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Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jan 18 17:00:31 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 18 07:55:53 2008. You're right: What I don't understand is that there are all of these superfluous track connections that haven't been used in 50 years yet the one track connection that makes sense doesn't exist. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 18 18:32:53 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 17 09:02:17 2008. The MTA probably just doesn't want to do it, or doesn't have the money for it. I'm leaning towards the former as longer trains mean no more OPTO and more Conductors to pay unless major fleet shuffles are done like on the (M). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 19:02:30 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 18 15:02:57 2008. I see. Thank you for clarifying that. I missed your main point, but now I understand what you were trying to say. |
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Posted by trains61 on Fri Jan 18 20:10:37 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 13:31:31 2008. Thank you for at least acknowledging the plight of the G train riders and the inferior service they have put up with for years.Lots of folks (not all) that have responded to this thread don`t ride the line or rarely utilize it yet make stock analysis as to the ridership numbers and where the ridership is going. (There were and are plenty of Mets fans along the G line that patronized Shea Stadium via the (G).) My arguements are not that strong because I no longer live in N.Y. Hey Ron, am I a tourist if I go visit the `ol neighborhood...;-) My compliments to Osmosis Jones, who single-handedly took on the the entire forum by himself to defend the G line and its` ridership. I was right with you but could not respond from my office computer. I think most people would agree that the needs of the many outweigh those of the few. But in the evenings the majority of folks are going to the city from the G line. There are not wall to wall people along Q.B. waiting for a V train to the city in the evening. Queens Plaza service during the evening would make for a much more convient tranfer for G train riders heading to the city. Just my two cents. Food for thought: How is it that freight railroads are able to route mile long trains along large sections of single trackage with limited passing siding (approx. 45-56 trains daily) but the MTA can`t get Continental Ave. to accept R,G and V terminations with a 4 track siding? Answer is....THEY DIDN`T WANT TO MAKE IT WORK. That`s why G rider feel so put upon. I know, I know, that would require extra crews and switch people etc. etc. etc. Funny how the MTA spares no expense for a non-functional RCC(according to what I have read on these forums) CBTC that is still glitchy, the Fulton-Nassau egg and we can on and on, but when it comes to providing a better service for paxs they claim poverty. How about getting rid of some pork at the top and obtaining more operating personnel? That`s my rant, now back to lurking..... |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Jan 18 20:17:11 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jan 18 13:28:29 2008. The dispatchers office on the n/b platform has a bathroom. In the '80s GG crews had a small crew room on the mezzanine at QP. The current platform controllers quarters would be more than adequate for a crew facility for G crews. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 20:50:23 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trains61 on Fri Jan 18 20:10:37 2008. "There are not wall to wall people along Q.B. waiting for a V train to the city in the evening."Wrong on Friday and Saturday.... "Food for thought: How is it that freight railroads are able to route mile long trains along large sections of single trackage with limited passing siding (approx. 45-56 trains daily)" Because 60 trains a day is still not more than a train every 24 minutes or so (how many tunnels in the subway see that?) those trains have some leeway as to when they need to be at their destinations, and the freight roads can and do jam up Amtrak trains which do need to keep to a schedule (Amtrak has lost ridership between St. Louis and Kansas City because of it). You really have no clue as to how the subway functions, do you? That's OK, though...this is Subchat. That's why MTA hires professionals and not foamers to work there. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 21:29:24 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trains61 on Fri Jan 18 20:10:37 2008. Too many residents of New York City equate the "city" to be Manhattan, so they use statements such as, "I'm going into the city". In fact it is the five boroughs that is the whole city of New York.What you meant is that probably during the evenings many Queens Blvd riders are not traveling to or from Manhattan, but to or from various destinations in Queens and Brooklyn. That is a statement I really do not have a problem with. It's a pet peeve of mine when folks treat Manhattan as if it were the "city" which means that they kind of devalue the place where they live. If Manhattan is the "city" when what do they call the place where they actually live? Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island are not suburbs by any definition. Mike |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 21:30:34 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 21:29:24 2008. People outside subway territory do that a lot. Hang around Glen Oaks and you hear a lot of "Are you going into the city tonight?" |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 18 21:59:02 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 21:30:34 2008. Even within "subway territory". In Astoria we still refer to Manhattan as "the City" as in "I am going to the city after work for dinner tonight".. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 18 23:35:51 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 21:29:24 2008. It's a pet peeve of mine when folks treat Manhattan as if it were the "city" which means that they kind of devalue the place where they live. If Manhattan is the "city" when what do they call the place where they actually live? Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island are not suburbs by any definition.Oh please. 90% of Queens and Brooklyn residents do that. I lived in Brooklyn or Queens (until about 10 years ago) for 20 something years, and we always said "I'm going to the city" while I lived in either Brooklyn or Queens when meaning going "to Manhattan". No one EVER said, I am "going to Manhattan", just about everyone said "I am going to the city" when they would go there. It's funny though, because now that I live in Suffolk county, my "talk" changed, as now, if I go to Brooklyn or Queens, I say, "I'm going to the city". I sometimes say, "I am going to Brooklyn", but I never ever say, "I'm going to Queens". If however I am going specifically to Manhattan, I will say, "I'm going to Manhattan", which was NEVER in my vocabulary for the first 20-something years of my life, I ALWAYS said I am going to "the city" when meaning Manhattan when I lived in Brooklyn and Queens. That's a silly pet peeve you have, as I think most Queens and Brooklyn people say "to the city" to mean Manhattan, and rarely will say, "I'm going to Manhattan", at least in my experience. It's the same thing they do (and I too when I lived there), saying "I'm going to Long Island" to mean Nassau and Suffolk. Well duh, Brooklyn and Queens IS ON Long Island. But that's the way it is..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 18 23:39:33 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by jabrams on Fri Jan 18 16:36:07 2008. True....but the "not vica versa" would be a problem. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 18 23:43:02 2008, in response to Re: G Train % of Queens ridership drops, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 18 09:41:24 2008. Someone stole his password! He actually made lots of sense in this thread! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 18 23:50:48 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 21:29:24 2008. It's a pet peeve of mine when folks treat Manhattan as if it were the "city" which means that they kind of devalue the place where they live. If Manhattan is the "city" when what do they call the place where they actually live? Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island are not suburbs by any definition.If anyone asks where I live I proudly say ASTORIA. I rarely say "New York City" and NEVER say "Queens". I am an Astorian and PROUD of it!!! And yes - life here is very different from Manhattan - I have a back yard and a private garage and there is no bus service after 1 am... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 00:13:32 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trains61 on Fri Jan 18 20:10:37 2008. My compliments to Osmosis Jones, who single-handedly took on the the entire forum by himself to defend the G line and its` ridership. I was right with you but could not respond from my office computer.Thanks a LOT trains61. I think it's about time some people had the "cohones" to step up to all of these people, and I thought I might as well be one of them being a daily (G) rider that actually does that 3-way transfer. If I kept my mouth shut while watching all of these people dog out the (G), I would feel very guilty. the MTA can`t get Continental Ave. to accept R,G and V terminations with a 4 track siding? Answer is....THEY DIDN`T WANT TO MAKE IT WORK. That`s why G rider feel so put upon. Here's something I find interesting: Currently, (G), (R), and (V) trains to operate together during weekday evenings with service on each operating about every 10 minutes (of course the (V) operates the most frequent out of the 3 at that time), one day I'm going to observe the line and look for these "back ups". |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 00:22:51 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 13:44:18 2008. I'm still not convinced that the (G) can't run on Queens Boulevard during the weekends even with improved (R) service, even more for the Late Nights. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 19 00:30:20 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 18 05:54:13 2008. It would work even better if they one day connect the SAS (T) to the Nassau/Montague St line. After the (R/M) Court St station a connection could be built to the outside Hoyt-Shermerhorn tracks. The (T) could then go to Euclid Av while the (C) could go up the Crosstown via the aforementioned new switches. That would take care of any capacity issues in the Cranberry tunnels that would arise from running a (A/C/H). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 00:53:29 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 00:13:32 2008. I'm a DAILY G TRAIN rider...and I can PERSONALLY SAY that the service sucks.Lets face it..service beyond Court Square is RARE these days..and as much as I would love to see the line continue to Forest Hills..the MTA thinks otherwise..and truth be told..they DON'T WANT TO RUN IT. Another fact is the ONLY reason they are extending the other end is due to the MASSIVE GO that is scheduled to take place... If they had a CHOICE..they wouldn't..PLAIN an simple. We've complained for YEARS about the G LINE ending at Smith 9th st..and they didn't listen then...so THIS service change is a matter of convienence for THEM..NOT the riders. Short trains suck ass..they CAN..as of THIS VERY MOMENT..operate LONGER EQUIPMENT along the G..but REFUSE..no matter how much we complain... The FACT is..they know that they have riders that DEPEND on the service in a strangle hold.. It's a damned if you do..damned if you don't situation...if you BOY COT the service..they will cry that low ridership will cause them to reduce service even more[wasn't we suppose to get BETTER SERVICE with the introduction of the V line between C/S and Smith?].. That never happened...so Don't believe for a minute things are going to get better unless we FIGHT FOR IT... