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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 17:47:05 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 20 17:31:15 2008. "Shit happens that cannot be accounted for and that can quickly eat up whatever reserve you've left yourself."If it happens as often as you imply, it's your own fault for not compensating. And when it does happen, the result is you're late. Period. Maybe you get a tardy slip (does MTA still habd those out). When I worked in aerospace in California, I took two buses to work. On Mondays I'd have to supervise a batch distribution so I needed to be at work by 6AM. The way I worked it out I was at work by 5:30AM, and if I missed my connection at the airport bus terminal to continue south, the next bus would still get me to work on time. I two years Iwasnever late. Not once. Shit happens to the unprepared. After that, you're either prepared or you're not. That's the difference between an adult and an adolescent. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 17:48:55 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 20 17:33:21 2008. Not a bad idea, since the BMT had them at one time. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 17:50:34 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 20 17:31:15 2008. Hell, if the NYC Subway is going to be mind numbingly slow you might as well let the people pass between cars.Depends on what you deem as "mind numbdingly slow"... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 17:52:17 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 17:50:34 2008. Any speed that doesn't suit Will, obviously. 8-) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Jan 20 17:57:05 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. Tell me you blew the horn and smiled as you passed her position. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 17:58:20 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 17:52:17 2008. Some Places you have tangent track, no trains in front of you no speed restrictions, no track workers the track is yours keep it moving..Some Places it's not like that cant be helped... Then again you DO have "slow" T/O's out there as well as New Jacks... They have nothing to do with it though.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:04:41 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:10:35 2008. Walking in between cars is not dangerous, if they are holding on to the grab-irons in between cars. I've seen too many people who don't hold on or hold on to the safety chains (a no no) and sort of hop as they cross.Yet there still haven't been any documented recent cases of deaths resulting from people simply walking between cars. Furthermore, as you rode the museum train, you know that... There is the potential for injury here. As there is for crossing a street. Not looking both ways before crossing a street is like crossing between cars without using the handgrabs. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:06:07 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 16:23:35 2008. Riding between cars should not be allowed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:07:25 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:17:25 2008. Who has died while simply walking between cars? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jan 20 18:08:01 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:10:35 2008. I was indeed very guilty of this infraction yesterday as I went from north motor to south motor on the "C" train as I rode from Jay Street to Penn Station. I always use the grab irons and if I am in doubt, I wait, then move whilst stopped at the station. For cars with no grab irons (R40 and R40M "B" ends), I go round the outside.BTW someone became a 12-9 (and survived) on the "J" today, falling between R42s #4814 and #4815. This was on the 6PM Channel 7 news. I wonder if they were crossing between cars. wayne |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:09:07 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:07:25 2008. Who has died while simply walking between cars?An Elderly man fell between the cars while he WAS walking between them on a SouthBound 3 Express train... This happened about 3 years ago when i was in the A Div... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 18:11:02 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 20 16:33:28 2008. Or homeless person or rowdy kids... etc. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:11:44 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:06:07 2008. Just seen it on Ch 7 News a Women fell between the cars on a J train Today, she survived but i dont know if she has all of her limbs though...They said the Police dont know how she "got between the cars"... Any Guesses?? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:12:42 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!(12-9 on the J today), posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:11:44 2008. lol |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 18:13:22 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 20 13:22:09 2008. Probably better off at Jamaica Center... Unless at 53rd-Lex he's near the middle and can take the escalator up to the mezzanine above. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:14:47 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:09:07 2008. Thank you. So there's one. And it probably obvious that an elderly man with deteriorated motor skills should not have been walking between cars. That was a poor judgment call on his part. But as for the able-bodied people who make most of the walks between cars, why shouldn't they be allowed to continue the safe practice? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 18:15:53 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 20 16:33:28 2008. Are cars full of leggy blondes on their Pantless Ride considered "hot" cars too? 8-) |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 18:16:46 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:20:51 2008. I wonder if they are reading this thread here? Then there's no way she can talk herself out of not paying the fine. :) She was warned and chose not to listen. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 18:16:51 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 18:15:53 2008. THAT kind of heat I can take ;-) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 18:18:54 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:14:47 2008. Because they have not been trained how to walk between cars safely. How many transit systems allow passengers to walk between cars? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 18:19:35 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:20:51 2008. I wonder if they are reading this thread here? Then there's no way she can talk her way* out of not paying the fine. :) She was warned and chose not to listen. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:20:49 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:14:47 2008. Hey its thier rules, thier trains, thier tracks, they make em we follow em we dont have to like em..As long as "saftey" isnt a issue with the rules i dont have a problem with them. I do feel if a "condition" exists" in a car and you have to move to another car then you should, not just move between cars on GP.. |
