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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:09:21 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 20:50:23 2008. You really have no clue as to how the subway functions, do you? That's OK, though...this is Subchat. That's why MTA hires professionals and not foamers to work there.Calm down there, you were actually doing really good when it came to the personal attacks in this thread until now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 00:09:55 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:02:35 2008. if someone asked them |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 00:11:01 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:09:21 2008. If you want to do something about him, then don't reply to any of his posts. If everyone stopped replying to his posts, he would go away or change his ways, as he would finally realize that his actions here are inappropriate and unappreciated.By making the post you just made, it only made him happier, and will encourage him to make more such posts. |
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Posted by trains61 on Sun Jan 20 00:18:04 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 00:09:17 2008. Yeah, I got sucked in and he orignally responded to one of my post. I felt compelled to respond. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:48:49 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 00:11:01 2008. I see, don't worry I will. Thanks for letting me know. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:49:59 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 00:09:55 2008. And risk lost business from North Brooklyn riders? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 01:20:09 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:09:21 2008. Yawn....foamers should accept their foaminess. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 01:59:11 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 00:49:59 2008. huh? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 02:13:06 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 16 20:44:28 2008. "Parts of his body was on the platform i hear that he was hit so hard.."Due to the different train type on the crosstown line or due to the t/o being unfamiliar w/the line? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 02:14:48 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Jan 16 20:30:16 2008. That's proof, all right... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 02:15:12 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 16 19:09:37 2008. Either that or they should have the G stop near the stairwells [marked by tape on the platforms of where the G train would stop at] so ppl wouldn't have to run for the G when it shows up as they would know exactly what part of the platform to wait at. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 02:19:56 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trains61 on Sun Jan 20 00:03:40 2008. "I`m just setting the record straight and contributing opinions to a Msg. Board"The second part of your statement is true. The first is not. But it could be true in the future. You are more than welcome to contribute any opinion you like to the board. The reaction you get to any given opinion is not guaranteed to be what you want, though. That's true for all of us. I can hope you take your air dispatching job, if in fact you have one as seriously as the TA takes its train dispatching job. You haven't said anything remotely credible about train dispatching so far. But hope springs eternal. :0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 02:20:36 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 16 19:09:37 2008. Good for you! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 02:21:53 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trains61 on Sun Jan 20 00:18:04 2008. I don't take offense from your responses. Fire away anytime. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 20 02:42:21 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 20 01:59:11 2008. Eh, forget it... |
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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 02:55:30 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 16 19:35:06 2008. All very good points. Had the IND not been merely creating parallel lines to compete w/existing lines, much more could've been done especially to branch out in areas that are either underserved or have no alternatives other than the bus/car. But in the end for Midtown I can't vision only the BMT/IRT alone handling all the riders w/out the 6th and 8th Av lines. So on that count the IND is very good there.I wished the IND had build a 2nd crosstown line down via Woodhaven Blvd as that would greatly help interborough travel and reduce the need from using just buses or going to Broadway Junction or Sutphin to transfer back from Queens to Brooklyn [etc]. Although some are opposed to the Concourse line just tied to the SAS. Suppose costs for the 3rd Av segment becomes too costly then maybe such a connection should be made as then you would have an SAS line that is nearly parallel to the 4 and could ease the strain on the 4 line. Although the 6th Av express is a seperate segment [express-Bronx vs local-Queens] of the entire 6th Av line, surely that could've been built after they built the UES segment of the SAS 1st and just run the B/D/F trains all via the local tracks. IMO. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:06:11 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 20:43:34 2008. Well hopefully even fantasies would come true if the MTA ever sees the idea of SAS taking over the Centre-Nassau line from either Bowery or Chambers all the way down to Brooklyn.It would accomplish a few goals, such as: - An SAS line parallel to the 4/5 lines from at least 125th to Atlantic-Pacific [hopefully reducing the crowding and making the Montague tunnel well used]. - An SAS line w/a connection to Brooklyn - Saving countless $ billions on not having to build a new tunnel into Brooklyn and perhaps less of a need to build the Water St segment [should the funds dry up] [Don't get me wrong, such a line would be useful down there, but they could just take the Nassau line if it is used by the SAS since the current lines [J/M/Z are underused there] - Finally [similar to point 1], the SAS would be more desirable than the J/M/Z in the SAS would take ppl north towards Midtown and the UES over just the Broadway El to Brooklyn/Queens. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:42:18 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 16 17:20:10 2008. Exactly, the MTA should've made that a OOS transfer [afterall 63rd to 59th is a 4 block transfer - why not add another for 2 stations that are just 1 block apart?] |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:44:32 2008, in response to Re: M/V combo on weekends, posted by R160 8818 on Thu Jan 17 16:23:00 2008. Agreed. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:48:20 2008, in response to Re: M/V combo on weekends, posted by Eric B on Thu Jan 17 18:35:28 2008. Exactly, the nassau segment probably won't miss the M line as it is usually empty around there plus the J alone can handle that segment.A V-M running shorter length trains would free up extra cars to such lines like the G to return back to 6-car lengths. Plus the V can spare the cars as it is not filled to capacity anyway. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:48:52 2008, in response to Re: M/V combo on weekends, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 18 08:02:00 2008. exactly. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:49:25 2008, in response to Re: M/V combo on weekends, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 18 08:02:00 2008. exactly. it was perfectly fine when they ran the MOD trains thru them a few years ago. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 04:10:39 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 06:09:21 2008. Totally agreed. Plus from one of the data reports on station usage:346. Lorimer St (J,M) 876,627 368. Hewes St (J.M) 725,563 Not to mention how many of these riders could also be using the G as well: 335. Broadway (G) 955,062 Merging both into one stop would've given the new station almost similar totals to say Marcy Av: 229. Marcy Ave (J,M,Z) 1,667,630 A direct transfer to the G would've been very useful as well and it was short sightedness of the MTA to overlook such an opportunity to connect the Broadway el to the G [might've also helped out the L as the J/M could've also had a direct 'in system' transfer to the G]. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 04:12:09 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 17 12:18:23 2008. I agree, at the very least there should be an Out of System transfer b/w those stations. Riders should not have to pay extra to transfer from the G to J/M/Z lines. |
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Re: Design your own line/SAS via Nassau/125th Streets |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 05:50:51 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:06:11 2008. This is something I agree wholeheartedly on, and have said so numerous times:As noted, it would accomplish a few goals, including: 1. An SAS line parallel to the 4/5 lines from at least 125th to Atlantic-Pacific [hopefully reducing the crowding and making the Montague tunnel well used]. Probably the most important part. Regardless of whether the Water Street line gets built or not, this branch of the SAS would do wonders for lower Manhattan aside from the biggest asset in having a branch of the SAS to lower Manhattan much earlier than the Water Street branch will be ready. 2. An SAS line w/a connection to Brooklyn. Again, taking pressure off the 4/5, and also the R train, especially since such a line would likely be a full-time replacement for the M train in downtown and 4th Avenue Brooklyn as by the time the SAS could be connected to the Nassau Street Line, the M and V could very well be combined into a single line up 6th avenue. 3. Saving countless $ billions on not having to build a new tunnel into Brooklyn and perhaps less of a need to build the Water St segment [should the funds dry up] [Don't get me wrong, such a line would be useful down there, but they could just take the Nassau line if it is used by the SAS since the current lines [J/M/Z are underused there] No kidding, and again, by then, the MTA could very well see the light and have the M/V be a single line. That would make an SAS line to Brooklyn without a new tunnel even more important. Saying that, the Water Street Phase 4 should still be done, with as noted in other threads before a new tunnel to Brooklyn that can connect to the Fulton Street line via the current Transit Museum (turning Court Street back into a regular subway station). 4. Finally [similar to point 1], the SAS would be more desirable than the J/M/Z in the SAS would take ppl north towards Midtown and the UES over just the Broadway El to Brooklyn/Queens. Absolutely, and again, by the time Phase 3 of the SAS is built, the M train might no longer be going to lower Manhattan anyway, but instead combined with the V and going up 6th avenue, so that would if so make an SAS train on Nassau even more important. On top of all of that, the Nassau Street line connection to the SAS would also allow the Q train to be able to go via 2nd avenue and the Montauge tunnel if necessary due to a G.O. or the Broadway Line being jacked up. Like with a connection to the Nassau Street Line, I would look at making the run on 125th street a full-fledged crosstown with additional stops after Lexington Avenue at Lenox Avenue (2/3 transfer), 8th/St. Nicholas Avenue (A/B/C/D) and Broadway (1) before terminating near the Hudson River at Riverside Drive. In addition, I would have a connection to the 8th avenue line at 8th/St. Nicholas Avenue to potentially have an SAS line go via that to either 168th or 207th in Manhattan or to the Concourse Line in The Bronx. Such an extension could be very important with the severe expansion of Columbia University that is coming over the next decade. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 05:53:37 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 16 17:20:10 2008. And also:What about an OOS transfer between the Broadway G station and the J/M/Z station closest to it? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 05:55:03 2008, in response to Re: M/V combo on weekends, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 03:44:32 2008. Of course:The M is the logical line to combine with the V for reasons well documented previously. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 09:48:34 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 05:53:37 2008. That's a cool idea. How difficult (or easy) would that be to accomplish? |
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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 10:10:50 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 19 16:50:03 2008. I hope you stayed long enough to have some steak and BBQ. They are first-class. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 10:11:40 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 20:31:18 2008. OK, I'll agree with that. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Sun Jan 20 11:15:01 2008, in response to Re: M/V combo on weekends, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 05:55:03 2008. Which was thoroughly documented previously. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 20 11:33:11 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 02:15:12 2008. It depends on the station though. They usually have the markers set up to allow for it to stop at a good location. However, some stations you will always have a problem, especially stations that are shared (like with the F), or stations that have multiple stairways. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 20 11:52:12 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 02:55:30 2008. So on that count the IND is very good there.Oh absolutely, removal of the els in Manhattan was almost a necessity, and of course, the subways had to be built there for it to be the city it is today. Hands down. The only "mistake" they did was removing the 3rd Ave el before the 2nd Ave subway was built. The 3rd Ave el was removed on the promise of the 2nd Ave subway. If it would have been required to have the 2nd Ave built in order to get rid of the 3rd Ave el, I guarantee we would have had a 2nd Ave subway running already. The push would have been so great to get rid of that el, that somehow they would have gotten the money, as it would have been on the front burner politically. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 11:57:13 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 20 11:52:12 2008. Absolutely, agreed.NEVER believe the politicians! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 12:44:26 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 11:57:13 2008. Politicias must b constantly hammered. |
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Re: H Train idea |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 13:44:14 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 20:36:12 2008. Thank you. You summarized the history of the would-have-been historic (HH) very well. My (H) train idea wouldn't be deviating much from traditional IND nomenclature. It's also the next letter after G. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 13:46:42 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by Hoghead on Sat Jan 19 18:53:47 2008. I was always of the idea of renaming the Times Square (S), the (W) train and the (V) into 0(zero), (P) and (K) respectively. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 13:48:47 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 10:10:50 2008. New York's got better steak. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 14:27:09 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 13:48:47 2008. Where have you had steak in Kansas City? Have you been to Hereford House? Plaza III? |
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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 14:30:31 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 14:27:09 2008. I don't remember the name of the place. It was near 1-70. We were driving to Fort Riley. |
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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 14:34:27 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 14:30:31 2008. So you weren't down on the Plaza.If you're ever in the area again, splirge and eat at Plaza III. It isn't a steak dinner; it's an appointment with the cow. Oh, and have lunch at Arthur Bryant's (BBQ). |
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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 14:34:54 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 14:34:27 2008. Splurge, not splirge. My bad typing. |
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Re: H Train idea |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 15:30:34 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 13:44:14 2008. And *MY* idea for the (H) train follows out of my Myrtle-Fifth Avenue Subway The Myrtle-Fifth would use the new Orange Street Tunnel, while the (H) would use the Pineapple Street Tunnel. The (H) would connect with the IND Fulton line between Court Street (which would remain as the Museum) and Hoyt-Schermerhorn.) The (H) would then OWN the local tracks, and no IND trains would run on them again. I'd spike the switches. The (H) would be local to Euclid. The (A) would be express to the Rockaways, alternating between Far Rock and Rock Park. The (C) (or whatever we might use in those days) would run to Lefferts (actually through to the new Hillside station.)In Manhattan the (H) would run on 9th Avenue to 125th Street. My new routes of course, cannot be integrated with the existing subway system because of its automated operation and its use of linear induction technology. ROAR |