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 00:58:40 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 21:29:24 2008. You are too uptight..My use of the term endears ME to my point of origin...since I have NO GREAT LOVE for Manhattan. To ME..Brooklyn SHOULD be its own city...it's large enough..has a large enough population...doesn't depend on MANHATTAN for much.. Brooklyn is MY CITY..to blazes with Manhattan. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat Jan 19 00:59:55 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 17 12:18:23 2008. Jay St is supposed to be connected to Lawrence St, not the Court St-Boro Hall Sta..... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:12:42 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 18 21:59:02 2008. I didn't know that. I wouldn't blame the Astorians* for feeling slighted.*Are the Astorians related to Andoreans? 8-) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 19 01:13:43 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 18 23:50:48 2008. REPRESENT!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 01:19:10 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 17 12:18:23 2008. The MTA cares very little for North Brooklyn..Look how long they allowed the Eastern Division to languish in HELL..for YEARS..with the absolute WORST of everything... The openly declared that they will NOT offer a J/M/Z/G Metero card transfer..nor any other kind of transfer...Nor any kind of Broadway Bklyn-6th avenue service..EVEN THOUGH it is a desire of THE TAXPAYERS THAT SUSTAIN THE SYSTEM REVENUE. What is THAT telling YOU? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:24:37 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 00:13:32 2008. "Thanks a LOT trains61. I think it's about time some people had the "cohones" to step up to all of these people, and I thought I might as well be one of them being a daily (G) rider that actually does that 3-way transfer. If I kept my mouth shut while watching all of these people dog out the (G), I would feel very guilty."No one has said you should keep your mouth shut, especially to elected officials. To the contrary: If you don't speak up, then not only do you not get service patterns you want; you don't get concessions in return for service patterns that don't please you. You always should speak up and be counted. The current service pattern happened because both Queens Blvd riders and G riders communicated what they wanted. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:25:32 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 13:44:18 2008. And that's why the G no longer goes to Queens Plaza. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:28:04 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 01:19:10 2008. "Look how long they allowed the Eastern Division to languish in HELL..for YEARS..with the absolute WORST of everything..."In the late 1970s and early 1980s, a lot of places got the worst of everything. The only line that didn't suck rotten eggs was the JFK Express. The Eastern Division has come aways since then. The Archer Av project, CBTC project on the L line, new cars, renovated stations. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:29:28 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 00:53:29 2008. "We've complained for YEARS about the G LINE ending at Smith 9th st..and they didn't listen then..."But they are listening now - hence the Brooklyn extension. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:33:27 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:29:28 2008. I use to commute on that end of the line, and trust me, the Queens Plaza station is way more important than the 4th Avenue station to (G) riders. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:42:39 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:33:27 2008. "the Queens Plaza station is way more important than the 4th Avenue station to (G) riders."False. What you are actually saying, though, is that more G riders are headed for Queens Boulevard stations than the BMT Brooklyn stations. There I will take your word for it. To Brooklyn-bound G riders, 4th Av is obviously important. Fortunately, unlike Quens Plaza, the TA is able to accommodate that service pattern and has said it will do so. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:46:31 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:24:37 2008. I know that nobody is telling anybody to not talk, I'm just saying that people are not talking for whatever reasons (probably don't want to ruin their "reputation" amongst fellow board members). I did write to the MTA, but to be honest I did not even think of writing to my local politician, I might try that in the future although few people in my neighborhood use the (G).I cannot grasp onto the "catch" of this "increased" service, and how exactly that will help the situation but something seems very wrong with that part of the changes. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:49:07 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:46:31 2008. "I know that nobody is telling anybody to not talk, I'm just saying that people are not talking for whatever reasons (probably don't want to ruin their "reputation" amongst fellow board members). I did write to the MTA, but to be honest I did not even think of writing to my local politician, I might try that in the future although few people in my neighborhood use the (G)."That's great. Good for you. Hey, elected officials work for us! You have to tell them what you want. You might not always get it, but you have to try. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:49:46 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 17 12:18:23 2008. Also, extending the G to Church Ave is more important than extending to Forest Hills.Yes, that may be true, but with the way ridership patterns on the line are, I think that more riders desire the Queens Plaza transfer over the 4th Avenue transfer. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:51:57 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:42:39 2008. What you are actually saying, though, is that more G riders are headed for Queens Boulevard stations than the BMT Brooklyn stations. There I will take your word for it.Oops, that is what I meant, south of Hoyt-Schermerhorn street few people stay on. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:53:01 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:51:57 2008. OK, fine. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 02:04:20 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 00:53:29 2008. Lets face it..service beyond Court Square is RARE these days..and as much as I would love to see the line continue to Forest Hills..the MTA thinks otherwise..and truth be told..they DON'T WANT TO RUN IT.That's the hard part I'm understanding, unless there are financial problems I cannot see as to why the MTA thinks it's appropriate to do this unless they're actually improving (R) service this time around. We've complained for YEARS about the G LINE ending at Smith 9th st..and they didn't listen then...so THIS service change is a matter of convienence for THEM..NOT the riders. That's a good point that I didn't notice before, oh well for a moment there I thought that the MTA was starting to care a bit more for us (G) riders. Short trains suck ass..they CAN..as of THIS VERY MOMENT..operate LONGER EQUIPMENT along the G..but REFUSE..no matter how much we complain... But even the Rockaway Park Shuttle gets a full train during the summer, I don't think that shuttle even deserves 4 cars (more like 2). That never happened...so Don't believe for a minute things are going to get better unless we FIGHT FOR IT... Too bad most (G) train riders nowadays are hipsters that prefer to take everything "nice & easy"... *smh* |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 02:24:40 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:49:46 2008. If the 63rd St line as originally envisioned, a separate line into Queens with perhaps a local connection into the Queens Blvd line (which could have been for non-revenue or emergency moves), then the G would still be going to Forest Hills today full-time.But that didn't happen. In 1992, Parsons and the TA developed some alternatives: the $645 million connector that WAS built, and a $900 million line that would go southeast and be plugged into the Archer Av line (lower level, I think). There were some NIMBY problems with that as well as budget issues (unless people were overwhelmingly demanding it, enough to tell the NIMBYs to STFU, the TA was not going to throw in an extra $300 million that they might or might not be able to get their hands on). I think today attitudes in Queens have changed enough so a new line in the area would not see as much NIMBY. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 02:57:23 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 19 01:46:31 2008. And Where is Your neighborhood..IF its along the G line? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 03:15:06 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 02:24:40 2008. Yes..Enough TV coverage spoke of this very fact..Queens residents are crying about lack of rail service..combating "congestion pricing"... Meanwhile the MTA's looking into solving the problem in its 2030 Future program... Lets see.. What can be done TODAY..is at least START the Queens BYPASS line..by building the tunnels connection under the Sunnyside Yards..AND the row which it will operate on... Or scope out unused lines..and build LRT ROUTES.. in Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx and Staten Island..build tunnel where you need them most to move the LRTS..create new rows along city streets if possible for LRTS.. You do what you can to create service venues. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 19 03:32:24 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jan 18 04:11:12 2008. Yes. That shouldn't be changing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 06:09:21 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Jan 17 12:18:23 2008. The next step the MTA needs to take to fix the G is installing SOME kind of transfer between Brodaway G and Lorimer St J/M. These stations are almost right on top of each other, and there are even street signs pointing you between the two stations, yet you can only do that transfer with an unlimited cardTruthfully, what should have been done is that before the Hewes and Lorimer stations were renovated on the M/J, they should have instead built a brand new station over at Union/Broadway, which is directly on top of the G. All the money spent on those renovations of Lorimer and Hewes could have been put towards this new station. When completed, they could have abandoned the Hewes and Lorimer stations, and removed them. A side platform station would be easy to add to the el without a major problem with keeping traffic running. Hewes is awfully close to Marcy, and properly placed stairways from Union-Broadway could have replaced them pretty well. This would have allowed a prety easy in system transfer between the G and the M/J there. It would have made one complex, instead of three seperate stations, thus allowing the removal of two fare control areas, and thus saving by instead of having three station agents, the new complex only needed one. In addition, there would only be one elevated station to maintain as opposed