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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 14:31:58 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:30:54 2007. Exactly, the 60th St tunnel is probably one of the fastest, or at least feels like it! |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Thu Jul 5 14:32:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007. The R train would get to maybe about 23rd or 14th Street in 47 minutes.False, at least according to MTA's timetables, which show approximate travel time between Woodhaven Blvd and Canal St to be 37-39 mins. And there is absolutely no way in any country or any planet or any galaxy or any universe those shitty R46's can go up to 60 MPH, no way, no matter what you say it is just plain impossible. R46's are not "shitty", and as for them going 60 MPH, can you say 60th Street Tunnel? |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:33:08 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:30:54 2007. The R doesn't get to go the whole length fast, it has to stop to make that track switching.Unlike the N, which does not have to stop at the middle of the tunnel to switch tracks. I have ridden that tunnel before, but on the N not the R. |
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Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train? |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007. If you are a regular rider of it like me you would absolutely HATE it!You have no clue how horrible that R train is it never comes on time, and it's so damn slow too! They really should make the V train run on weekends, to make up for that shitty R train |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:38:36 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:33:08 2007. What are you talking about? Have you ever ridden the train to Manhattan because after that switch into the 60th Street Tunnel its a straight run into 59th.The R doesn't stop in the middle of the tunnel to switch. It still picks up speed (not as fast going Manhattan bound) and the only things slowing it down are a N or W in front of it and because the tower has to do the switch for the R right after the N/W crosses the switch to go above ground. And with small headways during rush hour, chances are that they have to slow down the R in order to do the switch, which is why you end up stopped in the tunnel on the R. If you take it at night (about 9PM) to Queens when the N isn't in front of it and has passed by at least 5 minutes before the R, its a fast run as the tracks are switched already. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:39:02 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007. The E gets me from Roosevelt to Chambers in about half an hour,The E takes more than half an hour to get to Chambers from there. your timing is horribly wrong. My timing comes from the MTA website as well as from personal experience. Your timing comes from personal opinion only. The R train would get to maybe about 23rd or 14th Street in 47 minutes. No it wouldn't. It would get from Continental to Whitehall St I suggest you check the schedule. And there is absolutely no way in any country or any planet or any galaxy or any universe those shitty R46's can go up to 60 MPH, no way, no matter what you say it is just plain impossible. Those shitty R46's are in way better shape mechanically than the R32's. Just ask Train Dude. Not to mention all subway cars can reach 60MPH in the 60th St. tube (with the possible exception of the R143 & R160's if they are speed governed). I can tell you've never ridden the E train anyway since you say it goes 30 MPH which is absolutely wrong, it usually goes 45 MPH going express. At least when I ride the E it goes 45 MPH. At least when I ride the E it goes 45 MPH. I take the E 6-7 days per week. The E only goes 45mph for a short stretch southbound past Roosevelt Ave. Otherwise the E never gets past 30-35MPH. And yes, I look at the speedometer every time I look out the RFW on the E. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:39:55 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. No they don't need to because the Excellent Express becomes the local holding up the R train on weekends because of track work! |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:43:06 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. How are you a regular rider when you advertise the Excellent Express as you're commute? How can you be upset for a local train to take you two stops to transfer to your E?If you hate it so much, stop riding the R and V and walk it to the E,F instead of being a hypocrite and riding something you don't like. If you hate that part of your commute so much, why not change it instead of being so mad at the R? |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:55:12 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. If you are a regular rider of it like me you would absolutely HATE it!I've been a regular rider for 8 years now. I take the E to work and on the way home I take the V to 71st and transfer to the E(unless I get a seat on the E or F(if I am at a 6th Ave station and transfer at Union Tpke)). It is much less stressful that way. You have no clue how horrible that R train is it never comes on time, The E never comes on time either. Almost no train in the subway comes on time. and it's so damn slow too! No it's not. The only places it is slow is the same place every other train will also be slow. They really should make the V train run on weekends, to make up for that shitty R train Actually, they should make the E run local on weekends. There is little need for 2 expresses when they are both emptier than the only local. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:58:18 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:55:12 2007. No!If they make the E run local on Weekends then there I might as well take the 7 train, at least I get a better view on the 7 train |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:59:17 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:58:18 2007. No!Yes If they make the E run local on Weekends then there I might as well take the 7 train, at least I get a better view on the 7 train Then you will just make your trip even longer than it is now. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:00:53 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:43:06 2007. Because in order for me to get to the Excellent Express I have to take the R to Roosevelt then take my Excellent Express!And no, I am not walking all the way to 71st Continental, the reason why I take the subway in the first place is so I don't have to walk! |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:01:47 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:59:17 2007. No, the 7 even though it's a local train it is very fast and efficient. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:13:50 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:01:47 2007. No, the 7 even though it's a local train it is very fast and efficient.That may be so, but your trip will take longer. It will actually take longer than if you switch to an express at Roosevelt due to the fact that your transfers take longer. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 15:15:24 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:13:50 2007. The 7 is fast, but it is the 10-20 minute wait on weekends due to usual construction which makes it unbearable. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 15:20:27 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:00:53 2007. Well, since you're near Forest Hills, why don't you just take the Q60 back to the F. Then you don't have to walk.You make the E seem as if its the fastest thing in the system when it really isn't. Let's see from the route from Queens to Manhattan. It's really quick to Forest Hills, but an F crosses it there. After a slow run to Queens Plaza, a V probably cuts in front of it so you get stalled again and after being freed up at 7th Avenue, you end up behind a C until, lets say, WTC, which is the end of the route! The only way the Excellent Express could be excellent is if the F went local and the E would be the only express route. But since the F will never go local, it will always be another express. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:44:26 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 15:20:27 2007. That's the problem, the MTA gives the E train little priority even though it's like the most popular train. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 15:48:30 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. I don't like the R particularly, but also am not going to accept an outright incorrect informtion (47 minutes between Roosevelt and 23rd, I mean really) as fact either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 15:50:38 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:33:08 2007. But you said that "you didn't think the piece of crap R46's could go 60 mph", and that's also not true as they DO in that tunnel. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:53:36 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:44:26 2007. That's the problem, the MTA gives the E train little priority even though it's like the most popular train.The E train should not get any more priority than any other train. Nor should any other train get more priority(except in situations that require it, such as scheduling). It also isn't the most popular train. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:53:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:38:36 2007. Well when I rode it stopped. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:54:28 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 15:50:38 2007. I'll be generous and say they go 50 MPH in that tunnel. But never 60. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:55:16 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:53:47 2007. Well when I rode it stopped.It never stopped anytime I rode it. I must have been lucky. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:57:23 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:54:28 2007. I'll be generous and say they go 50 MPH in that tunnel. But never 60.That's not being generous, that's being ignorant. Any train that uses that tunnel can go 60MPH unless they are governed(which only means the R143 and R160A/B might not be able to do so, but only because of software) |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:57:58 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:53:36 2007. Yes it is, it is the most crowded which means more people ride it therefore making it the most popular. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 16:00:24 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 15:57:23 2007. Fine, then, let me rephrase that."I'll be ignorant and say they go 50 MPH in that tunnel. But never 60". Happy now? |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Thu Jul 5 16:03:09 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:57:58 2007. Yes it is, it is the most crowded which means more people ride it therefore making it the most popular.Crowded, yes...but it's not the most crowded. I refer you to this post as proof. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 5 16:04:57 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. You mean the Ralph train?:) |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 16:07:26 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 15:57:58 2007. Yes it is, it is the most crowded which means more people ride it therefore making it the most popular.Actually, the 4,5,6, and L are more crowded(and the 3 is just as crowded). Look at the link in shadyelstation's reply to your post. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 16:08:11 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 16:00:24 2007. Fine, then, let me rephrase that."I'll be ignorant and say they go 50 MPH in that tunnel. But never 60". Happy now? No, because you refuse to believe the truth. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 16:12:17 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 22:47:34 2007. I always abandon the local for an express....but only if it just happens to be in or pulling into the station at the same time. Otherwise, there is no time savings. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Thu Jul 5 16:14:54 2007, in response to Re: Sending the V via the Williamsburg Bridge, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 4 03:12:35 2007. How might this idea be: rush hours to Kings Highway, middays to Church Avenue and evenings to Jay Street? All (F)s would become Coney Island and the Culver Line would have partial peak direction express service as the (V) would become the local. |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Thu Jul 5 16:20:50 2007, in response to Re: Sending the (V) via the Rutgers Street Tube, posted by E Line Fan on Thu Jul 5 16:14:54 2007. How might this idea be: rush hours to Kings Highway, middays to Church Avenue and evenings to Jay Street?To Kings Highway or Church...fine. But DON'T turn trains at Jay St...may cause too many congestion-related problems. Plus, if the plan is to run light to say, Church Ave, you might as well run it with pax the whole way. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 16:42:29 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:19:16 2007. Sometimes the <6> goes first at 177, other times the (6) goes first, usually depends on what gets there first. Sometimes you may have a chance to change platforms after an announcement tells you which train is leaving first.Around 7:30 each 6 runs every 10 minutes from BB until the <6> ends if if weren't for the worktrains, this pattern would likely continue until around 8:59pm from BB (9:27pm at 125 St) or 9:09pm from BB with a slight schedule adjustment (9:37pm at 125 St). 