going back to your 2 shoe plan? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 25 21:33:01 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 19:38:49 2005. probably. It'll cost you tho. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 21:37:29 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 21:30:06 2005. I never did have a "two-shoe" plan, NIMBYkiller brought that up.It's better than your "no-plan". |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 22:11:02 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 21:37:29 2005. Laugh.... does that make you feel mighty? |
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Posted by willD on Fri Feb 25 23:21:29 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 25 19:15:04 2005. Are you sure about that? I believe DutchRailNut rejected that idea back on Subtalk: http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=429305 |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Feb 25 23:40:20 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 20:26:48 2005. However, you would need an up AND down tension; sorta difficult, no?If LIRR 3rd Rail is higher than MNRR 3rd Rail minus the thickness of the shoe, it would be easy - two springs and both 3rd Rail systems would push on one or the other. The snag is that the shoe would have to be tear-drop shaped, or it would get knocked off. I'm sure it's technically possible, but whether you'd ever want to do it is another matter. |
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Posted by willD on Fri Feb 25 23:40:57 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 25 20:12:21 2005. I don't know if it'd neccesarily be the best solution, but either a hydraulic (or pnumatic) ram or a small electric driven screw could raise or lower the proposed double-sided 3rd rail shoe relative to the height of the running rails. I do not know what the nominal heights of either the MN or LIRR 3rd rails, but this way via a switch in the cab the shoe could be configured for either system. On a Dual Mode there'd be ample time to make the switch, hopefully most crews would have an oppertunity to make the 3rd rail shoe height change prior to the first segment of 3rd rail. On an EMU it'd be far more difficult (unless that EMU was also equipped with a 3rd power source, be it diesel, cat, or battery), since it's debatable how the EMU could make the transition without completely losing power.On a somwhat related note, do the P32DM-AC's 3rd rail shoes always touch the 3rd rail regardless of their mode of operation? If they're always in contact with the 3rd rail, what happens to the power? Does any of it leak to the ground? |
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Posted by mellow one on Fri Feb 25 23:45:25 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 25 16:44:11 2005. You have to remember, the subway or overrunning shoe has a downward action as do the El type third rail shoes. The underruning third rail shoe of the New York Central vintage electrification has an upward tension. The engineering to make the shoes compatible on either system is probably more costly than the need to actually do it.Conversion of the underrunning system to overrunning would be a monumental task. I believe that the underrunning rail and shoe is better for high speed operation as would catenary be even better. The underruning shoe has upward tension as does catenary contact. |
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Posted by willD on Fri Feb 25 23:56:55 2005, in response to Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 16:26:43 2005. Perhaps a better idea would simply be to convert the Hudson line to a 25kv catenary installation as far north as Albany. Get NYS, the MTA, Amtrak and maybe even CSX in on the project (although I wouldn't expect CSX to pony up any money). Run high voltage AC cat from NYP up the Empire Connection through to Albany, even if it means double-electrifying up to Croton-Harmon. With such an installation you could theoretically have through-running from Poughkeepsie to New Haven with something like an ALP46 if the proper slots existed at NYP and in the East River tubes. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sat Feb 26 00:01:52 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by mellow one on Fri Feb 25 23:45:25 2005. You have to remember, the subway or overrunning shoe has a downward action as do the El type third rail shoes. The underruning third rail shoe of the New York Central vintage electrification has an upward tension. The engineering to make the shoes compatible on either system is probably more costly than the need to actually do it.It could be beautifully simple: 
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 26 02:39:34 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Feb 26 00:01:52 2005. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=55892The third rail height could be a problem in New York though. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 08:31:19 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Feb 25 22:11:02 2005. YES! But I'm already mighty, HAHAHA! |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 08:33:41 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by willD on Fri Feb 25 23:56:55 2005. The point is to achieve compatablity between the LIRR and MNRR. Sure, in the suburbs, it doesn't seem like a lot. But when you get into the city, it provides for a lot more service. I mean, it could allow both the LIRR and MNRR to run into the east river tubes. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 26 08:58:18 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 08:33:41 2005. MNCR has no plans to run in east river tunnels or in Penn station.as told 1000 times Amtrak won't allow mncr into penn station and even if they were to concider it, NJT would scream bloody murder. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 09:56:54 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 26 08:58:18 2005. Why would NJT scream bloody murder? MN and NJT serve different areas, right? And, besides, why not try connecting NJT with Grand Central Terminal? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 26 10:03:38 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 08:33:41 2005.  