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Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 09:13:25 2007

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Track workers almost run over when the train ran a stop signal; tripper saves a man's life.

Somebody (more than one?) may need to be disciplined here. Running a red is a very serious offense.

Link here


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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Sep 18 09:57:21 2007, in response to Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 09:13:25 2007.

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Transit supervisor performing track labor, instead of supervising. NICE. Too many Chiefs.....

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Dave on Tue Sep 18 10:29:20 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Sep 18 09:57:21 2007.

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You mean not enough Chiefs. No one was supervising.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by South Ferry on Tue Sep 18 10:53:54 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Dave on Tue Sep 18 10:29:20 2007.

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Umm... the red flag was??

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Sep 18 10:54:47 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by South Ferry on Tue Sep 18 10:53:54 2007.

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Associated with the trip the SUpv will be taking....

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by South Ferry on Tue Sep 18 10:56:58 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Sep 18 10:54:47 2007.

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meaning he'll get cracked in half, too?? :0)

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Sep 18 11:01:34 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by South Ferry on Tue Sep 18 10:56:58 2007.

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He already was since his subordinates wrote him up. Must have been a really nice guy to work for.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 18 11:58:09 2007, in response to Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 09:13:25 2007.

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Someone's got some 'splainin' to do.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Sep 18 12:04:24 2007, in response to Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 09:13:25 2007.

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He ran a Red flag or latern and hit the portable trip used by the work gang. Thats is one of the most serious offense in transit.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 13:56:20 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Sep 18 12:04:24 2007.

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Thank you. I read about the flag but I thought the wayside signal was red (ie it was dumb luck that the train hit a red signal before killing somebody).

Thank you for descrivbing the portable trip. I'd say that's a useful device!

How do you pass one? Do you stop, and then the track worker disables it and waves you by at 2 mph?

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 18 14:23:25 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 13:56:20 2007.

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The track worker goes over to the trip, removes it from the track, and then signals the train forward.

ROAR

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Sep 18 14:32:12 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 13:56:20 2007.

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The set is when work is being done on the track one person is a flagman. He has a device on the proper side of the track where he/she places a Portable trip in the up position with a red flag or hold the red flag across the track. The T/O is suppose to stop one car lenght from the flagman. When everyone is clear the flagman hides the red and removes the trip and gives the T/O a proceed signal. The T/O then proceeds no faster then 10 MPH. There are many time and still to this day track workers set up improper flagging where the T/O may not have enough time to react to get the train under control. Now in that case the T/O is to report that situation to the Rail Control center and a TSS will investigate.


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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 14:35:35 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Sep 18 14:32:12 2007.

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Thank you for that explanation.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 14:36:20 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Sep 18 14:23:25 2007.

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OK, so it' just a solid piece of metal. Can't get more reliable than that.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Alex L. on Wed Sep 19 15:53:09 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Sep 18 12:04:24 2007.

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Improper flagging - no red flag, no flagman.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 19 16:10:49 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Alex L. on Wed Sep 19 15:53:09 2007.

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"Improper flagging - no red flag, no flagman."

Of coruse that little tidbit wasnt put in the papers..

That Track Gang as well as that Foreman will have a LOT of time to think about that one..

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Sep 19 16:12:43 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 19 16:10:49 2007.

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But what I want to know, is that why did the train hit the portable stop arm in the first place.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 19 16:26:38 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Sep 19 16:12:43 2007.

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"But what I want to know, is that why did the train hit the portable stop arm in the first place."

Perhaps one day next week...


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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Lord Vader on Wed Sep 19 18:36:34 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Sep 19 16:12:43 2007.

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In due time, we'll hear something Mike. For now, it's not the time for us to know. For all we know, the investigation is still on so the "hush-hush" rule for us rail nutz is still in effect.

Lord Vader

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Sep 19 18:37:51 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Sep 19 18:36:34 2007.

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True. But I need to look into this investigation.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by Jrice on Thu Sep 20 13:12:48 2007, in response to Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 18 09:13:25 2007.

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Good thing the trip arm was in place!!

I witnessesd a train slide on wet rails at an outdoor station. Slid right through the trip arm and came to a stop 10-15 feet in front of the gang hauling buckets of concrete up from the street. I think each of the gang crew lost 10 pounds right there.

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Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 20 13:13:48 2007, in response to Re: Another near-miss for track workers; train runs red signal, posted by Jrice on Thu Sep 20 13:12:48 2007.

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I don't blame them. If that happened to me my life would be playing in my head, so to speak...

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