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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 9 21:04:35 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 18:23:13 2007.

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Apparently, it doesn't apply at Boston South Station either, but two asshole MBTA rent-a-cops refused to accept that I'd made a simple mistake of jurisdiction and proceded to violate the fourth amendment and ask for my name, social security number, and mother's maiden name!

Heh, I would have assumed they were identity thieves immediately if they weren't in uniform, and even then, I tracked them down and demanded ID from them to prove they were really cops.

Of course, they also asked me what country my great-grandparents were from, why I said I was here in the US in February when I had a museum ticket proving I was in Europe in July, why I hadn't inexplicably mentioned the bullet train in Japan when I said I was a railfan, where my passport was currently located, and who won the world series in 1959. (I didn't know where all of my various great grandparents came from until I asked out of curiousity while describing this encounter later, they may have been confused by a ticked from a French museum dated 2/07/06 or July 2nd by European conventions but February 7th by American, I hadn't mentioned the bullet train because it would have been wildly out of context, my passport was at home because I was in Boston, not Paris, and I made the last one up. If they'd really asked me, I would have said: "Not the Red Sox.")

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 21:38:46 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 18:23:13 2007.

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What policy? nycsubway.org says that photography from the platforms is allowed.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 21:51:57 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 21:38:46 2007.

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the policy I sent Dave and that you see there. only ticketed passengers are allowed on the platform. i didn't have an amtrak ticket at Newark Penn.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 22:15:54 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 21:51:57 2007.

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Amtrak doesn't seem to have that same policy in LA. They make announcements that only ticketed passengers are allowed on the trains, but I've never heard anything about the platform.

Amtrak can be a little funny. They don't seem to care about photographers at Union Station in LA. I've seen several photographers on the same platform before. What they do seem to care about is people being on the platform before they actually announce the track. I've never seen them tell anyone to leave, but I get the definite impression that they don't want us passengers up there.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 22:22:43 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 22:15:54 2007.

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Well that is the official policy of Amtrak, as told to me by the Amtrak spokesman. Only ticketed passengers are allowed on the platform, and if you are allowed on the platform because you have a ticket for that train that is boarding, you are allowed to take photos. You can also take photo on board and as you detrain.

If Amtrak chooses not to enforce that policy in certain places, that's great. But the policy is in place, so if they tell you to get off the platform because you don't have a ticket for that train, then they are following policy.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 22:57:24 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 22:22:43 2007.

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Then that's good to know. Thanks. They're all cool in LA, but I may not find it to be the same everywhere.



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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by chuchubob on Mon Jul 9 23:04:42 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 22:57:24 2007.

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At 30th Street Station in Philadelphia, tickets are checked before access to the platforms is permitted.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 23:21:13 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jul 9 23:04:42 2007.

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Has it always been like that or was that a response to 9/11?

Our tracks are still like the way that airports used to be. Remember when you could wait with someone right at an airport gate before their flight? Give them a kiss and a wave as they walked down the jetway? Or meet them right at the gate when they got off the plane? That didn't really stop for good at all airports until 9/11.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 9 23:23:10 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 22:22:43 2007.

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I've been to the Amtrak platform at Penn Station without a ticket.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 23:28:21 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 9 23:23:10 2007.

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Of course. Anyone can. And that's because NJT and/or LIRR use the same platforms! So they can't restrict access to the platforms.

Also, I believe that if you read the rules of conduct posted around Penn Station, there is no mention of photography.

So I really don't know how Amtrak's photo policy would come into play there.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 23:51:03 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 23:28:21 2007.

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Metrolink and amtrak can share the same platforms as well. I guess that might explain it for us as well. But they usually don't so maybe not.

The only time that I specifically asked an amtrak employee if I could take pictures his response was "sure, what do I care?" I was assuming that was their official policy. ;)

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 10 00:26:43 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Easy on Mon Jul 9 23:51:03 2007.

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you can get harrassed at union station
does happen from time to time

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 10 08:30:45 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 9 18:23:47 2007.

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Heh,Heh,Heh ;-)
Karl M

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 10 08:31:50 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 9 16:03:33 2007.

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Whatever.....Karl M

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 10 08:39:37 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 10 08:31:50 2007.

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We can have an intelligent discussion about this. We were...why are you giving up now? I'd really like to hear your serious response to what I wrote about photographers acting like terrorists ruining it for all photographers.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 10 08:41:04 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 10 08:39:37 2007.

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go away troll

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 10 09:19:08 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 10 08:41:04 2007.

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nope. In fact I'll post more. Thanks.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:02:47 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 10 08:41:04 2007.

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Hey! No flaming! Be nnice!

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:05:15 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:02:47 2007.

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Oops, that's "nice." Stupid public computer has a bad keyboard.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Jul 10 10:07:36 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:05:15 2007.

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Stupid public computer

Is that what's behind the handle change?

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:16:12 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Jul 10 10:07:36 2007.

