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Posted by xtimx on Sun Feb 13 17:33:32 2005, in response to Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by dayveo on Sun Feb 13 16:49:00 2005. usually those signs are located where the c/r's cab is, maybe they are trying to have people get in that car so they feel safer with the c/r watching after them? |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Series on Sun Feb 13 17:43:02 2005, in response to Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by dayveo on Sun Feb 13 16:49:00 2005. Those signs are most likely remnants from when it was common practice to shorten train lengths to reduce costs (albeit in the short run). |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 13 20:08:43 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Sun Feb 13 17:43:02 2005. Remnants on the MTA web site, too.Some trains are shorter (have fewer cars) when its not rush hour because there are fewer passengers using the subway. Some short trains operate without a conductor. On those trains, the train operator opens and closes the doors, makes station announcements, and assists customers, if needed. Consider waiting at the center of the platform at these times. At most stations, there are signs that read: During Off-Hours, Trains Stop Here. If you stand near the center of the platform near the sign, you wont have to rush when the train arrives. IIRC, they installed those signs in the mid-nineties but the practice didn't last very long. I remember the 6 train having 5 car trains during late hours. |
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Posted by dayveo on Sun Feb 13 23:30:43 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 13 20:08:43 2005. thanks.remnants, thats what i figured they were. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Feb 13 23:47:49 2005, in response to Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by dayveo on Sun Feb 13 16:49:00 2005. The signs were also installed as a secure waiting area for late night riders. Supposedly, the token clerk would be able to see this area from their booth or via cctv as a way to deter crime.But without clerks, who is going to be watching? |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Feb 14 00:55:03 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by monorail on Sun Feb 13 23:47:49 2005. But without clerks, who is going to be watching?God. But from a distance. |
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Posted by xtimx on Mon Feb 14 01:40:00 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by monorail on Sun Feb 13 23:47:49 2005. but who watches the watchers?hmmmm. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Feb 14 05:21:51 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by monorail on Sun Feb 13 23:47:49 2005. If you're relying on CCTV anyway, what difference does it make if the people watching are in the station itself or in downtown Brooklyn (or 54th Street)?It's not like most S/A's studiously watch the monitors late at night. Put all the watchers in a single room and there may be pressure to not sleep or chat on the phone, which seem to be common activities for many S/A's. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Feb 14 06:16:31 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by monorail on Sun Feb 13 23:47:49 2005. "But without clerks, who is going to be watching?"Is there actually any proposal to do away with station staff altogether? Or even to do away with *all* booths (as opposed to second or third booths at stations)? Staff on the platforms might be even better for security than staff in booths. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Feb 14 08:18:16 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 13 20:08:43 2005. The best place for indicating short trains has to be the Paris RER. There are signs showing where the front and back of short trains will be and a space on the departure indicator to indicate train length. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 14 08:30:37 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Sun Feb 13 17:43:02 2005. Actually, you are correct. Those signs are a throwback to the mid 1980's actually, when I first noticed them appearing. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Feb 14 08:44:35 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Sun Feb 13 17:43:02 2005. "Those signs are most likely remnants from when it was common practice to shorten train lengths to reduce costs (albeit in the short run)."While that is no doubt the reason for the signs on NYCT, some rapid transit and suburban rail systems do, in fact, have signposted "safe waiting" areas which are under CCTV surveillance, to reassure passengers at late night and other quiet hours. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 14 10:12:50 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 14 08:30:37 2005.  Those signs are a throwback to the mid 1980's actually, when I first noticed them appearing. Yes, the EARLY 80s. They were there already before I moved to North Dakota. Here, if you want a train to stop you have to go to Minot. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 14 10:16:33 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by monorail on Sun Feb 13 23:47:49 2005. But without clerks, who is going to be watching? Actually, people will be watching each other. With all of the passengers gathered together in one lump, rather than spread out across the platform, there is less chance that a bad guy would try to get away with something. There is some safety in numbers. It is also the place where the conductor can see the platform. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 14 10:32:03 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 13 20:08:43 2005. In late 1994, the C, J, and M train ran 4 car midday trains and the B ran 6. Bad, BAD idea. |
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Posted by appohsmit on Mon Feb 14 10:57:36 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Rail Blue on Mon Feb 14 08:18:16 2005. The original WMATA design specification had the platform edge lights blink where the train was going to stop. (Instead of all the edge lights blinking, like it works now.) The logic for this function was installed in all train control rooms, but the wiring for blinking individual segments was never installed. It will (after 30 years) be finally removed from the design standards soon. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 14 12:26:33 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 14 10:32:03 2005. In the late eighties, the K ran 4 car trains at evenings/nights until the A took over at 1 am and only had ten to twenty passengers each. Most trains had at least one car with lights out, three out of four sometimes. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Feb 14 13:18:18 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by xtimx on Mon Feb 14 01:40:00 2005. God, from a distance. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 14 13:28:46 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Rail Blue on Mon Feb 14 08:18:16 2005. They used to have signs to show you where the first class cars would be too, when they existed. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 14 13:32:28 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 14 10:12:50 2005. "Off hour waiting area" signs existed in the eighties but the "During Off-Hours, Trains Stop Here" signs didn't appear until the mid-nineties. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 14 13:54:35 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Feb 14 13:18:18 2005. Are you quoting American Pig or are you claiming this as your own witty response? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 14 14:53:22 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 14 12:26:33 2005. Yeah, I remember those crappy, dark pre-GOH R42's. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Feb 15 02:10:09 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 14 10:16:33 2005. Not all "Off-hour waiting areas" were in sight of the c/r, some were in mezzanine areas. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 15 09:53:38 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by monorail on Tue Feb 15 02:10:09 2005. The "Off Hour Waiting Area" signs were different than the "Off Hour Trains Stop Here" signs. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 15 09:55:51 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 14 13:32:28 2005. Although versions of those "Off Hour Trains Stop Here" signs were around long before the 90's, although the wording was different.
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Feb 16 07:44:22 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 14 13:28:46 2005. They used to have signs to show you where the first class cars would be too, when they existed.Even more amusing, they still try to sell tourists first class zone 1-2 passes! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Feb 16 18:59:00 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Feb 16 07:44:22 2005. What? First class tickets aren't even listed on RATP's site anymore! Where did you see that? |
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Posted by #7 Flushing on Thu Feb 17 10:50:25 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by American Pig on Mon Feb 14 00:55:03 2005. Where's Bet Midler when you need her on an island platform? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Feb 17 14:44:08 2005, in response to Re: Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Feb 16 18:59:00 2005. They call it "Paris Visite" - the only difference from the "Moblis" passes which everyone buys is that they allow 1st Class travel on the SNCF in the zones you've bought (ie totally useless in zones 1-2, the ones tourists typically buy). Actually, I usually use Carte Orange Z1-4 Hebdo, but that's another story... |
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Posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Feb 18 11:04:22 2005, in response to Off Hours Trains Stop Here, posted by dayveo on Sun Feb 13 16:49:00 2005. i thought it was for trains that use 6 cars instead of 10 cars (60 footers) |
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