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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 14 17:48:59 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 12:17:13 2007. However, with all of the deliveries, no cars have been retired except for severely rotten cars or total losses...waiting for Train Dude to confirm. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:10:10 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 14 16:33:35 2007. I thought you hated the V? Why all of a sudden are you in favor of the V over the G? Different boroughs? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 18:13:44 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 14 17:48:59 2007. It takes a while from when the first cars go into service to when the first cars are retired.I believe that we have passed that while, and cars are now being retired. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:16:21 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by shadyelstation on Fri Sep 14 15:20:08 2007. Or they keep the F and G local and run the V as an express w/some F's running express only if they are running late.That way the Park Slope riders won't bitch about losing their 24/7-direct to manhattan local and the extended G will allow transfer to the 4th Av station where G trains will retain most of its riders at least. The V being rush hours only would would be better as an express to allow riders below Church to skip some of the Park Slope stops. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 18:17:06 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:16:21 2007. Let us all not forget how pointless the F express would be, as almost all the ridership is north of church. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:34:34 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 18:17:06 2007. Exactly which is why the V would be better off as the express while teh F stays as it is - a local. |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Sep 14 18:39:47 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 14 11:27:30 2007. Then what are those 10 stripped R40s, an illusion? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 18:45:02 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:34:34 2007. No. It is exactly why it is better if there is no express on the line, because there is no need for one whatsoever. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:48:07 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 18:45:02 2007. But wouldn't the V be better servicing as far as church Av rather than just end at 2nd Av? Unless it should remain there until a V-M merger happens? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 19:14:41 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:48:07 2007. Either way, if extended it should be local.The main issue with extending the V to church, is that if you have other plans for it in the future, you are providing a neighborhood with a service which they may complain about the loss of if you cut it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 14 19:23:33 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 14 16:12:28 2007. No, most people in Brooklyn commute within Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 14 22:13:42 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 14 18:17:06 2007. The (F) remains the CI service 24/7, thus it would be the Express, and the (V) and the (G) would be turned at Church.It will be a small reduction in service for those north of Church, but they will get empty trains, and it will be an overall net gain in seats on that line. Since this whole discussion was instigated by the people in the Carroll Gardens area, they obviously are willing to put up with this. ROAR |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 14 23:52:58 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:10:10 2007. Different boroughsThat basically sums it up. I will never like the set up on Queens Blvd but if extending the V to Church means that the F can run express in Brooklyn then so be it. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 15 01:07:30 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:48:07 2007. I'd rather see a V/M merger (or V/J merger). But extending the V to Church is better than having it dead-end at 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 15 01:40:33 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Sep 14 17:48:02 2007. 425 68's.200 68a's. 625 cars. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 15 01:45:35 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 14 23:52:58 2007. So you would screw riders at over 10 stops to have another route skip about 5? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 15 01:57:08 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 14 18:16:21 2007. From a previous message:Or they keep the F and G local and run the V as an express w/some F's running express only if they are running late. That way the Park Slope riders won't bitch about losing their 24/7-direct to manhattan local and the extended G will allow transfer to the 4th Av station where G trains will retain most of its riders at least. The V being rush hours only would would be better as an express to allow riders below Church to skip some of the Park Slope stops." I agree with you all the way. Mike |
