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Re: The MTA.INFO response |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Mar 22 12:50:46 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 11:54:03 2007. And your posts on here imply some kind of inability to deal with other people Ron. Ya know, like Aspergers Syndrome? I would really, really like to see you use the same self-important, obnoxious manner and tone you do here were you to speak to the unlucky recipient of your latest lecture in person. A grand says you wouldn't! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:59:14 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Deaks on Thu Mar 22 12:50:46 2007. Most people behave differently in person then they do over the internet. Faceless communication allows many to abandon the civility of interpersonal communication without any shame or embarassment. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Mar 22 13:23:54 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 21 21:23:52 2007. Operating doors is a repeative boring job. Mistakes happen on repeattive boreing tasks.They TA started the "saluting the board" in an effort to cut down mistakes. While it did cut down mistakes for awhile, wow pointing at the board is repeative in itself and mistakes started to climb again. Hence the door enablers being retrofitted on older cars and all new cars will have them. It is only a matter of time until the door enablers become repeatative and they have to think of something else. IMHO |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Mar 22 13:33:58 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:11:48 2007. you are just soo tolerant. |
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Re: TA Reading SubChat |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 13:40:30 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 22 11:40:06 2007. Yeah, I'm starting to use Unca Selkoik's phrases in real life. I've used a few in my notes during classes......It's only a matter of time before I use the term "proff." |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 13:41:45 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Mar 22 12:37:47 2007. They do. He's more compulsive than you are. 8-) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 13:42:27 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Deaks on Thu Mar 22 12:50:46 2007. "Ya know, like Aspergers Syndrome? "Is that your diagnosis? If it is, have you asked for help? :0) |
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Re: Myths about Corpus Linguistics |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 13:42:38 2007, in response to Myths about Corpus Linguistics, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Mar 22 10:59:39 2007. You didn't stop me from reading it.... |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 13:43:15 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:11:48 2007. LOL! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Mar 22 13:45:06 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Mar 21 22:13:41 2007. The VAST MAJORITY of those people want a job with job security and good benefits. They know that this is what the TA offers.I have to agree with you on this one - I have several friends who have no interest in trains but would like to work for transit because of the benefits. |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 13:48:27 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:06:28 2007. What about people wanting to get ON the train? How many of them would have been on the Manhattan-bound platform?Unfortunate for them, but like I said, not a safety issue. How about the elderly or handicapped who would have had extreme difficulty crossing under so they could get a local? Unfortuante, but again, how many can it possibly be? Most of those people on that train have to be able to traverse stairs anyway, as every single station on the 7 need people able to use stairs to use the line. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 22 13:49:00 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Mar 22 12:37:47 2007. I have met James and as almost always, Ron is 100% wrong. And until you stop humoring Ron, he will keep posting this kind of sh*t. Wake up. |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 13:49:39 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:29:14 2007. They should not have to pay a penalty for the conductor's mistake. They have a right to be pissed off.Big f'in deal. At rush hour 7 line headways? It couldn't be more than a few minutes. |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 13:50:45 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:03:05 2007. And it wasn't a safety issue then either. |
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Re: The MTA.INFO response |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 22 14:00:14 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by BMTLines on Thu Mar 22 13:45:06 2007. You don't need to have an interest in trains to be a station agent or a car cleaner or a station cleaner or an armed guard. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 14:02:13 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 22 14:00:14 2007. Yup. Or actually even for T/O or Conductor. The vast majoirty of operators or conductors probably have zero interest in trains....it's a job just like any other job. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 22 14:06:54 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 14:02:13 2007. I disagree. I think that the majority DO like trains, just not necessarily to the point that it is also a hobby of theirs. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Mar 22 14:41:47 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 22 13:49:00 2007. Fine, understood.It's my nature to defend people from false/slanderous statements. |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 22 15:08:39 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 22 11:45:24 2007. Yes. When the Arnines were running they would open up on both sides. There was a platform conductor operating the doors from the center platform while the Train Conductor operated the other platform.When the outside controls went away, so did the center platform. ROAR |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:37:45 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by IRT/O on Thu Mar 22 02:45:55 2007. T/Os eyes should be on the road aheadBefore you stop the train, the passengers are clearly visible "on the road ahead". You going somewhere with this? not the geese behind You trying to vindicate GBS? Attitudes like that mean stabbing the union brothers in the back. |