There is no reason for MNRR and LIRR equipment to be compatable! They are not going to share or pool equipment. There is no place for MNRR in NYP and LIRR is building its own and separate station at GCT that will not even connect with revenue trackage of MNRR. If MNRR wanted to get the Hudson Lion into NYP, they would come down the West Side Tunnel ala AMTK, and they would do it the same way AMTK does it using the same engines. (I *could* forsee MNRR taking over most northbound AMTK routes serving NYS ala NJT and the Clockers!) I do not think that the levels of the two third rail systems, That is the power carring faces of the two systems would work out so that a slice of peanutbutter could contact both loaves of bread. You would have to rebuild one system completely: rails and cars both to make it work, and having done that you might just as well eliminate underrunning alltogether! The Lion has spoken. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 10:09:02 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 26 10:03:38 2005. CUE THE SOUND EFFECTS! *roar* |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 26 10:20:56 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 09:56:54 2005. Why would NJT scream bloody murder? MN and NJT serve different areas, right? Because there are only 21 tracks in NYP, and NJT wants to use as many of them as they can get their trains on. Between LIRR and NJT there is not one cubic centimeter of excess platform space/time. |
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Posted by BMT Dude on Sat Feb 26 10:51:48 2005, in response to Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Fri Feb 25 16:26:43 2005. Not sure if the HEIGHT of the location of the shoe on the truck differs from either system enough to make it an impossible task to re-align them on LIRR or MNRR. That's best left to the 'techies'. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 26 10:58:46 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 09:56:54 2005. Amtrak owns Penn station , LIRR and NJT have time/platform slots.When LIRR east side acces to GCT opens it provides aditional trains to Manhattan, LIRR will not loose slots in Penn station. If slots were to open up , they would go to NJT/LIRR on an equal basis, MNCR would not be entitled to those slots, as LIRR and NJT have been begging for extra slots for years. NJT can and will not be going to GCT due to fact there is no room for catenary in GCT, and without yard space the NJT trains would end up in a stubb end terminal with no place to go. New York had a perfect oportunity to correct the NJT situation after 9/11 and the huge hole were the WTC once stood. instead of rebuilding PATH they should have built a new NJT station there and up graded the PATH tunnels. this oportunity will never present itself again. New York needs new tunnels and new Commuter stations in Penn station vicinity but so far the politicians just seen to reshuffle the Deck chairs on the Titanic , by re-arranging the existing facilities. |
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Posted by Arti on Sat Feb 26 11:10:39 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 26 10:58:46 2005. «instead of rebuilding PATH they should have built a new NJT station there and up graded the PATH tunnels.»There's no way to upgrade PATH tunnels to accomodate NJT trains. The only option would be to build new ones. Why waste the money that doesn't exist to begin with, when PATH does the job it was ment for quite adequatly? Arti |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Sat Feb 26 11:11:57 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Feb 26 08:31:19 2005. ....You need a serious look at your life =/ |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Feb 26 11:13:20 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Sa-Ceu! on Sat Feb 26 11:11:57 2005. neener neener neener neener |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 26 11:33:22 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Arti on Sat Feb 26 11:10:39 2005. There's no way to upgrade PATH tunnels to accomodate NJT trains. The only option would be to build new ones. Why waste the money that doesn't exist to begin with, when PATH does the job it was ment for quite adequatly? Path does its job adequately, there is no doubt about that. But it does not do NJT's job, and THAT is what needs to be thought about. As a matter of fact, I *did* think about it: In that scenerio, PATH's current mission does become obslolete, or mostly so, but It also posits the construction of several LARGE park and ride facilities in New Jersey wdirect service to WTC and 33rd. My Grand Plan also posits the closing of the Lincoln Tunnel to all but busses during rush hour, and even the closing of the Manhattan CBD to outside owned cars. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 26 11:33:47 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Arti on Sat Feb 26 11:10:39 2005. There's no way to upgrade PATH tunnels to accomodate NJT trains. The only option would be to build new ones. Why waste the money that doesn't exist to begin with, when PATH does the job it was ment for quite adequatly? Path does its job adequately, there is no doubt about that. But it does not do NJT's job, and THAT is what needs to be thought about. As a matter of fact, I *did* think about it: In that scenerio, PATH's current mission does become obslolete, or mostly so, but It also posits the construction of several LARGE park and ride facilities in New Jersey wdirect service to WTC and 33rd. My Grand Plan also posits the closing of the Lincoln Tunnel to all but busses during rush hour, and even the closing of the Manhattan CBD to outside owned cars. |
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Posted by Arti on Sat Feb 26 11:42:59 2005, in response to Re: Could you actually make LIRR and MNRR third rail shoes compatable?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 26 11:33:22 2005. «But it does not do NJT's job, and THAT is what needs to be thought about.»NJT doesn't exist for it's own sake, so there's no NJT job, but the task of getting NJ residents to NYC. PATH was designed to do that, and still does. I'd like to see one plausable reason to replace it with NJT. Arti |
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