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Posted by South Ferry on Fri Aug 17 00:54:16 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by BMTLines on Fri Aug 17 00:32:36 2007. That's all giddy nice.... but has anything happened in reference to teh cops??? (other than teh 2 for 1 chocolatta special??) |
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Posted by South Ferry on Fri Aug 17 00:58:17 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by South Ferry on Fri Aug 17 00:54:16 2007. What purpose does recovering the pictures serve, IF THEY ARE NOT GIVING THEM BACK OVER to you??? I'd much rather they'd find the recording of the badges and make administrative moves upon evidence... but figgers, that's asking t00 much. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 01:03:53 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by South Ferry on Fri Aug 17 00:58:17 2007.  The first recording of the badge numbers was deleted. Recovering it proves that the deletion event happened after I first met them, though obviously before they left completely, disproving their potential claim that I'd deleted the pictures before I met them or something. Of course, the undeletion program just picked up everything that was on the card. Also, they might give them back. I need to talk to the supervisors. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Aug 17 02:46:17 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by BMTLines on Fri Aug 17 00:32:36 2007. I agree |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 17 05:55:07 2007, in response to Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 00:16:45 2007. and either one probably violates some rule of message board etiquetteNope. Starting a new thread would. But updating the old thread would not. So you did the right thing. No reason to make a big deal about it. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Aug 17 09:06:01 2007, in response to Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 00:16:45 2007. It is $30 and the software may come in handy some other time. You would waste more on filing costs and other assorted legal fees than you would receive in terms of a monetary judgment |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 11:52:22 2007, in response to Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 00:16:45 2007. Keep stickin' it to the man, bro. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 16:56:45 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by mtk52983 on Fri Aug 17 09:06:01 2007. But if he is successful, the legal fess and associated costs are recoverable by law. In fact according to a US Suprenme Court decision from sometime in the late 1970s, in a civil rights suit, reasonable and customary attorney's fees are also recoverable. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 17 17:13:26 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by mtk52983 on Fri Aug 17 09:06:01 2007. Well, if I filed a suit at all, it would be in small claims court, which has a filing fee of $15 and doesn't involve lawyers most of the time. (If I need a lawyer, I could ask a family member, perhaps; we've got a ton of lawyers in the family, though none are in the right area of law.) In any case, I'd be suing the cop responsible for the deletion, not the city, since the cop was, well, responsible for the deletion. It's not like she'd be unable to pay $30 (or $45, if I also try to recover the filing fee), and it wouldn't cause bankruptcy or anything. I can afford $15, and if I win, she can afford $30 or $45. I don't know how handy the software would be in general, though, since I'm utterly paranoid about accidentally deleting something, and have been known to octuple-check what I have on my computer under differing conditions just to be sure nothing's being lost. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 18 05:01:15 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 17 05:55:07 2007. I disagree, because of the difficulty of finding old posts, creating a new thread would not be bad but it would not be as good as reviving the old thread. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Aug 18 21:15:40 2007, in response to Re: Remember the Cop Incident? (Update!), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 18 05:01:15 2007. But he already had a link to his old thread. So of course reviving the old thread is far superior. |
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6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident) |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 16 02:08:12 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. As I said in a non-necropost in a more recent thread, I saw my cousin in person for the first time since the incident last April. She's a retired cop and also worked on the CCRB before it became all-civilian (and helped teach them cop terminology and procedures afterwards). She said it could take 18 months before this case is resolved, so I guess I'll be waiting another year. :( I also spoke with Investigator Cody about a week ago. (So this update's a week late. Sorry.) He'd said I was to expect a letter which I didn't get; when I called him about this, he said that the letter was to be expected some time after the case was closed. As my cousin hinted, that might be another year. I also asked about whether they could release the deleted photos that they recovered. Unfortunately, Mr. Cody said that I'd need to submit some weird application of some sort, and that officially, he can't even say they recovered anything, although I can guess they have something. I got the memory card back some time ago, but I still don't have the pictures. Updates will continue to be posted if anything actually happens. Unless people get bored with this or something. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Oct 16 02:17:06 2007, in response to 6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 16 02:08:12 2007. 'Unless people get bored with this or something'keep the info coming bored of it? nonsense! |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 16 05:08:11 2007, in response to Re: 6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident), posted by monorail on Tue Oct 16 02:17:06 2007. OK, then. Updates will be posted every few months, or whenever events progress. Or things happen. Either one. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 16 07:28:25 2007, in response to Re: 6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 16 05:08:11 2007. And the updates are appreciated.It sounds like someone was simply paranoid that day and doesn't want to admit to it (at least to me). |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Oct 16 08:15:20 2007, in response to 6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 16 02:08:12 2007. Updates are very much appreciated |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 16 08:56:41 2007, in response to Re: 6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident), posted by BMTLines on Tue Oct 16 08:15:20 2007. IAWTP |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 16 18:22:53 2007, in response to 6 Months In (Re: April's Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 16 02:08:12 2007. Have you tried contacting the news media to see if maybe some unfavorable and undesired publicity might urge the CCRB to move the proceedings ahead more swiftly and also in your favor? |
