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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008 Scene: Northbound (J) train on a Saturday evening.Where: Krotchpeealso Street As we're leaving the station, I was standing outside my cab, and an otherwise nice lady approached me, looking to walk between cars. (She had just crossed into my car from the other end.) She first innocently asks me, "Sir, does this train stop at Broadway Junction?" "Yes ma'am, it does." "Oh, thank you!!" She then walks right up to me and almost tries to reach around me to get to the storm door. I just stare at her. She backs up, and says, "I can't cross through?" "No ma'am, it's against the law." "Oh! Thank you so much." She smiles and stands next to the doors, so she can use the platform at Gates Avenue to get to the next car. Sure enough, she runs to the next car at Gates, and then proceeds to continue making her way between cars towards the front of the train. At Chauncey Street, two cops pull her off the train. Judging by the length of time the cops held me in the station in order to get her off the train, she must've put up quite a resistance. When they finally coaxed her off, and we were pulling out of the station, I could see she was not happy at all. One stop away...oh so close!! LOL Even if the cops decided to be nice and not ticket her, at the very least, she had to wait ten minutes for the next train. Live and learn, eh? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 20 08:26:59 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. Follow the rules you have no problem do what you want and you will get some drama most of the times. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 08:35:56 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. Were these uniform cops that pulled her off...or did she think the officers were impostors (but turned out to be real)...in other words, plainclothes? The resistance may have ended up leading to an arrest.Now, if she claimed she couldn't walk all the way to the stairs from the back of the train, the police could simply say that she should not be riding the subway, and have considered a bus instead. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 08:44:11 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 08:35:56 2008. Bullshit, if she can walk more than one street block, she can walk from platform end to end. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 10:53:00 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 08:35:56 2008. Were these uniform cops that pulled her off...or did she think the officers were impostors (but turned out to be real)...in other words, plainclothes? The resistance may have ended up leading to an arrest.Why do you always bring this up? NO ONE thinks like this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 10:53:09 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. nice story |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 11:01:59 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. Some people are satisfied with being told that the frying pan is hot. Others need to touch it themselves and find out first hand.No real harm done. NYPD did her a favor. I hope she learned a lesson. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:02:21 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. I am just waiting for the accident where someone gets out at a station and makes a running dash for the next car, trips and falls... you get the picture..... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:09:24 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 11:01:59 2008. Part of the problem with this law is that it tries to change a behavior that was allowed for virtually the entire 100+ year existence of the subway system. Old habits die hard.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 20 11:27:43 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:02:21 2008. Unless you're riding the #1 to South Ferry in the next year or so, there's no need for anyone to move from whatever car they boarded the train on, unless you're trying to get away from potential muggers, loud drunks, smelly homeless people or a hot car in the summertime. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 11:30:50 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 20 11:27:43 2008. There's one more station with shorter platforms too in addition to South Ferry. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:34:14 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 20 11:27:43 2008. What if the next car has empty seats? What if your car is hot? I just do the mad dash at every station now till I find one that is comfy... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 20 11:35:19 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 11:30:50 2008. I always forget about 145th/Lenox. My bad. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 11:36:15 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:09:24 2008. And of course the NYPD did not do her any favors, since as we know from that 100+ year history, walking between cars is perfectly safe. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 11:37:53 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:34:14 2008. Or you can just walk between cars after looking for any police. |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Sun Jan 20 11:55:39 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 08:35:56 2008. What? She could walk the length of the train while it was moving, but she'd have trouble walking the length of the platform? 8-D |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:18:54 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jan 20 08:35:56 2008. Strange "logic", very strange! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:20:51 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. I bet she told the cops "I didn't know!", as if not knowing is justification for breaking subway rules. I hope she got a well deserved summons. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:23:48 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 11:36:15 2008. ....except for the ones who fell to the roadbed while crossing in between cars injuring or killing themselves and causing the crew to piss in the bottle and dealing with all the other investigatory stuff. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:33:40 2008, in response to LOL Told ya so!, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jan 20 06:38:14 2008. I think the focus should be on real criminals and not innocent little women. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 12:38:56 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:33:40 2008. Duh, that's how criminals steal property.They snatch a purse inside a train and jump out between cars as the doors close but before the train moves. Or they scan from car to car, looking for the perfect target. Or, this is a good deterrent to a possible 12-9. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 12:39:31 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 11:09:24 2008. That is true. But then, smoking is a habit 100s of years old, and while we're not going to eradicate it, there are now cities, states and countries (France, Turkey) that ban smoking in restaurants.So we make progress. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 12:41:55 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 12:38:56 2008. Agreed. Well put. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 12:47:03 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 12:38:56 2008. That said, I have not yet observed police issuing summonses to 'performing artists' who pass from car to car on a train; the de facto policy as I've observed it seems to be that those individuals as well as bums, panhandlers, and vagrants get a free pass. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:47:16 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:33:40 2008. They took her off for her own good, possibly preventing her from being the victim of a crime or injury at some other future time. And yes, they do indeed go after real criminals too. Many times they pick up criminals with outstanding warrants when they commit low level offenses. Remember the case of the Russian dentist being killed in front of his daughter in Forest Hills recently? The got the suspect in his killing over fingerprints taken during a fare evasion arrest. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:48:20 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 12:47:03 2008. It's only a matter of time. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 12:51:22 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:48:20 2008. I hope so. Regardless of their ability to pay the usual fine, the law is, well, the law. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:51:48 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:47:16 2008. I'm not going to lie. I often pass between cars. At Jamaica Center the main entrance leaves you at the back of the E train. However, in order to catch the 6 I need to be in the front. After making sure that there aren't cops around I pass through. Instead of creating a police state cops should be focused on muggers and people who litter. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 12:55:21 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 12:39:31 2008. So we make progress.Why does progress always have to mean more restrictions? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:00:16 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:47:16 2008. They took her off for her own good, possibly preventing her from...injury at some other future time.Bill, walking between cars in not dangerous. Should the police ticket people for crossing streets because it could prevent them from future injury? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:02:10 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 12:23:48 2008. Many/most of the people who have recently died from it were doing more than walking between cars. They were RIDING between cars. Big difference. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:02:37 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:51:48 2008. That is the typical reaction of a person who does something illegal, no matter how mundane the offense is. I'm sure there are kids who steal the perverbial apple from the fruit and vegetable display, don't get caught, then later in life go on for "bigger and better things" because they were never caught for the first offense. Let the cops summons the other guy for the other stuff. Yes, they should give out summons' for littering too, and the street cops should give out summons' for jay-walking also. Let me remind you there are plain clothes cops around waiting for you to move in between cars. Don't "cry" to us when it happens. It may not happen this month or this year, but guarantee if you keep it up, your odds of getting caught at a certain point will increase. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 13:02:37 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 12:51:22 2008. Agreed. It should be uniformly applied. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:03:11 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 12:38:56 2008. Or, this is a good deterrent to a possible 12-9.No it's not. Many/most of the 12-9's have been from people RIDING between cars, not walking between cars. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 13:06:56 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:51:48 2008. "However, in order to catch the 6 I need to be in the front."False statement. You can be anywhere on the train. In order to catch the 6 train you need only arrive at the proper station. If you arrive at 53rd/Lex at the rear of the train, you will merely need to walk the length of the platform to the proper escalator. Given the high frequency of 6 trains, youwill not suffer any terrible consequences. Alternatively, you can walk toward the front of the E train and then board, or you can take an earlier E train so you arrive at 53rd/Lex earlier. You have no "need" to pass through the cars; this is merely impulsive behavior. You can choose to exercise self-discipline and not do it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 13:09:23 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 12:55:21 2008. Because the restrictions are placed on behaviors that hurt other people in addition to yourself. The fact that they were allowed for years does not make them legitimate or ethical. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:10:35 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:00:16 2008. Walking in between cars is not dangerous, if they are holding on to the grab-irons in between cars. I've seen too many people who don't hold on or hold on to the safety chains (a no no) and sort of hop as they cross. These are the people being targeted, this is the reason why the rule was made, because in grade school one bad kid causes the whole class to be punished, in TA worker regulations a new rule, and in passengerresponsibility new rules for all. There is the potential for injury here. Because of the later, the law was made. Obviously you don't agree with this law. That's OK. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 13:10:43 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:51:48 2008. You are too lazy to walk down the platform at Lexington or use the part time entrance at Jamaica Center? Chances are, you will STILL have to wait for the 6 train anyway. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:17:25 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:02:10 2008. If they never were allowed to cross in between cars, then they would have never thought about riding in between cars at a later time. People have been killed riding in between cars, people have been killed crossing in between cars, If more people get killed riding in between cars, losing their balance and falling, than people crossing in between cars, then we should allow them to cross since less accidents occur? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 20 13:22:09 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Jan 20 12:51:48 2008. So walk down the platform at Jamaica Center or Lexington/53rd! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 13:27:04 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 13:06:56 2008. For once, I agree with you 100 percent. |
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Posted by Zman179 on Sun Jan 20 13:27:26 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:03:11 2008. Yes it is, Brian. I also do not necessarily agree with you on the latter because it is more dangerous, but not necessarily more stupid, to cross over to another moving car that to remain stationary on a single car. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 13:29:58 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:10:35 2008. I grew up in an era when the storm doors were left open for the entire length of the train - and/or articulated cars still roamed the rails. It is very hard to give up that freedom of motion.Another problem is that they say you can move in the event of a critical situation such as being harassed, etc. That exception is very subjective. I find indoor temperatures above 70 degrees to be physically intolerable so if a car's air conditioner is not functioning at peak capacity I need to find one that is. Other people can take the heat or for that matter even like it... At least in the pre-a/c days I could open the windows wide open and stand next to an open storm door and let the wind blow in my face as the train ran... Even better were the railfan windows that had a sash that opened :-D |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:31:28 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jan 20 13:27:04 2008. I think hell just froze over, you agreeing with Ron about an issue! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 13:34:26 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:03:11 2008. Either crossing or riding can be hazardous behavior. They have to make blanket rules to have real enforcement. As always with these safety rules, if police are overzealous, then it will negatively impact on them and possibly even result in the regulation being stricken by a court either as applied or prima facie, e.g., if police issued summonses without regard to whether or not a passenger crossed between cars in order to get away from dangerous/unpleasant conditions then they obviously could not be trusted with the discretion vested in them. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:36:14 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 13:29:58 2008. I am in my mid 50's so I remember the old cars with the storm doors open and being able to cross between cars. If a cop is on a train patrolling and sees a whole bunch of geese crossing cars one after another to get away from a negative situation, he's not going to be that stupid to round everybody up an start giving out summons'. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 13:40:33 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 20 13:36:14 2008. The problem is that it is still subjective - some people are more tolerant of negative situations than others. I tend to be very intolerant when it comes to temperature - other people just stay in hot cars.... |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 13:41:58 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 13:00:16 2008. Should the police ticket people for crossing streets because it could prevent them from future injury?They should definitely ticket someone when they see them doing something dangerous. Jaywalking is illegal, but given that NYC cops don't write very many jaywalking tickets they obviously have a lot of discretion. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Jan 20 13:52:38 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 20 11:27:43 2008. And in those scenarios, police should recognize walking between the cars to get away as an emergency and therefore not ticket. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Jan 20 14:15:59 2008, in response to Re: LOL Told ya so!, posted by Easy on Sun Jan 20 13:41:58 2008. That's because most everybody in NYC jaywalks. Do you think that one cop is going to stop about 15-20 people and hand out tickets for it? |
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