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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Sun Jan 20 18:27:48 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!(12-9 on the J today), posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:11:44 2008. LOL oh shit lol yo I think some ya people on subchat just jinxed somebody to get hurt in the middle of the carsO.D |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 18:27:55 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 20 16:23:35 2008. It is done, and enforced, so that the MTA can defend itself in the event of a lawsuit for wrongful death or something. "We got rules, and we enforce them."End of Story. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 18:30:56 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!(12-9 on the J today), posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:11:44 2008. Same Woman, no doubt!ROAR |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 18:31:12 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!(12-9 on the J today), posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:11:44 2008. My guess is she wanted to be at the correct end at Broadway Junction so she walked, er balked. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:33:34 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 17:02:49 2008. We're not arguing that. We're arguing if the law is actually a good one and is it needed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:36:33 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 17:50:34 2008. I think that's obvious. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:38:55 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 20 17:33:21 2008. Considering most subway systems ban passing from one car to another, I'm not so sure this is an accurate statement.All subway systems are not the same. Some have actual good reasons for prohibiting it. Even NYCT has good reasons for prohibiting it in some cases, as they have rightly done (75' cars). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:49:06 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 18:18:54 2008. But even so, the statistics show it to be a very safe practice. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:50:47 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 18:20:49 2008. Hey its thier rules, thier trains, thier tracks, they make em we follow em we dont have to like em..I'm not debating that. I'm debating the rule itself. As long as "saftey" isnt a issue with the rules i dont have a problem with them. I do feel if a "condition" exists" in a car and you have to move to another car then you should, not just move between cars on GP.. I feel that as long as you are able bodied, you should be able to walk between cars as people have been doing in NYC for 100 years. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 18:54:55 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 10:53:00 2008. Sean Bell and his group thought the cops who were blocking them in were impostors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 18:56:14 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:34:14 2008. If the car is hot, then that is technically a hazardous situation, and such a ticket issued should absolutely be challenged on those grounds. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 18:56:59 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:20:51 2008. Not knowing isn't a valid excuse in the legal arena, however. One is expected to know the rules. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 19:00:38 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:50:47 2008. MTA is really covering its collective ass in case someone does slips, falls, and dies. Then you can bet the victim's family will try to sue the MTA for several million[s] $ for negligence. Then everyone [paying riders] will feel the impact on the lawsuit [if successful] in terms of higher costs.Fair or not, MTA is doing this so they won't be sued. So yes it sucks, but I doubt anyone wants to pay for a lawsuit based on someone's negligence. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 20 19:08:46 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:02:21 2008. If one is at the front of a car, there is no need to make a "mad dash" on the platform to reach the first door of the next car. In almost all cases, the doors stay open more than long enough for an able-bodied person to make that maneuver comfortably without risking injury. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jan 20 19:13:12 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 17:50:34 2008. Well lets see, Boston does 65mph on level track, Philly does 70mph on level track, San Fran does 80, and Chicago has done upwards of 60 with what amount to trolley cars. Even HBLRT puts the NYC subway to shame, they top 55mph on the sections down to Bayonne. Instead NYC is so damn worried about lawsuits and has so little faith in their operators that their trains are lucky to reach 50mph at the bottom of a cross-river tunnel. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:14:29 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 19:00:38 2008. Yes, I understand that. But I'm talking about the rule on its own merits. A few people here seem to believe that walking between cars is unsafe and that this rule is necessary for safety reasons. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:15:07 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 18:54:55 2008. That's not a fact, is it? And even if it is, what makes you think anyone else besides them would think like that? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 19:17:47 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:49:06 2008. Are there really statistics that support that statement? If there are I bet that they show that a large percentage of injuries that occur are fatal. That's something that has to go into the equation. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 19:19:33 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:14:29 2008. Well obviously if one holds onto the handle bars on the cars then it should be safe. I have crossed b/w cars in the past even when they were moving and always had no problems.But since the MTA is more or less a bureaucracy, sadly the MTA feels they have to enforce such a rule on everyone regardless of if the person can cross safely or not all. This is all so that they won't be sued by the one person out of maybe 50-100 that do cross safely. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:19:54 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 20 19:08:46 2008. But there's a chance they won't stay open. That's why you hurry. You don't take your time. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:21:24 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 20 19:13:12 2008. PATH does 60 MPHWMATA does 75 MPH (IINM) PATCO does 65 MPH |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:23:36 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 19:17:47 2008. I doubt the statistics help NYCT's case since they have never provided them, AFAIK, and when making the case for prohibiting walking between cars, they had to lie and show a video of 75' cars making a turn and saying how dangerous that was and that's why it needs to be banned. And as was stated, at least 5 of the 14 recent (pre-the new law) cases of between the cars 12-9's were due to people riding between cars, not just walking between cars. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 19:31:28 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 19:15:07 2008. There are other examples...such as the person in Suffolk who hit the gas pedal because he thought an unmarked car was a fake (but the car and officer were indeed real, and the person was subsequently arrested for eluding police). |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 19:32:13 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 18:50:47 2008. I can understand that but thats how i feel.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 19:34:27 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by WillD on Sun Jan 20 19:13:12 2008. Instead NYC is so damn worried about lawsuits and has so little faith in their operators that their trains are lucky to reach 50mph at the bottom of a cross-river tunnel.Thats why they say our rulebook is "written in blood".. Past "incidents" have made the system they way it is.. Now you got Rookie T/O's STIL doing dumb stuff even with the system "scaled back".. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 19:35:01 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 19:31:28 2008. And the Brazilian guy in London that was shot after being mistaken for a terrorist. Still Terrapin is correct. No one thinks this way but you. These are all examples of something that is rare yet for some reason you think happens frequently. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 19:36:30 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 19:00:38 2008. Or, the MTA can seek to undermine the lawsuit through various methods (such as delaying and seeing if the plaintiff will crack). |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 19:41:26 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 19:36:30 2008. The real solution is to amend the CPLR to impose a high bar to clear to for negligence actions (maybe gross negligence has to be shown) and also a cap on total damages, with a provision that lets the state ask for attorney's fees if the plaintiff didn't make out his prima facie case.Fat chance of that ever happening.... |
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