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FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident) |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 01:27:46 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Yeah, it's a many-months-old necropost, but it's regarding the same topic, so it kinda belongs in the same thread. This topic isn't quite up to internet speed, though. Anyway, I have no additional news regarding whether or not the cops who deleted all the photos and such will be held responsible for their actions. However, I have an update regarding the recovery of the photos themselves. I called Investigator Cody about whether or not I could have the photos back. Mr. Cody said that he couldn't officially tell me whether they even recovered anything at all due to strict nondisclosure rules for open investigations. Making the educated guess that they had something (given that the memory card was not reformatted and only barely overwritten), I asked whether I could get the photos. At first, he was unsure; the nondisclosure rules are very strict about the release of evidence in investigations, but the photos were my property and technically available to me by running an undelete of my own. Eventually, Mr. Cody said that he couldn't give me the photos that were undeleted from the memory card, and that if I wanted them, I would have to file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. This is annoying. Given that very little seems to be happening regarding the CCRB (at least as far as I can tell), I'm starting to give more consideration to suing the cops and/or the police department. I'd have to consult with a lawyer, of course, though. Even if it's unlikely that I'd be able to win much of a case, it might be worthwhile to sue anyway because filing a suit would allow me to subpoena things that would be useful as evidence, such as the cops' record books/incident reports from our "encounter" and - perhaps - the photos the CCRB is disinclined to release. In any case, Terrapin, please don't overwrite the memory card for now. I'll let you borrow one of my cards if you really need the space. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Nov 22 02:15:46 2007, in response to FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 01:27:46 2007. thanks for the updategood luck whichever path you decide to continue with |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Thu Nov 22 04:37:51 2007, in response to FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 01:27:46 2007. Don't give up. Good luck. |
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Posted by HarryP on Thu Nov 22 07:38:25 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by monorail on Thu Nov 22 02:15:46 2007. Nilet,don't give up. It is quite obvious that you are being stone-walled.It would be in your best interest to bring suit, naming the NYPD, City Of NY,and the MTA as defendants. This will force their hand, and if you are sucsessful (most likely they settle out of Court), this will lead to new protocols in dealing with handling of civilian complaints in the future. This has to be addressed. Consult an attorney as soon as possible. Good luck! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 12:59:58 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by HarryP on Thu Nov 22 07:38:25 2007. Stonewalled? Perhaps. Incompetence? Perhaps.Low Priority? Definitely. Lack of Interest? Assuredly. Worth the time and effort on the part of the city/NYPD? Not. Worth the time and effort on your part? Probably not. Your Choice. ROAR |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 13:35:49 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 12:59:58 2007. To do nothing is to protect the patriot act. Republicanism thrives when good people do nothing. Lawyers are here to defend your freedom but you need to support them and use them. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 14:30:02 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 13:35:49 2007. The LION's advice was of course pragmatic.Cut your losses and get on with life. Of course *someone* needs to stand up to this STOOPITITY, and if he is willing to do so he certainly has my (moral) support. Mayhap if I lived in the city, and had money of my own, I might find some other support to lend to his cause as well. It is not a matter of "Republicanism" which supports the independence, dignity and sovereignty of the individual. If you want a real nightmare, just you wait until Hillary takes over, then GOD HELP US! ROAR |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 14:34:49 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 14:30:02 2007. Yeah, maybe the working class won't be boned all the time and wave the flag while their kids are sent to die in a war that will never end which a REAL president would have fought from his desk in 15 minutes. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Nov 22 16:33:14 2007, in response to FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 01:27:46 2007. GOOD!Good luck on all of this! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 17:39:58 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 14:34:49 2007. Working Class.Last I saw, Bill Gates *worked* for his money. ROARING |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 18:35:01 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 17:39:58 2007. Last I saw, Bill Gates *worked* for his moneyAnd how well do you know Bill Gates? Last I saw, he bought operating systems and programs for bottom-dollar instead of inventing anything (MS-DOS from QDOS which was developed by Seattle Computer Products, GUI graphical-user interface from Xerox; MS Office was cobbled from his imitations of WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3 and dBase). |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 18:55:04 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 17:39:58 2007. Working Class.Last I saw, Bill Gates *worked* for his money. Bill Gates is also a liberal atheist.... |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Nov 22 20:15:00 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 13:35:49 2007. << To do nothing is to protect the patriot act. Republicanism thrives when good people do nothing. >>LOL! Once again you confuse the issue with facts. Typical liberal spew. The overwhelming majority of Senators and Congressmen voted to pass the Patriot Act. There were 98 senators who voted "yea". The Democrat most likely to be the party nominee for President in 2008 (Hillary) voted "yea." In the House, there were 357 congressmen who voted "yea" (211 Republicans and 145 Democrats) and 62 who voted "nay" (3 Republicans and 67 Democrats). |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Nov 22 20:15:00 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 18:35:01 2007. I think that is the key to making money. No one working in a mailroom ever became rich.As long as you can afford a place to live with your flaky wife and idiot kids, happiness and going about your day is another issue. To each his own. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 20:16:09 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 12:59:58 2007. Worth the time and effort on your part? Probably not.No, it probably is. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Nov 22 20:17:16 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Dave on Thu Nov 22 20:15:00 2007. 59 Democrats, not 67. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 20:20:40 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 18:55:04 2007. Why exactly is that poignant? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 22 20:29:37 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 12:59:58 2007. Worth the time and effort on your part? Probably not.Why not? We need more people like Nilet who will file complaints and lawsuits every time a cop harasses them for photography. Only when the cost to the municipality of harassing photographers exceeds any benefit gained will the harassment stop!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 20:36:31 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 20:20:40 2007. Why exactly is that poignant?He worked for his money, and identifies more with the poorer "working class" than people born rich. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 20:38:23 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 20:36:31 2007. How does that relate to being liberal and atheist?And who said he worked for his money? He invented nothing; other people invented what MS touts as its own. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 20:39:59 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 20:38:23 2007. How does that relate to being liberal and atheist?Liberals advocate for the poorer "working class;" conservatives try to make the rich richer. Atheists seem to be stereotypes as "liberal;" I guess, since the Republicans hate atheists. |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 20:40:11 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 22 20:16:09 2007. EVERY TIME a cop loses his job over the way he treats the public, WE THE PEOPLE are FREER. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 22 20:52:23 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 20:38:23 2007. He was an astute businessman - he was at the right place at the right time and knew how to make deals. IIRC MS-DOS which started it all was not even his invention - he knew IBM was working on a personal computer and provided an operating system he purchased from someone else. In fact the person who created the OS only got a fixed price from Gates for it - the actual inventor never profited from its subsequent success. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 20:57:47 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 18:35:01 2007. So? He still had to WORK at it.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 20:59:01 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 20:39:59 2007. There is nothing wrong at all with the rich becoming richer.What I want to see is the poor becoming richer. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 21:01:35 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 22 20:52:23 2007. Not only that, but Bill Gates did not want to do the OS, and reffered IBM to someone else. When those people stood up the IBM people, they came BACK to Bill Gates, and so he acquired the rights (non-exclusive at first) did some work on it and sold it to IBM.Think of it: If they did not come back to Bill, we might all be using the CP/M system. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 21:10:54 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by BMTLines on Thu Nov 22 20:52:23 2007. He was an astute businessman - he was at the right place at the right time and knew how to make dealsI'll never deny that. How admirable that trait is, I'll refrain from expressing my views on. I'll let this bit speak for itself: In fact the person who created the OS only got a fixed price from Gates for it - the actual inventor never profited from its subsequent success. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 21:12:50 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 22 20:39:59 2007. Liberals advocate for the poorer "working class"Supposedly. What I've seen of "liberals" is highly non-unified. Would you have called Theodore Roosevelt a liberal, due to his pro-union and anti-business corruption stance? Atheists seem to be stereotypes as "liberal;" I guess, since the Republicans hate atheists. That's a highly generalized statement. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 21:13:10 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by BIE on Thu Nov 22 20:40:11 2007. But the cops are Democrats, not Republicans.ROAR |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Nov 22 21:15:59 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 21:01:35 2007. Think of it: If they did not come back to Bill, we might all be using the CP/M system.Considering that UNIX was being used, and what PARC had already developed, we might have been much better off if Microsoft never got into the OS business. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 21:17:48 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 20:59:01 2007. There is nothing wrong at all with the rich becoming richerHow do you separate that from the rich becoming greedier? Not to mention, how do you reconcile that with Matthew 19:21 and Mark 10:21? What I want to see is the poor becoming richer Are you saying that riches materialize spontaneously, so that everyone can get richer perpetually? The rich get richer by snatching riches away from the poorer; this is how it's worked during the whole human existence. Please reconcile that with the verses mentioned above. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 22 21:19:03 2007, in response to Re: FOIA For Photos (Originally Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 21:10:54 2007. He sold the product to someone else. He asked and received a price. If he can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, than it is his affair.Microsoft buys a lot of properties to incorporate into their products. You see a good Idea, and you want it for yourself, you buy the company. That *is* how PRR acquired the LIRR and thus built tunnels from Sunnyside to NYP. ROAR |
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