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R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BusRider on Sat Apr 28 09:45:51 2007

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I am going to the city at the end of August,and i really want to take a picture of these cars. Where would i find them and what times?? Thanks!

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 11:11:03 2007, in response to R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BusRider on Sat Apr 28 09:45:51 2007.

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Any time on the E, you are bound to get the R32.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 11:19:59 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 11:11:03 2007.

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Not only on the E line,but they could also be found on the A,C,F and
R lines.



til next time

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 11:45:10 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 11:19:59 2007.

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Hope you know the car numbers because there are only ten of them.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 11:46:45 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 11:45:10 2007.

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10 R32's?! Are you kidding me?!!

There's like hundreds if not thousands of R32's, 10.

Ha ha, very funny

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 28 11:53:06 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 11:46:45 2007.

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He said 10 R32GEs not regular R32s as you know them.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Q35 Limited on Sat Apr 28 12:01:59 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 11:46:45 2007.

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There are only 590 R32's total, of course if you looked it up on NYCsubway you'd know how many there are.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 12:04:41 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Apr 28 11:53:06 2007.

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Oh, you mean those crappy ass fake shitty R32's. Sorry I missed that.

The R32 GE is usually on the A or C you just have to look out for it.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Apr 28 12:15:01 2007, in response to R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BusRider on Sat Apr 28 09:45:51 2007.

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I see them alot on the A at 59th around 3AM.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BIE on Sat Apr 28 12:31:32 2007, in response to R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BusRider on Sat Apr 28 09:45:51 2007.

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From nycsubway.org:

The GE Rebuild cars are: 3594-3595, 3880-3881, 3892-3893, 3936-3937, 3934-3935

Geez, Just give the guy the numbers.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 12:39:00 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 12:04:41 2007.

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No, they are scattered between 207th and Jamaica, which means they can appear on the A/C or the E/F/R. They do not run as a solid set anymore.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 12:48:32 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 12:39:00 2007.

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Fake R32 on the E?

Well at least its better than R46

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:04:31 2007, in response to R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BusRider on Sat Apr 28 09:45:51 2007.

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By August, probably on some reef in southern waters or waiting to go there.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:06:38 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:04:31 2007.

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Yay! The fake R32's will be gone soon!

Those crappy R32's are giving the R32 a bad image, they should be the first to go.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Apr 28 13:07:37 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BIE on Sat Apr 28 12:31:32 2007.

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but you know everyone's supposed to check up on nycsubway to find out for themselves

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:09:04 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BIE on Sat Apr 28 12:31:32 2007.

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3594-95 Are out of service
3880-81 & 3934-35 are on the E line (usually)
3892-93 & 3936-37 are assigned to the A & C lines

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:11:07 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:06:38 2007.

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Hey sparky, they are not fake R-32s. They were the first 10 to be overhauled during GOH in the late 80s. They (10) were done by Buffalo Transit while the rest (584) were done by Morrison Knudsen.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:25:10 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:11:07 2007.

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Well still either way I don't like them, they are worse than the R32's

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Apr 28 13:28:17 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:25:10 2007.

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Yeah if they are fake can you point them out if you see them?

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:30:13 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Apr 28 13:28:17 2007.

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Yes, of course!

Put it this way:

The real R32's are like real DVD's you buy in a store, the R32 GE's are bootleg R32's you buy on the train. There are many visible differences between the two.

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CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:31:30 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:30:13 2007.

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I meant bootleg DVD's you buy on a train, not bootleg R32's you buy on the train.

Damn how many corrections do I have to make in a day?!!

More proof why we need an edit button...

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 13:31:39 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:30:13 2007.

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What are the differences?

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:34:18 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 13:31:39 2007.

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Real R32's:
1. Have an R32 interoir
2. Car number outside plates are in Arial
3. Door close light is red
4. More quieter
5. Brighter inside

Bootleg R32's:
1. Have an R38 interior
2. Car number plates are in Arial Narrow
3. Door close light is orange
4. More noisier
5. interior is very dim

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Re: CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Apr 28 13:59:49 2007, in response to CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:31:30 2007.

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No, more proof that YOU NEED TO USE THE PREVIEW BUTTON.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 14:04:00 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:34:18 2007.

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OK, is this R32 a real R32 or a "bootleg" R32?

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 14:19:30 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 14:04:00 2007.

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Of course that's a pre-GOH R-32A now designated as an R-32GE.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 14:22:55 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:34:18 2007.

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The lists that you've compiled is just a load of railfan minutia. While, of course, you missed the most distinguishing feature of the car. The R-32 GEs have the original metal outline for the marker lights and end route and destination signs. The R-32 MKs have new stainless steel panels instead.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 14:27:37 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 14:19:30 2007.

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I know, I'm just being evil...

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 14:27:58 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 14:27:37 2007.

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...make that annoying. To Error.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 28 15:09:38 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 14:22:55 2007.

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Good point. Also, what does he mean by "bootleg?" Did a bunch of foamers secretly rebuild an R32 when the TA wasn't looking?