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Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:39:35 2007, in response to Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 22 03:20:35 2007. In a single cab, with the door closed, you're not hearing or seeing ANYTHING from the other side of the train. Trust meI don't buy that. What's more surprising is that, if the story is true, none of the customers exiting the train said anything to the C/R about it Which means the story's not true. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:40:18 2007, in response to Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:10:32 2007. Perhaps the story's a lie. My challenge has yet gone unanswered. |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:40:47 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:08:15 2007. Quiet, commie. |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:43:35 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by BMTLines on Thu Mar 22 09:15:34 2007. I almost fell into Coney Island creek thanks to a conductor who opened the doors too soonOh, come on. You sure you weren't just falling all over yourself thanks to all that partying you pride yourself in engaging in? |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:44:12 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:04:42 2007. You also support China to the detriment of the USA. How is your word credible? |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 22 15:47:30 2007, in response to GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 01:44:28 2007. Surely you jest. |
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Re: TA Reading SubChat |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 22 15:51:35 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 21 23:19:29 2007. The original alignment for the SAS had the 125th St. station directly under and parallel to the Lex station at 125th. I posted on SubChat (or SubTalk) that this should be changed to make it perpendicular, along 125th from Lex to Park, so that its concourse could be used to transfer more easily from the MNRR station, and to allow below ground transfers from MNRR to the Lex -- and also to allow for future extension of SAS along 125th.A few months later, the revised EIS came out, with exactly this change. So I am convinced MTA read this and adopted my idea. |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by subfan on Thu Mar 22 16:14:39 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 21 21:25:28 2007. Seems reasonable. Out of curiousity, though - is it technically considered a "wrong side" if the C/R opens on a side with an in-service platform and valid indicator board? If you think about it, if a C/R is on an unfamiliar line due to a re-route and is not in a full-width cab, the train pulls into a station, the C/R looks out the window and sees a platform with people on it, points to the board, and opens up - has he commited an infraction? I can see giving the guy an informal "hey, try to be more aware"-type talking to, but that would seem to be all that's warranted. Input from those that work in the system would be appreciated.subfan |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Mar 22 16:36:19 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:44:12 2007. his more than yours, br@h. |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Mar 22 16:38:05 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 22 09:59:20 2007. can't be Toussaint, can it?? |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 17:11:20 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Mar 22 09:25:56 2007. You can just stow that statementSure it was the C/R and not a mechanical failure? |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Mar 22 17:52:38 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Russ on Wed Mar 21 20:03:15 2007. I don't consider endangering the lives of passengers to be an honest mistake. This strikes me as gross incompetence. That conductor is the poster child for OPTO and should be reprimanded.How was this situation "endangering the lives of passengers"? The conductor opened the doors to an active platform. It was just the wrong platform. |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 18:20:56 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by mambomta on Thu Mar 22 17:52:38 2007. In New York, there is a balrog who feeds on the mice and alligators in the subway tunnels. She often nests and tends after her eggs on inactive platforms. Since she is a member of an endangered species protected by NYS law, the TA policy is to leave her be and just instruct C/R's not to open the doors onto the unused platforms.In this case, the balrog, had she been on the platform at the time and especially if the eggs hatched and she had little ones to protect, might have panicked and boarded the train. 8-) |
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Re: The MTA.INFO response |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 22 19:25:22 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Mar 21 18:35:28 2007. ["Maybe they should start doing what they have already done at Hoyt/Scherm and 59/CC. Install a "WRONG SIDE — DO NOT OPEN" sign at the C/R's position."]The problem with a sign like that is what do you do with the sign during the times the express is going in the opposite direction and the doors are opened on that side?