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Re: H Train idea |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 15:33:30 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 15:30:34 2008. The Myrtle-Fifth would use the new Orange Street Tunnel, while the (H) would use the Pineapple Street Tunnel.And if you ever combine them you could call it the Orange Pineapple Line... |
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Re: H Train idea |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 15:42:18 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 20 15:33:30 2008. Right. These are just south of the Cranberry Tunnel, of course.ROAR |
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Re: H Train idea |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jan 20 16:22:44 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 15:42:18 2008. Just add vodka and mix well. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Jan 20 16:27:48 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jan 20 16:22:44 2008. So tempting to rename a two-block section of Hicks St... |
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Re: 3rd Avenue El |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 16:55:20 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 20 11:52:12 2008. That is all true, however:We were dealing with completely different attitudes when the 3rd avenue El was torn down in 1955 in Manhattan, and even to some degree in 1973-'74 when the Bronx portion was torn down. If anything, given enviormental concerns as well as traffic congestion in Manhattan that is only going to get worse even if congestion pricing takes effect over the next 30 years or so, I would now be exploring ways to build a new, four-track, mostly two-level Third Avenue El that would be built to BMT/IND standards with locals on the lower level and express trains on the upper level (and would be built in addition to the SAS). This El I would do similar to the SAS as far as having stations that are three blocks long (possibly allowing in fact for 12 car trains instead of the customary 10), with express trains actually starting in perhaps a lower level of the SAS station at Hanover Square or even the new South Ferry 1 station and locals after the express El trains leave the SAS tunnel, which I would likely have around Chatam Square or so, with perhaps Canal Street/The Bowery the start point for local trains on this new 3rd Avenue El. The rest of the stops I would have something like this: Houston Street/Bowery (Local, transfer to the current J/M/Z tains via MetroCard or in system depending on distance, north exit at Houston) St. Marks Place (Local, MetroCard transfer to the 6/R/W, north exit at St. Marks Place) 14th Street (Express stop, direct transfer to the L/SAS, MetroCard transfer to the 4/5/6/L/N/R/W at Union Square via north exit at 14th street, with also a south exit at 12th street) 23rd Street (Local, exits at 20th and 23rd) 34th Street (Local, exits at 31st and 34th) 42nd Street (Express, transfer via north exit at 42nd to the 4/5/6/7/S/SAS, also a south exit at 39th street) 53rd Street (Express, transfer via north exit at 53rd street to the 6/E/V/SAS, also a south exit at 50th street) 60th-63rd Street (Express, transfer via south exit at 60th street to the 4/5/6/N/R/W, transfer via north exit at 63rd street to the F/Q) 72nd Street (Local, south exit at 69th street for Hunter College, north exit at 72nd street) 86th street (Local, south exit at 83rd street, north exit at 86th street, MetroCard tranfers to the 4/5/6/SAS) 96th Street (Local, exits at 93rd and 96th streets) 106th Street (Local, exits at 103rd and 106th streets) 116th Street (Local, exits at 113th and 116th streets) 125th Street (Express, south exit at 122nd street, north exit at 125th street with a MetroCard transfer to the 4/5/6/SAS). From there, the 3rd Avenue El would continue to the Bronx, joined by a Bronx branch of the SAS to run the old route of the Bronx part of the 3rd avenue El. Of course, there would be a TON of opposition to it, but given the enviormental concerns caused by automobiles in particular, if you can educate people into the long-term benefits of such a line, I think in a few years there actually would be a chance of getting this through, especially given the population in New York is likely going to continue to expand over the next 20 years or so to mind-boggling levels that might make such an additional line necessary anyway. |
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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 20 16:55:23 2008, in response to Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 20 14:34:54 2008. Thank you. I'll take note of these places if i'm ever in the KC area again. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jan 20 17:12:52 2008, in response to Re: 3rd Avenue El, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 20 16:55:20 2008. Fascinating, but there is no way that very wealthy and politically connected populations are going to tolerate living next to an elevated line. No way.The only possibility for els will remain on short stretches ducking underground quite fast, or through parkland or over roadways. Don't expect to do that through the east side of Manhattan Island unless you want to, say, build it over the FDR Drive, which has huge costs of its own. If you want a wild idea, expand Manhattan by adding on to its landmass and then run cut-and-cover subway on that new land. |
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