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Jury Duty

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 10 10:25:03 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:02:47 2007.

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I'm not flaming I'm stating a fffact.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 10 12:13:57 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 10 10:25:03 2007.

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OK, if I were living in that police controlled state then I would do what it takes to photograph what I'd like to have photos of, yes I'd take the chance BUT that's ME !!!!!I wouldn't expect anyone else to do this but in my mind I would, call it what what you want but laws are meant to be broken...so goes an old saying, IF there were anti photography laws out here then I definitely do what I had to to get the photos I wanted. Karl M

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 10 12:16:45 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jul 10 12:13:57 2007.

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I agree. Rules are made to be broken.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by LA Blue Line on Tue Jul 10 12:39:16 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 10 00:26:43 2007.

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I'm only talking about the Amtrak platform.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by LA Blue Line on Tue Jul 10 12:58:33 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jul 6 12:20:51 2007.

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Sounds like perv photography 101. No thanks. Someone taking pictures in this manner IS suspicious.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 15:02:49 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Nilet Too on Tue Jul 10 10:16:12 2007.

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Longer answer: Yes. I'm posting from a public computer in the court while waiting to be called. I can only get computer access for 20 minutes at a time, and the last computer I was on had a bad keyboard which forced me to delete and retype everything until I just gave up and allowed a few mangled posts to reach SubChat uncorrected. This computer's better; I can even type out the HTML to make my logo without severe annoyance. I have a duplicate (and expendable) account for use on public computers, especially like this one; I can't get access into where it stores its cookies, so I can't wipe my login information when I'm done. I doubt there are any SubChatters on jury duty in the same court today, or anyone who would know enough about SubChat to visit and be malicious enough to post in my name, but I'm paranoid. Hence the pseudo-sockpuppet. If someone posts in my name, I can simply ask Larry to ban the duplicate.

Incidentally, due to the ban on photography inside the courthouse (don't worry, there are no trains here), I left the camera and camcorder at home. This is literally the first time in weeks that I ever left the house for any length of time without one or the other. I feel naked without them!

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:08:01 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 10 09:19:08 2007.

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At least you admit you're a troll. I see you're on the road to recovery.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 11 05:18:37 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:08:01 2007.

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what will you admit to being ??
come on sweethart
even a cave man can do it !!!
rofl

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:22:19 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 11 05:18:37 2007.

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Why do you keep calling me sweetheart? You trying to tell us something, hmmm?

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 11 05:24:36 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:22:19 2007.

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Not US, but YOU :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 11 05:30:30 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 11 05:24:36 2007.

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LOL


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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:39:20 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 11 05:24:36 2007.

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Oh lord, I might turn straight!

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 11 05:41:54 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:39:20 2007.

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so !!
now we know !!

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:46:20 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:39:20 2007.

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Know what? Not much that's a given

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:47:48 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 11 05:41:54 2007.

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Know what? Not much that's a given

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 11 08:18:51 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:08:01 2007.

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You're stupid.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Jul 11 08:45:29 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by LA Blue Line on Tue Jul 10 12:58:33 2007.

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Not really, no more than taking quick photos and leaving in a hurry...now THAT'S suspicious.....Karl M

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 11 09:11:52 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 8 00:59:26 2007.

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Hm, you can't be arrested unless you break the law, and there's no law against photography. At most, you'd be violating the terms of your ticket contract with the Port Authority.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 11 10:06:42 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Jul 6 12:20:51 2007.

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Then there's that 1960s Secret Sam getup, with a hidden camera inside a briefcase.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 11 10:26:11 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 11 10:06:42 2007.

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LMAO!! I haven't thought about that since the 60's! Damn that's funny!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 10:28:02 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 11 08:18:51 2007.

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AND YOU NEVER MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS, WEASEL, YENTE BOY

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 10:29:55 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 05:08:01 2007.

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Doctor Rons diagnoses of you is ON THE MONEY.

Weasel yente, boy.


Larry, he's making fun of me. Delete reef this thred. please. waa waa waa.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 10:30:44 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 11 08:18:51 2007.

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Doctor Rons diagnoses of you is ON THE MONEY.

Weasel yente, boy.


Larry, he's making fun of me. Delete reef this thred. please. waa waa waa.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Nilet Too on Wed Jul 11 10:38:35 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 11 10:28:02 2007.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 11 13:00:57 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 11 10:26:11 2007.

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How about Agent Zero M and all those fancy gizmos such as the Radio Rifle, Shapshot, Pocket Shot and Jet Coder Pen? I still have a Pocket Shot (a cap pistil disguised as a pocket knife) that I bought back in 1966 or thereabouts.

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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Jul 11 17:57:56 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 7 23:05:35 2007.

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Here is one that has some pics from the protest



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Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 11 20:08:18 2007, in response to Re: So You Want To Get A Photo Permit?, posted by BMTLines on Wed Jul 11 17:57:56 2007.

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Thank you!!!

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