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Re: TA Reading SubChat |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 19:45:36 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 13:40:30 2007. Credit where credit is due ... "PROFF" was made famous on the chats by our own SalaamAllah ... quite a few folks here have come up with creative things that stuck here ... "brah!" :) |
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Re: TA Reading SubChat |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 19:47:12 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by monorail on Thu Mar 22 12:46:55 2007. Well-earned vacation at taxpayer expense. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 19:48:09 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 19:45:36 2007. Ah, OK.I wonder if I can start widespread use of the term "tadge." |
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Re: TA Reading SubChat |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 19:51:22 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 19:48:09 2007. ...For that matter, our family has tons of our own words. (If you're not a member of my immediate family, you will be baffled by references to "watermelons and cheesebarjers," whereas if you are a member of my immediate family, you will probably smile knowingly.) I wonder if I should try introducing some into the language at large. Or at least on SubChat. |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 19:51:47 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Thu Mar 22 12:29:44 2007. Heh. Be waiting to hear THIS one! :) |
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Re: Conductor opened the wrong side |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 19:53:14 2007, in response to Re: Conductor opened the wrong side, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 22 11:43:08 2007. Wasn't back there long enough I guess, but no ... never had a bad pop in the middle and never ran out of a station. But I was WILLING TO LEARN! :) |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 20:01:02 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 22 11:45:24 2007. Yep ... rush hours only at 59 ... platform conductor would get your offside for open and closedown as Lion sez ... they'd ALSO reach in and turn key and take care of it on 32's and such as well. Problem with the post war cars though is that there were injuries if indication came in and you took power and the platform conductor didn't have the key out of the hole and his arm out of the window fast enough. That was something you had to be VERY careful about when up front. And of course, they'd lose a LOT of keys either leaving with the train, falling on the tracks or plain old "panic mode" that the train might leave with their arm.Platform conductor didn't have any of those worries with arnines or artens ... |
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Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 20:04:15 2007, in response to Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 22 12:10:32 2007. Perhaps the conductor didn't give a flying fuck about anyone "pounding on the doors".Yeah, especially when he was on the other side of the train dealing with the doors on the other platform, not looking at the "correct" platform. How the heck is he supposed to see this supposed anarchy of "pounding on the doors" on the other side of the train? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 20:05:01 2007, in response to Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:40:18 2007. And the person appears to have disappeared from this thread after the first two posts... |
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Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 22 20:06:32 2007, in response to Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:39:35 2007. Which means the story's not true.Not necessarily, the people leaving really wouldn't care which side they get out of, unless some of them intended to get off for a local station. |
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Re: TA Reading SubChat |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 20:06:51 2007, in response to Re: TA Reading SubChat, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 22 19:48:09 2007. Use it early enough, often enough and make it fit as many situations as possible and it'll probably end up displayed in the masthead for the site. :) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 22 20:07:21 2007, in response to Re: The MTA.INFO response, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Mar 22 06:47:28 2007. Oops:That's right. I think of it as an "express" because I also often ride the Subway-Surface lines into Center City to 19th or 22nd street (which the MFL skips in both cases), and as a result, I forget the MFL isn't an express as I rarely ride it into the skip-stop areas. |
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Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Mar 22 20:11:06 2007, in response to Re: Conductor probably didn't open the wrong side, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 01:46:13 2007. No need to be so one-track minded. People make mistakes. Nobody's perfect.Just yesterday the T/O overshot Lex/53rd on the E by like 2 doors. Big deal. Honest mistake. Next time he'll know better (hopefully). |
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Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 20:35:05 2007, in response to Re: GBS made this up (Re: Conductor opened the wrong side), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 15:37:45 2007. Ummm ... no ... he's showing PROPER "professionalism" very clearly. Motorpeople have an ENTIRELY different view of geese on the platform. They don't CARE where any of them want to go, many of them really want the OTHER train that runs on those rails. What motorpeople look for and care about SOLELY is whether or not one of that crowd is going to do a swan dive in front of their train or fall or get pushed in front or maybe one of them is going to try to put a brick through your windshield. After that, spotting the 8 or 10 marker and stopping where you're supposed to so that your partner is on the board. As motorpeople, all you see is a sea of humanity and PRAY that none of them will throw or end up under your train. And you go through this at EVERY station stop. :(You're showing a rather nasty bias there by expecting that transit professionals aren't going to be THOROUGHLY professional in the "performance of their official duties" and if their partner screws up that they WON'T bang them in. If you let your partner slide, you're JUST as guilty as they are of malfeasance. Professionals do it RIGHT, PERIOD. But bear in mind also that with today's "quiet" trains, the person up front can't tell which SIDE of the train opens and closes and they're not going to put the brake handle in full service and let go of the controller to check up on it. Once the train is stopped, there's things to check and you sit there waiting for your indication light to come on so you can go to the next stop and worry about the crowd THERE once again. IRT/O is obviously like MOST people on the railroad, there to do their job, to do it safely and go HOME instead of "downtown." Ain't no stabbing here, just people doing what they're PAID to do. |
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Re: Myths about chat boards |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 22 20:41:05 2007, in response to Re: Myths about chat boards, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 11:47:07 2007. Just making a point i dont believe in two wrongs making a right.. |
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Re: Myths about chat boards |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 22 20:46:02 2007, in response to Re: Myths about chat boards, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 22 11:50:48 2007. Of coruse they can its a free country did i say he shouldnt?I dont have to agree with somebody posting it though right? Ron if you think im "worrying" about this you again just dont get it.. You keep on trying though sooner or later you will get it.. I got more important things on my mind that i can tell you maybe one day i will let you in on a few things.. Maybe.. |
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