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More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Mellow One on Tue Oct 16 08:51:22 2007

More Photos by Frank Pfuhler have been uploaded to NYCSubway.org.
There are several images of the LIRR Rockaway line before the NYCTA takeover of the line.
There are 3 images of the LIRR Rockaway station at Brooklyn Manor dated 1956;
img_75675, (this image)
img_76024 and
img_76025.

I am not familiar with the LIRR Rockaway line north of former Fulton El structure.
Which subway line is crossing the LIRR at this location.
Is Brooklyn Manor another abandoned LIRR station?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Oct 16 09:07:55 2007, in response to More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Mellow One on Tue Oct 16 08:51:22 2007.

1. Jamaica El (notice the R16s on the el)

2. Yes.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:10:22 2007, in response to More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Mellow One on Tue Oct 16 08:51:22 2007.



Which subway line is crossing the LIRR at this location.

My guess is the (J), but I could be wrong.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 16 09:13:00 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:10:22 2007.

It's definitely one of the Jamaica Avenue el lines, because Jamaica Avenue is where the Brooklyn Manor station was located.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Fytton on Tue Oct 16 09:17:28 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:10:22 2007.

Nice map. Thanks for posting it.

I notice that in LIRR days there were two stations between Howard Beach and Broad Channel - now the longest gap between two adjacent stations on the subway network. As I remember from travelling the A to Far Rockaway, there is nothing there except Jamaica Bay and its mudflats. What were those stations (Hamilton Beach and The Gaunt) for?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:21:52 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Fytton on Tue Oct 16 09:17:28 2007.

Your welcome. It is from lirrhistory.com.

Hamilton Beach has some civilization relatively nearby, IIRC, though not much.

The Gaunt must be for bird watchers :) Or back then, pollution fans? Anyhow, I'm sure our various LIRR experts have a good answer.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by mellow one on Tue Oct 16 09:24:05 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Oct 16 09:07:55 2007.

Thanks, I coud see it was the IND cars on the Jamaica Line. However, I traveled on that line only once or twice about 50 years ago. Has a recent photo of the area been posted?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Oct 16 09:29:54 2007, in response to More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Mellow One on Tue Oct 16 08:51:22 2007.

His pics have been one of the nicer additions to the NYCsubway.org collection. He must have been an employee, because of lots of yard shots, the incredible shots of the R32 demonstration on the NYC, etc...

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 16 10:08:34 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by mellow one on Tue Oct 16 09:24:05 2007.

Here's something from the south side of Jamaica Av IIRC



your pal,
Fred

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Oct 16 10:12:26 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 16 10:08:34 2007.

In this shot, it's clear that the el goes up pretty high to more than clear the LIRR, or, well, the ex-LIRR since the tracks probably went away long ago.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:37:41 2007, in response to More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Mellow One on Tue Oct 16 08:51:22 2007.


I saw these last night. Their awesomeness is incalculable. Are those MP54's I see on the LIRR? Who came up with that awful paint scheme?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:39:28 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Oct 16 09:29:54 2007.


Didn't he contribute those two R32 shots being towed down the Park Ave. viaduct?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:47:18 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 16 10:08:34 2007.


Isn't that Lefferts Blvd? The Rockaway ROW is closely bordered with buildings and is infested with trees along it's entire length here, and it crosses perpendicularly (if that word really exists) underneath it.

Here's a good image:



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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:53:09 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by mellow one on Tue Oct 16 09:24:05 2007.


The scene taken from the angle of the photographer would not be recognizable today. First off, not a single trace of that station exists today, the first I heard of it's (and Parkside's) existence was on nycsubway.org. I've walked the ROW many times between the old burned trestle over the Montauk line to the old Ozone Park station. It's now heavily forested with trees. Tracks are intact in sections, though the ballast has washed away. It's very dangerous, full of rats, racoons and the occasional stray dog. Stay away from the remnants of the Woodhaven station, it was full of homeless people when I was last there. Much of the ROW has been illegally encroached upon by homes which border in in Woodhaven and Ozone Park. Near Atlantic Ave, a section has been co-opted by a school bus company. Just south of the Glendale cutoff, an apartment building paved over a portion of it to use as a parking lot.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:58:05 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:21:52 2007.


Hamilton Beach is one of your more exclusive Queens neighborhoods. Back in the day, the Gambinos owned many of those waterfront houses.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Dan on Tue Oct 16 12:16:06 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:37:41 2007.

And the only photos I've ever seen of the SIR Bay Terrace station during the grade elimination project.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 12:23:59 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:21:52 2007.

*You're

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 12:30:38 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Dan on Tue Oct 16 12:16:06 2007.


Check out these shots of the ORIGINAL Mott Ave. station, complete with low-level platforms. I didn't know the Rockaway line had any of these:





The foam, it's everywhere!