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by R30A on Sat Apr 28 15:43:00 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 28 15:09:38 2007.

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Bootleg has become a rough equivilant of ghetto in youth vernacular-- Even an official product, if viewed as cheap, can be referred to as bootleg, even if by official definition it is not

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 16:13:13 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 28 15:09:38 2007.

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Did a bunch of foamers secretly rebuild an R32 when the TA wasn't looking?

Not quite. They were originally Model-69A cars, although I sold 10 of them to NYCT because they were defective. I had to remove the pants and put on third rail shoes, as well as make them shorter and narrower, but the cost of doing that minus the sale price was cheaper than disposing of them or fixing them or letting them wheeze around.

Here's a rare photo of former 69A "R32" car testing on the NYC subway before service without a complete rebranding and renumbering.


BTW, the big circle thing was there to cover up the rusty hole caused by the water from the bathroom sink leaking out and corroding everything.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 16:17:09 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:11:07 2007.

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Not that it matters, but the M-K R-32s were overhauled in two phases. Phase I, then Phase II. The lower numbers were Phase I. I forget the exact split.

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Re: CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 16:18:40 2007, in response to CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:31:30 2007.

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Guess your handle is appropriate for you.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 16:30:04 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 13:09:04 2007.

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Anyone know why they are no longer operated as a single trainset? Is it because they can't get them all to operate at the same time? Are the two cars that are out of service, out for an extended period?

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 16:41:31 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 16:30:04 2007.

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Well, they're assigned to 2 different yards...

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Apr 28 16:52:00 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:30:13 2007.

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Yeah, that's what it's like...

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by metropod on Sat Apr 28 17:22:44 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 12:48:32 2007.

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you oppinion is noted, and discarded.

1. there are 600 cars.

2. at frist they were R32 (3350-3649) and R32A(3650-3949)-the R-32As came with Westinghouse Propulsion Packages while the R-32s came with GE SCM controllers.

3. The ENTIRE R32 fleet was built by The Budd Company. There are no "fake" 32s. However, when their General overhauls came in the late 80's, ten cars were sent to GE in Buffalo instead of Morrison Knudsen. those ten are the R 32 GEs. When the cars came back, they were split into three groups, Phase 1, phase 2 and GE

R32 Phase 1-(re-built by Morrison Knudsen) have WABCO Air Brake packages, GE Master Controllers (Throttle) and Thermo King HVAC units

R32 Phase 2- (also re-built by Morrison Knudsen) have NY Air Brake equipment, Westinghouse Master Controllers and Stone Safety HVAC units.

(phase 1 and phase 2 sets now compise mixed 32 and 32A making the old name moot.)




and now to give you nightmares



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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Q35 Limited on Sat Apr 28 17:23:03 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 16:30:04 2007.

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They could take the 8 remaining cars and run them on the C.

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Re: CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Q35 Limited on Sat Apr 28 17:23:39 2007, in response to Re: CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Apr 28 13:59:49 2007.

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Exactly.

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Re: CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by metropod on Sat Apr 28 17:24:50 2007, in response to CORRECTION Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:31:30 2007.

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"Before posting.. think twice!"

Larry didn't put that there becuase it looks nice


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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 17:30:14 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 11:45:10 2007.

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I already know there are only 10 R32GE's.




til next time

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 17:44:03 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by error46146 on Sat Apr 28 13:25:10 2007.

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The R32GE are the same as the R32 phase I and II.they may have
diffrences in terms of interior look and other stuff,but their still the same.all your doing is pretty much calling all R32 "bootleg".



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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 28 17:52:21 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 17:44:03 2007.

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NYCT doesn't (didn't) agree with you.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 18:30:11 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by metropod on Sat Apr 28 17:22:44 2007.

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Where was that photo taken?

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 28 18:32:17 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 18:30:11 2007.

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Meh.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 28 18:37:48 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 16:17:09 2007.

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"but the M-K R-32s were overhauled in two phases. Phase I, then Phase II. The lower numbers were Phase I. I forget the exact split.
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Wrong! There is no correlation between the car number and phase I or Phase II. The only correlation between phase I and Phase II is in when they were overhauled.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 19:55:08 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 28 17:52:21 2007.

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I didn't ask if the NYCT agrees with me or not.




til next time

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by LA Blue Line on Sat Apr 28 20:07:58 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by joe c on Sat Apr 28 19:55:08 2007.

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If you had you would not have posted that there are 10 when it has already been stated in this thread that there are only eight.

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Re: R32 GE Rebuilds

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 20:26:22 2007, in response to Re: R32 GE Rebuilds, posted by metropod on Sat Apr 28 17:22:44 2007.

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It never was "General" Overhaul. It always has been just "G" Overhaul to distinguish this heavy overhaul from previous lighter overhauls A through F. Level G was the highest and most comprehensive level undertaken by NYCT. One day someone decided that the G stood for General which it never did and that myth has been perpetuated all these years.

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