to two, thus saving money in the long run. Both of those stations were in such bad shape before the renovation that it wouldn't have been a big deal, they spent a lot of money renovating them. But of course now it's water under the bridge that they spent all that money renovating those two stations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 06:13:11 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 18 23:50:48 2008. I always said I was from "Ridgewood" when I lived there. I NEVER EVER said "Queens", and I rarely if ever said "I live in NYC". And yes, I and most people I knew always said, "I am going to the city" when talking about Manhattan. I don't know what's wrong with that. Most outer borough neighborhoods have nothing to do with Manhattan, and look NOTHING like Manhattan, nor are anything like Manhattan, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "I am going to the city". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 06:14:51 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 01:12:42 2008. Slighted? I don't understand. How does his statement imply, "slighted". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 06:18:04 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 19 00:58:40 2008. I agree, I don't get the "pet peeve" problem he has. Most outerbourough neighborhoods have their own identity, and look absolutly NOTHING like Manhattan. Others, such as many neighborhoods in Queens and Brooklyn (Such as let's say Glendale, neighborhoods along the Brighton, etc) have woodframed suburban style homes that look nothing like Manhattan.In fact, most neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens, with the exception of a few locations perhaps like Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, etc look NOTHING like Manhattan neighborhoods. |
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Posted by trains61 on Sat Jan 19 08:25:05 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 18 21:59:02 2008. It`s called a colloquialism and most of us are too old to change that habit now. The City is Manhattan and that`s that. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 19 08:30:06 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by trains61 on Sat Jan 19 08:25:05 2008. I have some pictures of the old BMT signs - they had many signs in Brooklyn stations that simply read "TO CITY" and "FROM CITY". That's how people in the outer boroughs always considered Manhattan... |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 19 08:36:00 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Michael549 on Fri Jan 18 21:29:24 2008. I dunno how old u are but it's been called "the city" ever since I can remember. Get peeved over something else! :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by trains61 on Sat Jan 19 08:57:51 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 20:50:23 2008. Wrong on Friday and Saturday....No, Ron you are wrong. Even in this thread people readily admit that pax jump off of the locals to the express. How would you know anyway? What is your proof? I used the line on a regular basis, in both directions during the evening. What is your point of reference? An occasional jaunt to Jamaica? I`ll let others in NYC that actually ride on Q.B. during the evening tell us the facts and stand by mine which state, "There are not wall to wall people waiting to ride the V train along Q.B. during evening hours." Because 60 trains a day is still not more than a train every 24 minutes or so (how many tunnels in the subway see that?) those trains have some leeway as to when they need to be at their destinations, and the freight roads can and do jam up Amtrak trains which do need to keep to a schedule (Amtrak has lost ridership between St. Louis and Kansas City because of it). Missed the point once again didn`t you? The point was about the principles of dispatching and scheduling. That`s why freight railroads hire and pay competent dispatchers and not Doctors of Foamology. You can lead a Ron to water....... You really have no clue as to how the subway functions, do you? That's OK, though...this is Subchat. That's why MTA hires professionals and not foamers to work there. The abundance of office professionals in the MTA as opposed to hourlies is part of the problem. More personnel, more options for switchman, platform conductors etc. at some terminals ie: Forest Hills. Funny, I don`t recall that anybody riding the Queens Blvd. lines asked for Ron(Master of Pomposity) to be their advocate. For someone who lives in K.C. you`re awfully involved in NYC transit affairs. So who is the FOAMER here? And ChrisR16 thought Ron had changed(NOT) Ron pull your venomous fangs outta my ass and put them away. This is a message board with differing opinions and observations. We are not going to change the world here. It`s not that serious Doc... Really it isn`t. |
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Posted by trains61 on Sat Jan 19 09:04:54 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 19 08:36:00 2008. Gray power man. LOL |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 19 09:19:54 2008, in response to Re: H Train idea, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 18 23:39:33 2008. That's why the IND went to the safe use of fly under and overs. To save time and lives!avid |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 19 10:28:46 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 19 06:14:51 2008. If the comment is taken to mean "You're not real city folk," then an Asorian could feel slighted.We really should avoid slighting them...never know what could happen. 
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 19 10:44:28 2008, in response to Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 19 08:30:06 2008. Yeah, but in those days "The City" was downtown *Brooklyn*!ROARING |
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