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Oct 16 12:30:39 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:21:52 2007.

It's the Raunt. I think it was mainly used by fishermen. Here's a picture from Arrts-Arrchives of a 1948 fan trip.





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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 12:33:16 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Oct 16 12:30:39 2007.

Wow, you don't really notice how much the LAND was changed until you see a photo taken before the city constructed the "flats".

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by monorail on Tue Oct 16 13:20:25 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Oct 16 10:12:26 2007.

'the el goes up pretty high to more than clear the LIRR'



for a possible connection with the Myrtle ave 'L'
that was never built

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 13:53:28 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Oct 16 12:30:39 2007.

Wow. And what's there today? Just nothing?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 14:05:46 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 12:30:38 2007.

ORIGINAL Mott Ave. station, complete with low-level platforms. I didn't know the Rockaway line had any of these:

Arrts-Archives has had this photo. I believe it is the same station. Could be wrong though.



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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 14:14:47 2007, in response to More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Mellow One on Tue Oct 16 08:51:22 2007.

If the MTA could get that ROW cleaned up, it'd make a nice little subway line to somewhere in Northern Queens.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 16 14:15:25 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 14:05:46 2007.

I think that`s the Ozone Park Station. Note the R1/9 in the background.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 14:18:33 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 16 14:15:25 2007.

It's labeled as Far Rock.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 15:11:32 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 16 14:15:25 2007.

No, it looks like Far Rock immediatley after the IND took over. The R1/9 looks like a train relaying north of Beach 25th St, the terminal from 1956 to 1958.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 15:17:37 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 13:53:28 2007.

Landfill which created the "flats" and the Gateway National Preserve. The physical landscape would not look anything like it does in that picture.

The scary thing to remember is if we get hit directly with a category 1 hurricane, all of that man-made land will disappear and with the Rockaway line now severed from the LIRR thru Valley Stream, Rockaway could become completely isolated.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 15:19:56 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 14:14:47 2007.

Yes and no. It'd have to connect to Queens Blvd, and it can't handle that sort of passanger increases. I think it has a greater future as a direct link from JFK to Manhattan via the LIRR to both Penn and GCT.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by DCmetrogreen on Tue Oct 16 15:48:42 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 09:10:22 2007.

An interesting thing on that map is the station labled United Nations between Flushing (Main St.) and Corona on the Port Washington Branch.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 16 16:26:28 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:47:18 2007.

Oops, you're correct, I did post one up at Lefferts.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Oct 16 16:42:57 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Oct 16 09:29:54 2007.

I don't think Frank Pfuhler was a employee. There are a lot of streetcar/interurban pictures taken by him, all 40's and early/middle 50's) on several streetcar/interurban sites.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 16 17:49:11 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Fytton on Tue Oct 16 09:17:28 2007.

I recall seing a mid 1950s map of the LIRR which showed a station called "Goose Creek" which if I remember was north of Broad Channel. Does anyone out there have any info about this station?

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 16 17:56:06 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 15:11:32 2007.

Actually, the relay position was SOUTH of B 25 St (Wavecrest) station. When the IND first went to the Rockaways in 1956, the Mott Av station was not completed even though the crossover N/O where the station would be was in place. The Wavecrest trains relayed over the crossover until the new island platform was completed. The original LIRR Mott Av station was across Mott Av from the present NYCT station, but ultimately, the LIRR Far Rock terminal was move a few blocks east to Nameoke Av.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 16 17:58:21 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 14:14:47 2007.

That was to have been the original route of the IND Rockaway Line. It would have connected to the Qns Blv Line via the bellmouths N/O 63 Drive station.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 16 19:00:01 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 11:37:41 2007.

All of this man's photos are TOTALLY awesome. I especially love the photos of the R17s being delivered via the old NYWB ROW.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by VictorM on Tue Oct 16 19:49:40 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by DCmetrogreen on Tue Oct 16 15:48:42 2007.

The U.N. (General Assembly, I think) met temporarily at the New York City building in Flushing Meadow Park (left over from the 1939-40 World's Fair) before they had a permanent building. They also met for a time at a former Sperry building in Lake Success.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by mellow one on Tue Oct 16 20:26:18 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 16 10:08:34 2007.

Thanks, from this view tou can see that the crossing is angled skew. In the Pfuler view the crossing appears to be a 90 degree angle.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 16 20:29:03 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by mellow one on Tue Oct 16 20:26:18 2007.

Yep, sorry about that chief :D Would you believe Lefferts?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Oct 17 02:07:12 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 16 17:58:21 2007.

Ah, the bellmouths. Very cool.

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Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Oct 17 02:11:23 2007, in response to Re: More Photos by Frank Pfuhler, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 14:14:47 2007.

Actually, on second thought, perhaps some sort of light rail line. Something quiet and efficient, and isn't a bus.

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