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Posted by zac on Sat Sep 15 07:55:24 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 14 22:13:42 2007. But they are the same people that complained the last time the F ran express. And they will complain when the F bypasses their stop while waiting for a local EVEN IF THEY HAVE THE SAME FREQUENCY OF DIRECT SERVICE.If they run the V as a local to Church Ave and the F as Express to CI, with the V at the same exact frequency as the F runs now, the people at the bypass stations will complain that they are being bypassed. I have absolutely no doubt about it. You are talking about one of the most "entitled" group of people on earth that expect everything to be handed to them. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sat Sep 15 08:10:49 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by zac on Sat Sep 15 07:55:24 2007. I don't know if that's so...the coimplaint last time was the local service was provided by the G which didn't go to Manhattan where the vast majority of riders want to go...and even those not going to Manhattan would face an inconvenient change at Hoyt-Schermerhorn if they wanted A service to Jay Street and lower Manhattan (you know up and down right?) via A service or just wanted to get off at Jay Street.The current idea to provide V service would not have that problem (of course many people get very hung up on the letter used as witness the continued controversy about the switch of the B and D although Brighton people have a very valid point when they point out the MTA screwed those people who want Sixth Avenue service when the B is not running by not providing an across the platform transfer at DeKalb when one can very very easily be provided but that's for another thread)...somehow people might feel demeaned if they get on at Carroll Street and have to take a V train rather than an F train; absurd yes but that's the way some people think. Solution..make the V the Express and full time service to CI and terminate the F at Church Avenue...this would easily resolve this problem. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 15 08:34:32 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Sep 15 08:10:49 2007. But there is no need for the express outside of rush hours. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 15 10:58:19 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 15 01:45:35 2007. 'splain |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 15 11:30:01 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by zac on Sat Sep 15 07:55:24 2007. The times they are a changin'It was these very people who were asking for the express service, and they also knew damn well that they lived at a local stop. Perhaps they figured that an extra two or maybe three minutes waiting for the (V) train would well be worth having a seat on that train. A seat without the kind of people who have to live further out in the boro. Hoity toity toot toot! ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 15 13:15:35 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by shadyelstation on Fri Sep 14 15:07:59 2007. as the V and F share tracks on 6th there is NO TPH issue extending the V to Church; because shifting either to the express south of Jay leaves space for the G on the local tracks. The issue of which line to serve CI really is more related to equipment needs on QBlvd. If the rider volume south of Church Ave is light enough, then the lower capacity V might be the better route in rush turning the longer F's to return to Queens more rapidly. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 15 14:11:03 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 15 13:15:35 2007. Travel time between an F running express in Queens and Brooklyn and a V running local from Forest Hills to Church Ave. would not be that significant. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Sep 15 18:44:15 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 14 14:13:54 2007. That would bring an abrupt end to the Clean Train Era. Graffiti was the exact reason that was stopped on the IRT. Now, with Terrorism and such, putting that many cars on the tracks unprotected is not a good idea. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Sep 16 13:11:43 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 15 11:30:01 2007. just wait until that first train bypasses their station, then they'll change their tune. At least the Ft Hamilton and Prospect Pk riders won't see the train going by, so you'll only have three stations being obviously bypassed. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Sep 16 13:44:28 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by zac on Sat Sep 15 07:55:24 2007. Maybe they're actually willing to make that trade off. It's not like it's 1977 and waiting on a platform could be taking your life in your hands. I would wait a few more minutes if I could get a seat too.Also, it's not like the F runs through the ghetto (In fact, it's a pretty nice area with the notable exception of Coney itself), I think snottyness doesn't come into play here. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Sep 16 13:46:32 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Sep 15 08:10:49 2007. WTF? Sorry dude, people are not that retarded. The V is an orange bullet, so psychologically, people know it's going to Manhattan. Why fuck over everyone below Church? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 16 14:10:34 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Sep 16 13:44:28 2007. My goodness..Still negative I see. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:33:52 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Sep 15 08:10:49 2007. Solution..make the V the Express and full time service to CI and terminate the F at Church Avenue...this would easily resolve this problem.This won't solve anything. People are used to seeing the F as a full time line. Now under your plan, making the F a part time line would only confuse riders who rely on the F. The F has better service than the V which tells riders that the F is the line to choose. People won't want a reduction in service. The best solution to the problem is to make the F express to Church Avenue and the G and V local. Once this happens service pattern could look like this: F - Local in Manhattan and Express in Brooklyn and Queens. Brooklyn Express Stops untill Church Avenue (Rush Hours Only) Other times local in Manhattan and Brooklyn and Express in Queens. G - From Long Island City-Court Square to Church Avenue (Weekdays only) Court Sqaure to Smith-9th Sts Late Nighs and Weekends V - Rush Hours only from Forest Hills-71st Avenue to Church Avenue, Brooklyn. Middays and evenings from Forest Hills to Lower East Side 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:39:08 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by zac on Sun Sep 16 13:11:43 2007. Those people won't have a reason to complain. It ain't the 70's anymore. Since the introduction of the V, it would turn into a better ride. From what I've gathered, those riders want a seat. Well guess what? The V train is their calling. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 14:41:13 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:33:52 2007. Um, the (G) "goes" to Forest Hills on Late Nights and Weekends, in this plan, are you proposing cutting it back 24/7? Also, why cut it back to Smith-9th Streets at night? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:49:47 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 14:41:13 2007. Since the G has been terminating at Court Sqaure for the past few years, I included it. I'm aware the G is supposed to be terminating at 71st Avenue. As for cutting it back at Smith-9th Sts, I'm basing it on how the TA would make such changes. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 16 15:57:02 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:33:52 2007. I would keep the F and G local and run the V as an express w/some F's running express only if they are running late.That way the Park Slope riders won't bitch about losing their 24/7-direct to manhattan local and the extended G will allow transfer to the 4th Av station where G trains will retain most of its riders at least. The V being rush hours only would would be better as an express to allow riders below Church to skip some of the Park Slope stops. If possible I'd even extend the V-train to/from Kings Highway as a peak direction rush hour express. 1) The Park Slope folks won't moan and groan about losing their F train. Keeping the F-train at is usual number of trains per hour, frequency, etc -- stops that argument cold. Keep the F-train 24/7/365 as it is - hence no problems from the residents. 2) The V-train is then seen as an "extra" benefit, that when it runs it is express. No more deciding whether the F train is local or express - all F's are local. Those who want express service can use the V-train. 3) Of course keeping the G-train as local to/from Church Avenue is a given, and enhances the transfer options. 4) Yes, I know that the F-train and V-train are just letters on the front of a train - and both go to Manhattan. However some folks get "invested" in train letters (witness the continued snipping over the B and D trains) this plan asks nobody to give up anything. 5) Since the V-train has a lower frequency of trains per hour than the F-train, using the V-train as a local service along the Culver route is indeed a CUT in service which those Park Slope folks will notice. 6) Having the V-train as an express to/from Church Avenue and/or Kings Highway whatever its trains per hour does not allow the folks to scream about "less frequent express trains" since they have not had one in 25-30 years. Nor are there "surprised faces" when the train does indeed run express. Yes, some folks would love the F-train to be both express in Queens and Brooklyn. I'd rather see something achievable - that the political types won't shut down because the residents are not pleased - a half a loaf of bread when you are hungry is better than your dreams of a steak dinner with salad, and an empty stomach. Frankly I would not "mess with the F-train" in this endeavor. Mike |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 16 16:02:53 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 16 15:57:02 2007. correct plan, I second |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Sep 16 16:31:23 2007, in response to F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Chipper10 on Fri Sep 14 07:14:44 2007. An interesting article...http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/36/30_36editorial.html As it points out, an F express would screw over Carroll Gardens and Park Slope riders, who just happen to be the majority of the ridership on the line... |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sun Sep 16 16:37:38 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 16 15:57:02 2007. I agree for that's what killed the (F) express in 1976. Enough riders complained about the transfer at Bergen Street and Park Slope does love the (F). Having the (V) operate express in Brooklyn might finally earn this route some respect if not love. |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Sun Sep 16 17:43:36 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by R30A on Sun Sep 16 16:31:23 2007. From the article:And those platforms will become even more crowded, if the Metropolitan Transportation Authority fails to add new F trains into the proposed express/local mix. The problem of adding "new (F) trains" is easily resolved...by extending the (V) past 2nd Ave. The extended (V) will be the "new" (F). Because Manhattan-bound local and the express trains will be forced into the one-track bottleneck at York Street, there may not be enough capacity to add trains. In the same way that, say, the (A) and (C) share trackage from Chambers to Hoyt-Schermerhorn? Now, combined (F)/(V) service is more frequent than combined (A)/(C) service, but last I checked, 15 (F) trains peak plus 9 (V) trains peak = 24 TPH peak, or a train every 2.5 minutes. Tight window? Yes. The real question is how many trains can the Rutgers tubes handle? THEN one can determine whether squeezing 24 TPH worth of service through Rutgers would be feasible. As it points out, an F express would screw over Carroll Gardens and Park Slope riders, who just happen to be the majority of the ridership on the line... If the (V) is extended Carroll Gardens and Park Slope riders won't be screwed over as much. Personally I'd rather the MTA combine the (M) with the (V) into one line and extend the (G) to the proper terminal at Church Ave, but that's just me. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 18:10:57 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 16 15:57:02 2007. Sounds better than my idea(s). Since I know someone who lives in Park Slope, those riders would prefer the F more than anything. V to Kings Highway sounds good. They could do what they already do on the 6 at Parkchester but the opposite. Have the F run to Coney Island-Stillwell and have the V run express to Kings Highway (peak direction, of course).In all, service would look like this: F - Jamaica-179th Street, Queens to Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn; Express in Queens, local in Manhattan and Brooklyn (All Times) G - Forest Hills-71st Avenue, Queens to Church Avenue, Brooklyn; local in Brooklyn and Queens (All Times) V - Forest Hills-71st Avenue, Queens to Kings Highway, Brooklyn (Rush Hours Only) Express in Brooklyn. Peak direction south of Church Avenue (northbound in AM, southbound in PM). Other times terminates at Lower East Side-2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sun Sep 16 18:52:03 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:33:52 2007. I would say have the V run to Church all day, and early evenings as well. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sun Sep 16 19:00:47 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 18:10:57 2007. The line south of Church does not need more service.And as others have said, an express that ends at Church really does not benefit many people. That's what you do when there's no place else to turn it, and in that case, they would just keep it at 2nd Av. (though it would benefit those using the transfer at Essex, but not many others than that). Making the V express, and the only line to go past Church might work, and eliminate the need to turn some trains at Kings Hway because of lack of ridership. Then, the F would always be local, and then continue past Church at nights when the V doesn't run. Still, the problem moves from "when the F goes local" to "when it continues past Church". But those who argue that the V is a service cut for the local riders, south of 7th Ave. they would have the option of the G and then having the choice of F or V at 7th. (Don't even know what they plan to do with Bergen lower at this point). |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 16 19:16:26 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Eric B on Sun Sep 16 19:00:47 2007. If the F is the local then probably no need to reopen the ll. At Jay St they can decide to take the local or express. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Sep 16 19:38:01 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Sep 14 10:55:12 2007. Fundings for additional cars? Ha. Best solution is not to retire any fleets due to the 160's arrival.And the maintenance of the cars you don't retire requires -- guess what? -- funding. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Sep 16 19:40:30 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Sep 15 18:44:15 2007. Now, with Terrorism and such, putting that many cars on the tracks unprotected is not a good idea.
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 19:48:49 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 16 14:49:47 2007. I think it should serve 4th Avenue 24/7 as that connection to the (D) and (N) is essential to some riders. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 16 19:49:52 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by shadyelstation on Sun Sep 16 17:43:36 2007. The Rutgers Tunnel can handle the same amount of trains as the rest of the F/V-route.Why would anyone build a subway route where there is a drastic reduction in capacity in this case a subway tunnel? The builders of the IRT subway lines overall built their lines so that a train could pass once every 2 minutes, or 30 trains per hour in 1904. Why would the builders of the IND subways years later build in a lower capacity? The article in the Brooklyn Paper would be just the tip of the ice-berg if F-train service in Brooklyn was compromised in any way that the riders felt a reduction in service. I would love to see an express service along the Culver line, but I understand the political dynamics involved. That is why I suggest the plan proposed in a recent message. I fear that any plans that result in a reduction of service to politically connected folk will be killed. No matter the pretty maps folks get upset when their train service is cut. Mike |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 19:54:53 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 16 15:57:02 2007. If the (V) train was extended to Church, wouldn't it get a service increase to accommodate the new Culver riders? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Sep 16 19:59:59 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 19:54:53 2007. If the (V) train was extended to Church, wouldn't it get a service increase to accommodate the new Culver riders?What would be the point of flipping the number of TPH in the Brooklyn peak direction on the F and the V? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 20:09:04 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Sep 16 19:59:59 2007. What do you mean? I wasn't stating anything I was just asking a question. |
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Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Sep 16 20:20:03 2007, in response to Re: F train express in Brooklyn in 2008 a possibility?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 16 20:09:04 2007. Well, you could increase the frequency of the V to that of the F in that direction (and therefore decrease the frequency of the F to that of the V), but that would achieve nothing except extremely unbalanced service patterns (and doubtless some confusion). |
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