7:29 <6> PELHAM BAY PARK 7:34 (6) PARKCHESTER 7:39 <6> PELHAM BAY PARK 7:44 (6) PELHAM BAY PARK 7:49 <6> PELHAM BAY PARK 7:54 (6) PARKCHESTER 7:59 <6> PELHAM BAY PARK 8:04 (6) PARKCHESTER 8:09 <6> PELHAM BAY PARK 8:14 (6) PARKCHESTER 8:19 <6> PELHAM BAY PARK 8:24 (6) PELHAM BAY PARK 8:29 (6) PELHAM BAY PARK |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 5 16:45:05 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by shadyelstation on Thu Jul 5 16:03:09 2007. Crowding does not necessarily mean use.Capacity and frequency are also very important factors. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 17:06:59 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:55:12 2007. Too bad the (V) couldn't be extended to 179 St with the (F)... |
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Posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:11:53 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 17:06:59 2007. Hell no. |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Thu Jul 5 17:23:51 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 5 16:45:05 2007. That's very true. A line can have crappy headways and thus be crowded because of that.Incidentally, the lines with the highest crowding index as per the MTA stats also have frequent service. (Of course, that a line isn't crush-loaded doesn't mean that it has low ridership.) |
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Posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:30:01 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 14:55:12 2007. The E empty? You obviously haven't taken it. Regardless, there will be no weekend E local. I'm not having that. One Queens express line already got screwed. It's not happening again. |
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Posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:32:20 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 14:02:16 2007. Don't mind them. Some people think it is their divine right to tell other people what lines they should ride. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 17:35:21 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:30:01 2007. You obviously haven't taken it.I guess you didn't READ THE WHOLE THREAD before replying... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 17:35:45 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:32:20 2007. No one here thinks that, AFAIK. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 5 18:15:39 2007, in response to Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:35:45 2007. Let me tell you a tale..Of a Open Competitve T/O just like me who HATED the 1 train and that Deuce couldnt stand them.. Hated the Deuce Even More... All he talked about in Schoolcar how shitty those lines was and how slow they was.. All through his posting those times he worked on the 1 and 2 Lines he made it his Business to say how much he couldnt stand it.. On his "Wish List" he put the East Side ANY TOUR, ANY RDO... Guess what the Crew Office in thier "wonderful" way of doing thier business in making your life Miserable as Extra Extra did.. Put him RIGHT on Broadway on that 1 train and Deuce Scrapping the Wall to ZooLots and Flatbush on the LATE PM's the Worst Tour you can be on for Broadway Thats ALL he saw for 2 Years... Until one day it got the Best of Him... Used most of his Sick time, from Booking off beacuse he didnt want to work Broadway.. Was on board at White Plains at 1900 on his Friday, Picked up a Midnight job on that duece and REFUSED to work it using the worng words on the Phone.. Well after the MAC Center got through with him his whole tune changed.. The Bottom Line?? Deal with it things that you have no Control Over or dont Deal with them at all.. Unless you can change it.. Rememeber those words young man beacuse sooner or later in life you will come across something just like that. I kid you not... |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Jul 5 18:19:21 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 5 18:15:39 2007. Well spoken *T*R*U*T*H*! |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 19:00:36 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:32:20 2007. Some people think it is their divine right to tell other people what lines they should ride.Which is exactly what you do. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jul 5 19:07:28 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 4 05:40:55 2007. If that can be done, that would be great and would severely increase flexibility whether the last part of the SAS in lower Manhattan gets built or not. As noted before, I would also include a connector if possibile to the Williamsburg Bridge that would allow for SAS serve from the Broadway Brooklyn line (as suggested before perhaps doing so with such trains going into a three-track 72nd street station that can serve as the terminal for perhaps a J or M train going uptown on second avenue. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 5 19:07:43 2007, in response to Re: Why do you guys LOVE the Rotten train?, posted by PATHman on Thu Jul 5 17:30:01 2007. The E empty? You obviously haven't taken it.The E is empty on weekends. You obviously haven't ridden it on weekends Regardless, there will be no weekend E local. I'm not having that. Get over yourself. You have no control over that. the E would be more useful on weekends if it was a local. One Queens express line already got screwed. No. Both expresses got improved. If you actually took other people's commutes into consideration, you would understand that. |
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Posted by Zman179 on Thu Jul 5 19:25:53 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:38:36 2007. If the T/O is following the rules by waiting until the entire train has cleared the switch at the 11th Street Cut, the R train won't do more than 50 mph. |
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Posted by Zman179 on Thu Jul 5 19:27:07 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 16:00:24 2007. If an R46 was working on the N or W line, it would get to 60 mph. It's not the car, it's the terrain. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 5 19:34:03 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Zman179 on Thu Jul 5 19:25:53 2007. Thats why some of these "Speed Junkies" cant be T/O's..Theres a time to move the train then theres a time to MOVE the train.. A decent T/O knows when to do that.. Some still dont... |
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