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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 09:45:38 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 15 18:25:41 2007. Then why doesn't someone consider suing the MTA over the rule, if officers use the rule to force people to remain in hazardous conditions against their will (i.e., a foul smelling car that could make someone vomit, a hot car, someone who cannot stand for long when the next car clearly has sit). These things would be over the definition of "emergency", because some officers may not consider it enough of an emergency.Will the police's response be that the person should have applied for paratransit instead? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 09:46:30 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 08:10:06 2007. You are kidding, right? If he LETS him do it and the person falls at the conductor's position with a car full of witnesses? G1 is right, T/Os don't have to deal with this. G2 for you. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 09:47:28 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 09:40:37 2007. The officer does not show up to provide his testimony, unless the original hearing is adjourned because of either 1)The respondent requested the officer's prescence or 2) The hearing officer requests the officer to appear because the ticket was unreadable. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 09:48:05 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 15 17:51:35 2007. If said person chooses #2, however, there is ONE adjournment allowed...and there is a 60-minute window.But, it is near impossible, IF NOT impossible, to get a ticket thrown out on a technicality...because it can be used against the officer (as I have been informed by people who do not wish to be named, and who do not post here)...not issuing a summons that sticks. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 09:49:38 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 08:52:13 2007. You deserve to be blessed for saving a person's life. Thank you. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 09:50:39 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 20:32:24 2007. That isn't enough of an excuse, however, assuming the car was not burning hot or there was a hazardous condition in the car.What you are saying likely will not meet the threshold of an "emergency" needed to throw out the ticket. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 09:52:55 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 09:43:18 2007. Of course they are supposed to enforce the platform rule you cited. Many years ago, Mayor Ed Koch said spitting on the ground is illegal too. Have you ever seen that law enforced? What about jaywalking? I've never seen a pedestrian pulled over! Drive a car? Don't you see how the hand held cell phone ban is disregarded by the motorists? There are so many laws on the books, they are usually enforced selectively. The reality is the "commander" tells his "troops" to enforce a certain rule/law to the letter. Eventually it dies off. Then "next month" the commander tells them to enforce some other rule to the letter. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 16 09:54:29 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 09:40:37 2007. A friend of mine once beat a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign because the officer started reading the wrong notes. The officer started telling the judge that my friend passed a red light - at which time my friend interrupted and said "but the ticket is for a stop sign". The judge dismissed the case "in the interest of justice" because the cop could not get his story straight.You never know what might happen by showing up and taking a chance ;-) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 09:57:17 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 09:46:30 2007. If he LETS him do it and the person falls at the conductor's position with a car full of witnesses?I don't think that's what he had in mind - he just meant that there's no use trying to persuade certain people of truth online. And if that's what he meant, he's sadly correct. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Dec 16 09:57:30 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 16 09:54:29 2007. 'A friend of mine once beat a ticket'what did the ticket do to him? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 09:59:47 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 09:49:38 2007. I appreciate that, but sometimes it is necessary to point out a persons' stupidity to them. In most cases I get a nasty, surly remark that I should mind my own business. Our uniform does not command respect, but a policemans' uniform does not command respect anymore either. The old man did not tell me a thing, but at the next station he used the platform to get to the next car, a jam packed one, none the less. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 10:01:36 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 09:46:30 2007. Are you implying if the guy falls they t/o doesn't go downtown to piss in the bottle? WRONG! The t/o deals with it too! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 10:01:55 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 09:46:30 2007. You are kidding, right? If he LETS him do it and the person falls at the conductor's position with a car full of witnesses? G1 is right, T/Os don't have to deal with this. G2 for you.I dont "kid" espiecally when it comes to my job or anything that has to do with my job, dont confuse me with others.. Apparently you had a problem "understanding" what i meant... In other words you can lead a horse to weater but you cant make it drink right? Im sure you heard of those terms.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 10:03:21 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 09:46:30 2007. P.S a 12-9 EVEN IF its in the 7th or 8th car THE T/O GOES DOWN and Pees in the cup..Or did you know this? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 10:05:49 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 16 09:54:29 2007. A person missing a days pay, or a days work, or having to waste a personal day may not be worth a slight chance to beat any ticket. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 10:09:58 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 09:52:55 2007. This is true, but in this case, the commanders have been instructing the troops to enforce this particular rule for almost 2 years, now. As for not being able to enforce all rules 100% all of the time, well, in the end, the population has to follow rules - the more consequential ones especially - and to the extent they don't, commanders instruct the troops to engage in behavior modification of the population.Of course, it's a never-ending battle, even under authoritarian regimes, so relatively more free societies like our own will always see this cat and mouse game played out. But broadly speaking, most people follow the rules - that's what any society depends on. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:12:28 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Michael549 on Sun Dec 16 02:04:46 2007. Ahhhh, so they do wait. I stand corrected, and point is taken. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 16 10:14:06 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by ntrainride on Sat Dec 15 23:31:09 2007. Those windows you're talking about, either I never knew how to open or close them or they were always stuck in whatever position they were in because I could never open them.The BMT Standards had railfan windows you can open and for some reason of physics you would get a big rush of air coming out of the tunnel between Bushwick/Aberdeen & Bway Junction. Maybe it's that nostalgia from those days that makes me like riding motorcycles so much. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 16 10:16:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 10:01:36 2007. Maybe on NYCTA but on any railroad hitting a trespasser does not require you to go for piss test.Only if you hit a employee does federal rule require you to be tested. all for simple fact that the employee or you could have made a mistake in rules or judgement. A passeger standing to close to edge or being on right of way is considered trespassing and has no consequenses for the Engineer. Not other than mental anguish and sleeplesness, anyway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 16 10:20:18 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 10:05:49 2007. False in the case of "wasting" a personal day. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 16 10:21:09 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Dec 15 21:39:37 2007. No |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 10:25:47 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 09:45:38 2007. Then why doesn't someone consider suing the MTA over the rule, if officers use the rule to force people to remain in hazardous conditions against their will (i.e., a foul smelling car that could make someone vomit, a hot car, someone who cannot stand for long when the next car clearly has sit). These things would be over the definition of "emergency", because some officers may not consider it enough of an emergency.I haven't myself observed any violations of the rule written up on things I thought were emergencies, but to the extent anyone actually received a summons for such, they should take such action as you suggest. As I said in another reply, I heard NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne say on WNYC's Brian Lehrer Show recently - in the last two weeks, in a segment on Operation Lucky Bag - that police were not out to ticket persons moving between cars to evade hot cars or dangerous conditions. If Browne is correct, then no tickets should be given out in circumstances where a violation of the rule arguably did not occur by reason of "emergency". There isn't a transcript, but our public radio has provided a link here to the program in question. My feeling is that a pre-enforcement challenge to the rule would likely be dismissed. I'd instead write to MTA and NYPD (maybe to Browne, specifically) to seek clarification, and then see what the answer is. The segment on the show is mostly about a different operation - "Lucky Bag" - which is controversial because police leave a wallet or purse or bag on a subway car, wait for someone to take something from it, and then pounce if money is taking, such that an arrest is made, under appropriate circumstances, for petty larceny if someone separates the money from the container. While talking about that, Browne answers a question on violations for moving between cars. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 16 10:27:57 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 23:35:35 2007. It may be that NYS Driver's License refers to any photo document issued by the New York DMV, but it's worth a try if you do go to a hearing. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:30:02 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 16 10:21:09 2007. That is something I strongly feel needs to be changed, to stop clogging up the court system...that, or rework the court system so that it becomes a rocket docket.It would not discourage challengers, but it would discourage those who do so just for its sake, with virtually no chance of winning. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 10:30:26 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 16 10:20:18 2007. False in the case of "wasting" a personal day.Not in RTO it isnt... |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 10:31:37 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 09:59:47 2007. Pointing out one's stupidity is a great thing. I told that to some man who left his briefcase behins, telling him that he never heard of the London and Madrid bombings. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 16 10:32:38 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 08:52:13 2007. You probably did save his life. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 16 10:33:20 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 10:31:37 2007. That's a good thing you did. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:39:19 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 10:25:47 2007. Now, on Lucky Bag, which is ON topic, someone could challenge an arrest under that and probably WIN, based on existing municipal laws that were never repealed or superceded.Oh, and in such a case, insist on a jury trial, even if it takes 3 years to get to trial (off topic, the final challenges over the arrests at the 2004 RNC are finally scheduled to go to trial early next year, for about 2 dozen who refused to settle, barring a successful summary judgment request by the city). |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 11:01:08 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:39:19 2007. My guess, without knowing the statistics, is that bargaining results in settlements in "Lucky Bag" type arrests. But that's just my speculation - I haven't seen any reports one way or the other, so I'm going on the general trend that petty larceny counts generally don't go to trial. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 11:09:28 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 10:03:21 2007. I'm sure BLE knows this as he is a former M/M.I think what he's saying is the amount of 'splainin the C/R is going to have to do will be more than what the T/O will have to 'splain. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 11:12:35 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 11:09:28 2007. He misunderstood what i said though i know hes a former Motorman..Sometimes you just cant tell people things, that was my point, epeically how it is down here with people who do dumb things and its the crews who wind up dealing with the nonsense.. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 11:15:42 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 11:12:35 2007. Gotcha. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 11:16:27 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 10:25:47 2007. OK, I listened to the part of the show in question, and Browne says that as for people moving from a hot car to an air-conditioned car, the police are not going to stop them. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 11:21:18 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 11:15:42 2007. Gotcha back too |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 11:30:33 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 10:01:36 2007. Although I enjoy the benefits of Dutch's distinction, no, I wasn't implying anything about the T/O. I was refering to Railman's recomendation at hand to a conductor. FTA states the drug test is mandatory whenever a vehicle it towed after an accident and can't drive under its own power, injuries caused by accident or derailment, or fatalities. We know the crew is mentally scarred for life afterwards. I was stating to Railman as a former conductor and T/O of NYCT, you are held accountable if it is at your position. A T/O who didn't lock up his/her safety chains or end doors is going through the ringer same as the conductor who failed to preserve his/her positions. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 11:37:45 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 11:30:33 2007. A T/O who didn't lock up his/her safety chains or end doors is going through the ringer same as the conductor who failed to preserve his/her positions.You got that right brother, i agree with you 110% Thats why on ALL my Put-Ins and every time i get in my headout car i make SURE that Storm Door is Locked and secure. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Sun Dec 16 12:21:43 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 11:37:45 2007. Yep, yep... I've been on one consist lately where teh storm door wuz UNLOCKED. Saw platform personnel at the T/O winduh so I held my trap shut until the next station and clued him in... |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 12:50:13 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 16 10:01:55 2007. I misunderstood your statement "let him do it again and get another ticket". Either it sounded like you were kidding or weren't professional by letting someone risk falling at your position under the terms i stated before. BTW, I was also a former TWU rep so you ain't getting a beatdown here. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 16 13:32:40 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 16 10:01:36 2007. Current practice is to test both members of the crew only if either can be seen as contributing to the incident. Many reports now contain the statement that the "T/O was not tested as he was not seen as a contributing factor to the incident." |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 16 13:34:29 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn...**., posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 16 10:16:34 2007. I would hope that any T/O or engineer who experiences a 12-9 or its equivalent would be offered counseling and other support as needed or requested. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 13:39:03 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 16 13:32:40 2007. Although it does seem to be commonplace nowadays to piss test the conductor on a 12-9 where the person was a jumper who leaped in front of the train, something the c/r has no involvement in at that point. I had two of these happen in 1987 and the c/r never had to go for the incident testing then. Why should it be different today? |
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Posted by Joe on Sun Dec 16 13:46:18 2007, in response to busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Dec 15 16:35:56 2007. This reminds me of a posting about a year ago: At either Chicago-O'Hare or Midway, the only open car is the one nearest the bumper, so the story went. Enter that car, walk forward, get ticket! I will remember to walk in-and-out of cars at stub end terminals. My distrust of police officers increases with these traps. The excuse for the rule was safety on moving trains. On the LIRR, people are instructed to move forward to get off at Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, and St Albans. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 16 13:46:32 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 16 13:32:40 2007. Is that just when people jump or fall onto the tracks? Anything else seems like it might take an investigation to determine what all of the contributing factors are. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 14:00:53 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 13:39:03 2007. Fatalities, everyone is tested. Injuries, culpable parties tested.Requirement For Post-Accident Testing Clarified The accident definition and post-accident testing requirement remained the same with the publication of FTA’s new drug and alcohol testing rule (49 CFR Part 655). However, there continues to be confusion regarding when a test is required and when it is not. An accident is defined (§655.4) as an occurrence associated with the operation of a vehicle in which: An individual dies; An individual suffers a bodily injury and immediately receives medical treatment away from the scene of an accident; The mass transit vehicle is a bus, electric bus, van, or automobile in which one or more vehicles incurs disabling damage as the result of the occurrence and is transported away from the scene by a tow truck or other vehicle. Look-alike historical trolley buses that operate on surface roads without a fixed guideway are considered buses for purposes of this definition. “Disabling Damage,” means damage that precludes departure of any vehicle from the scene of the occurrence in its usual manner in daylight after simple repairs. Disabling damage includes damage to vehicles that could have been operated, but would have been further damaged if so operated. The mass transit vehicle involved is a railcar, trolley car, trolley bus (on a fixed guideway or overhead wire), or vessel and is removed from operation. Whenever there is a loss of human life, each surviving safety-sensitive employee operating the mass transit vehicle at the time of the accident must be tested. Safety-sensitive employees not on the vehicle (e.g., maintenance personnel) whose performance could have contributed to the accident (as determined by the transit agency using the best information available at the time of the accident) must also be tested. Following nonfatal accidents, employers shall test each safety-sensitive employee operating the mass transit vehicle at the time of the accident unless the employer determines that the covered employee’s performance can be completely discounted as a contributing factor to the accident. The employer shall test any other safety-sensitive employee whose performance could have contributed to the accident. The decision must be made using the best information available at the time. Non-fatal accidents involving a bus, electric bus, van, or automobile must meet the definition of an accident for these types of vehicles to be considered an accident. For these types of vehicles, “removal from operation” is not a criterion for a post-accident test. Thus, employers that take a vehicle out of service without meeting the other criteria (i.e., disabling damage or bodily injury that requires immediate medical treatment away from the scene) may not conduct a post –accident test under FTA authority. The portion of the definition that addresses “removal from operation” is the portion that deals only with vehicles on fixed guideways (i.e., rail car, trolley car, trolley bus) or vessels. The definition for these vehicles does not include disabling damage. An “occurrence associated with the operation of a vehicle” means that the accident or incident must be directly related to the manner in which the driver applies the brake, accelerates, or steers the vehicle. Operation of a vehicle does not include operation of the lift. An accident could be the result of a collision with another vehicle or pedestrian or could be associated with an incident that occurs on the vehicle without any contact with another vehicle (i.e., a passenger falls on the bus due to the manner in which the vehicle was operated). Vehicles covered include a bus, electric bus, van, automobile, rail car, trolley car, trolley bus, or vessel that is used for mass transportation or for ancillary services. Ancillary services include non-revenue service commercial motor vehicles and vehicles used by armed security personnel. Thus, accidents involving supervisor or general manager vehicles that are not used to transport passengers do not meet this definition and do not justify an FTA post-accident test. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Dec 16 14:03:17 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Dec 16 07:51:23 2007. "First take a really good look at the ticket and ask yourself some questions:"-Is the exact location correct? "Woodlawn, 4 (booth R294)" Specific Location: "Platform" cops were on the platform, I was on the train. -Is the date and time present, as well as AM or PM checked? 12/15/07 at 3:40. PM checked. got off the Bee-Line Bus to go upstairs around 3:35ish, so it fits. -Was the correct rule number cited? 1050.9(d). check. -Did the officer sign the ticket? (name withheld). sign and print. -Did the officer gave a complete description of what he saw? Walking between cars is not the same as walking between SUBWAY cars? "At T/P/O PO observed resp. moving through one end door of a train car to another door of a train car on S/B 4 train." I know these are dumb questions but these are automatic dismissals. The next question is this, what are the two consecutive car numbers? Other than it was a R142A and since I forgot the ####s, it only narrows it down to 7680s-7810. I'm just gonna go to Downtown Brooklyn on Tuesday and pay the ticket anyways. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 14:05:34 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 14:00:53 2007. I should clarify. Neither of my incidents were fatalities.A year ago a friend of mine had a 12-9 that was not a fatality. His c/r was tested anyway. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 14:07:21 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 14:05:34 2007. Then that was up to Control or the Supt. They do what they want when they want. For being on the platform with pay for three days there is nothing anyone can do about it |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Dec 16 14:12:22 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Dec 16 14:07:21 2007. If I was were that c/r I don't think I could look at it as "3 days off the road with pay". I would be fuming. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Dec 16 14:23:42 2007, in response to Re: busted for moving between cars at Woodlawn......, posted by HarryP on Sun Dec 16 08:36:51 2007. Youths riding between cars, snatching handbags from passengers on the platforms, with a number of persons being thrown to the platform, seriously injured.I remember hearing about this occurring on the (7) line in Manhattan a few years back. They even issued a Notice to conductors to watch for anyone riding between cars, and to notify Control Center immediately if anyone looked suspicious. |
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