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Posted by monorail on Sun Aug 5 13:25:01 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 10:39:42 2007. yes |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 13:35:51 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by monorail on Sun Aug 5 13:25:01 2007. You are a sick man. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 14:35:55 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Canton Viaduct on Sun Aug 5 13:09:44 2007. Nah ... you MISSED it! Heh. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Aug 5 16:33:14 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 13:35:51 2007. last week or the week prior, I wasn't up to par for a couple of days.But I'm feeling MUCH better now! |
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Posted by Alargule on Sun Aug 5 16:52:07 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by 9 local on Sat Aug 4 21:19:35 2007. "Unfortunately, there is no solution to your problem. (And no, there never will be, either)" |
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Posted by JohnL on Sun Aug 5 17:32:01 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 07:44:40 2007. To be fair, XP has fewer BSODs than 95/98, and they generally are caused by an errant hardware driver. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 17:39:35 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by JohnL on Sun Aug 5 17:32:01 2007. FEWER!?? My other windows is SHOT because of my video card driver, but when I installed XP in this hard drive, it works perfectly! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:47:40 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by JohnL on Sat Aug 4 21:48:55 2007. Hahaha! This one should end up in a computer mag... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 5 19:53:31 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:47:40 2007. I agree. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:55:54 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by JohnL on Sun Aug 5 17:32:01 2007. To be fair, XP has fewer BSODs than 95/98, and they generally are caused by an errant hardware driver.Still, there are far better ways of handling the window manager falling over:  |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 19:57:39 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:55:54 2007. You have Linux? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 19:58:30 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by 9 local on Sat Aug 4 21:19:35 2007. This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.Send Error Report Don't Send Error Report Ah, the Firefox has leaked so much memory that the entire system has seized up message. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 5 20:07:12 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 19:57:39 2007. Yeah Rail Blue is cool like that. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 20:41:29 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 19:57:39 2007. Yes. Although that wasn't my screenie -- I can't crash KDE that easily! Here's one of what I can see right now: Seeing as that's quite boring, here's a desktop, which is both slightly more interesting and slightly more of an online tradition:  (Apologies for the crap JPG format -- the PNG was 1.7MB!!!) |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 20:44:06 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 20:41:29 2007. hey, I see SBK's handle! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 20:52:24 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 20:44:06 2007. hey, I see SBK's handle!LOL! That rather sums up how interesting that screenie was... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 20:53:20 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 20:52:24 2007. yea! Awesome screenie, post another one! |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Aug 5 21:39:18 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Aug 5 20:44:06 2007. does he feel a breeze? |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Aug 5 23:23:30 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 5 20:41:29 2007. Very nice. I use Ubuntu (7.04 Feisty Fawn) with Gnome, and Beryl enabled. 1.86ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 250GB SATA HDD, nVidia GeForce 7300 LE. It runs VMWare Server flawlessly with a Vista installation for Photoshop CS3 usage. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Aug 5 23:29:47 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by 9 local on Sat Aug 4 21:19:35 2007. I keep getting those as well every once in a while, very annoying. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 6 01:47:25 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 5 02:33:48 2007. that's what deadlock means in pretty much any OS environment.But I don't think an English speaker would use the word "obtained" to describe this problem. Perhaps "reached" or "exceeded". |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 6 01:50:01 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by monorail on Sun Aug 5 16:33:14 2007. A sicko and a golfer! He sunk a hole in one whileworking on his putts. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Aug 6 01:57:24 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 4 21:31:21 2007. Sure why not? the front windows are overrated plus ppl hogging up the front car anyway. the side windows are fine and you have the car to yourself while everyone else are foaming at the front |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 6 06:57:52 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Grand concourse on Mon Aug 6 01:57:24 2007. The RFW is not overrated. |
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Posted by sitechboy on Mon Aug 6 09:52:38 2007, in response to Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 4 20:47:25 2007. 
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 6 11:11:00 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 6 06:57:52 2007. Yes it is. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Aug 6 11:28:29 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Clayton on Sun Aug 5 23:23:30 2007. Very nice. I use Ubuntu (7.04 Feisty Fawn) with Gnome, and Beryl enabled.This is, of course, to misquote Terrapin Station "worthless without pics"! ;-) 1.86ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 250GB SATA HDD, nVidia GeForce 7300 LE. And my hardware's far humbler than that -- the machine pictured is an Acer Aspire 3660 laptop: - 1.46GHz Intel (yuck!) Celeron M410 - 512MB RAM - 80GB IDE HDD - ATI Radeon 200M I picked it up on the cheap, and 40GB of my 80GB is a Windoze XP MCE partition. And my desktop computer is a veritable scrapheap, but it's at least got 200GB total of Linux partitions (again Kubuntu 7.04) mounted (all IDE) and an AMD chip of some antique variety. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Aug 6 11:29:41 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by sitechboy on Mon Aug 6 09:52:38 2007. 404 |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 6 11:48:07 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 4 20:56:26 2007. Isn't that the same message that flashes across T/Os foreheads after 25 years? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 6 11:49:22 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 4 21:21:02 2007. 160s have Windows NT |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 6 11:51:20 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 6 11:49:22 2007. I thought they had Linux, but I did not know about NT, but thanks for the info. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 6 11:55:26 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 6 11:51:20 2007. haha, TA? Linux? I don't think so. Maaaaaybe on their servers, if at all. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 6 12:03:19 2007, in response to Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 4 20:47:25 2007. Its another way of saying FUBAR. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 6 12:03:43 2007, in response to Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 4 20:47:25 2007. Maybe its a cousin of Max Headroom? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 6 12:05:36 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 6 11:55:26 2007. It's weird why they chose that type of operating system. But I think NT is like a work/special operating system. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 6 12:17:35 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 6 12:05:36 2007. It's not weird. My guess is that they chose NT because it was the most robust, stable, version of Windows available when they started development on the cars (maybe going back to the R-143s). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Aug 6 13:13:09 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 6 12:17:35 2007. That would be true. Plus NT has tons of commercial software written for it and that makes it an obvious choice (I'm not saying it's the only choice) for a use like this where you want to go with well known vendors and widely supported platforms. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 7 04:06:37 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 6 11:11:00 2007. IAWTP |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 05:35:18 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by sitechboy on Mon Aug 6 09:52:38 2007. Hahaha very good!!! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 05:39:30 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 6 11:55:26 2007. haha, TA? Linux?Somehow I could see the BMT using Linux if it were still around, whilst the IRT would buy something horrendous and proprietary that lost them money hand over fist. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 7 05:56:50 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by sitechboy on Mon Aug 6 09:52:38 2007. Heh. Since it's geocities and they'll pull it if more than ten people visit in a day, won't be spoiling it by saying it's LOVELY! :)Red LED sign on roofline alternating: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US Thank you for riding MTA-NYC Transit (posting this just in case it 404's on folks, VERY well done!) |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 06:10:40 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 7 05:56:50 2007. Heh. Since it's geocities and they'll pull it if more than ten people visit in a day, won't be spoiling it by saying it's LOVELY! :)The temporary solution.  The permanent solution: find a better free host (there's a hint somewhere on this page)! |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 7 06:16:37 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 05:39:30 2007. The IRT would be using DOS 2.0 running on altaire 8086s. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 7 06:36:16 2007, in response to Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 4 20:47:25 2007.  |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 7 07:06:33 2007, in response to MIRRORED Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 06:10:40 2007. Heh. THANKS, m8! KEEPER! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 7 07:14:34 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 7 06:16:37 2007. Them MITS Altairs (I used to own one) were PERFECT for light shows ... :) |
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Posted by sitechboy on Tue Aug 7 09:57:37 2007, in response to MIRRORED Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 06:10:40 2007. thanks for giving my work a better home :)I take it googlepages provides more bandwidth? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Aug 7 10:07:55 2007, in response to Re: MIRRORED Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by sitechboy on Tue Aug 7 09:57:37 2007. I take it googlepages provides more bandwidth?Yes. I don't even know *if* there is a limit, which probably shows how useful it is. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Aug 7 22:04:32 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 5 06:05:24 2007. A "Program has performed an illegal operation" message means the offending app got ejected for pissing off the OS. It does not mean the OS is falling over.User-mode applications on NT/2k/XP/Vista simply cannot crash the OS by themselves, if the system's components are on the HCL. They are pretty much free to crap themselves and be ejected as much as they care to be. The only BSODs I've encountered over the last 15 years on over 10,000 machines at my clients have been due to hard failure of the system boot drive or defective/substandard video or network cards, shoddy drivers for writing to DVD drives. I never went the Win9x route, so I can't speak to that platform. The only other thing that could be wrong is you managed to get your system compromised and there's malware in there hosing things on you. IAE, make sure your hardware and software are certified for XP, do a clean boxgen from original distribution media, a good AV program running, and never, ever install or launch something from a source you cannot verify as trustworthy. (And, before people tell me Macs don't have trouble like this, my other half, who's a rabid Machead, has had nothing but a living hell with the box locking up at least 3 times a day for the last 2 months. Go figure.) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 7 23:15:52 2007, in response to Re: Max Deadlock Obtained, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Aug 7 22:04:32 2007. Blue screens in NT progreny are indeed rare and almost always the result of a badly written driver clobbering another one or just plain walking off the plank. In kernel mode, the kernel itself doesn't manage memory and you have to be PERFECT in doing so in your own code. I write code for a living."Illegal operation" is an interesting one because here, it CAN be the fault of the code, but more often than not it really is windows unless it happens at the same place every time in a proggie. Here's what goes on behind the scenes since most of them are 0x00000005 errors, or "buffer overflow." A program is merrily going along until it uses up a block of memory and needs some more. At this point, windows will "raise an exception" to which the kernel is supposed to jump in an "page in" more memory and page out the old memory which is still in use (also known as a "swap"). The FIRST exception call usually will swap in the memory but if windows can't find it, it becomes an "unhandled exception." The program can EXPECT this and try the call again but more often than not, windows will not find more space the second time it's asked to and up comes "Illegal operation" when the kernel is at fault. It can also occur if the program calls memory or a handle that it closed and is no longer valid. But more often then not, it will be windows that bombs unless the error occurs at the same place on the same call every single time you do that. Then it's the program's fault. XP and Vista are even MORE scrooched in that they've added another layer of "rotsa ruck." It's called "not responding" and is definitely windows being hosed. Here, windows now pings a running program every x amount of seconds. If you TOUCH it while it's busy in an uninterruptable thread (heavy calcs) then windows will pop up a "not responding" making you think the proggie's died (sometimes it really has) when it actually hasn't. If you cancel, it might actually HOSE the program and it really will be dead. This is called a "deadlock." The deadlock occurs because windows will throw its thread onto the stack and in doing so can often replace the return pointer with its own. Now the program doesn't know its return pointer, overwrites the windows pointer trying to find its own and now you have deadlock because neither thread knows where to exit to. Now back to our train, already in progress. :) |
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