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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jan 9 23:37:20 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 9 23:10:30 2007.  But some do browse from mobile devices from time to time. And like the purpose of this thread, you introduced a phone that can surf the web. While the iPhone's screen can zoom in and out and fidget with the page, some phones cannot. This is why we make such a big deal of this. The same way that a large photo forks up the margins on a compy, the same way a hueg URL will fork up a small display. And those useless characters bring up ads anyways. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 00:09:32 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jan 9 23:36:19 2007. I don't think I was at the very start of Subtalk. I think it was already at least 3-4 years old when I joined. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 00:10:01 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jan 9 23:37:20 2007. So use the link. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 00:19:51 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 00:10:01 2007. what does using the link have to do with the issue at hand? |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 00:46:01 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 00:19:51 2007. You know that. I know that. But Ron seems fundamentally incapable of understanding the problem. |
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Posted by Clayton on Wed Jan 10 01:49:07 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by R68A - 5200 on Tue Jan 9 22:36:53 2007. Why, of course it is! |
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Posted by Robert King on Wed Jan 10 07:54:40 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jan 9 20:33:27 2007. I've had this Powerbook G4 since then too, to replace a 12 inch one that I sold to a friend, and I've only had a few problems with applications crashing. Mainly the beta version of Yahoo Messenger and a few other pieces of free/beta software but that's to be expected. If you run questionable software on any computer running any operating system, problems are going to happen.The Macs have been fine, certainly no worse than any Windows XP machine that I've used, and I can get a Unix terminal with one click, which really makes my day. -Robert King |
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Posted by Robert King on Wed Jan 10 07:57:18 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 9 22:26:43 2007. Just to throw out a piece of information that I learned in one of my classes yesterday, Bell Canada started a radio phone service in 1949 and the Globe and Mail was the first customer to sign up for it.-Robert King |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jan 10 09:16:37 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jan 9 20:33:27 2007. The fact that you are making a response to an idiot like "error" makes me wonder. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jan 10 09:17:15 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 9 19:13:54 2007. "error" is an idiot. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jan 10 09:42:16 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jan 10 09:16:37 2007. Someone has to correct him - if there's still a chance to talk sense into him. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Wed Jan 10 12:09:49 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 00:10:01 2007. Even the link has the useless characters. When you copy the link from the address bar, you only need to go as far as the appearance of .HTML Everything from the question mark out is junk. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 12:25:05 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Alex L. on Wed Jan 10 12:09:49 2007. Just point and click and go to the article. If you don't like the link Iprovided, make your own. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 12:29:16 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 9 23:11:22 2007. Why should we look at a long'assed url that we have to end up copying and pasting anyway?You are the only one that does this. Everyone else uses such a thing as HTML codecs to post the link. It's much easier to point and click it rather than take a minimum of three steps (highlighting, copying and pasting) just to access the page. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 12:31:21 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 12:25:05 2007. On mobile devices, it is often easier to read the article from the text pasted into the SubChat post. That is why we are asking for you not to paste the whole URL, since that messes up the way the page is displayed for some people.It's very simple. The URL is not needed. All that is needed is an HTML link. And you would makes things much better for people. There's no reason not to do it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 12:36:23 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 12:29:16 2007. David, Ron usually does post an HTML link, which is to be expected. What we're asking is that he simply skip pasting the additional long URL, since it serves no purpose and it messes up people's viewing of SubChat posts. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 12:36:48 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jan 10 09:16:37 2007. Error made an error. What else is new? |
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Tech Specs of iPhone |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 12:51:23 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jan 9 19:39:50 2007. Screen size: 3.5 inchesScreen resolution: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi Input method: Multi-touch Operating system: OS X Storage: 4GB or 8GB GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900) Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0 Camera: 2.0 megapixels Battery: * Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing * Up to 16 hours Audio playback Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm Weight: 4.8 ounces / 135 grams |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 12:52:52 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 12:31:21 2007. Others have asked me to do it in the past. If the URL doesn't diplay properly, simply skip over itand don't bother with it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 12:52:58 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 12:31:21 2007. Others have asked me to do it in the past. If the URL doesn't diplay properly, simply skip over itand don't bother with it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 12:55:20 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 12:52:52 2007. NOT THE URL!!!! THE WHOLE PAGE! YOUR URL FSCKS UP THE WHOLE PAGE!!!And yes, others have told you this many times before, and you still don't get it. |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 12:59:29 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 12:55:20 2007. I would recommend that you give up on this one. I already have. The comprehension just isn’t there. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 13:00:50 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 12:59:29 2007. Your comprehension? You mean you actualy have comprehension? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 13:05:12 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 12:59:29 2007. Maybe you could post a screen-shot of an affected subchat post? Illustrating the problem graphically may be more on Ron's level. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 13:32:24 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 13:05:12 2007. OK. Here we go. I resized my computer's screen resolution to 640 x 480 to best illustrate the problem with posting long URL's on SubChat.Here is a typical SubChat post.  Here is a SubChat post with a long URL in the text. 
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 13:48:00 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 13:32:24 2007. Thank you for that. However since I made my first post about this manySo, I can’t reproduce the really annoying behavior and it also means that Ron can paste as long text links into his posts as he likes without affecting us! I wonder if some developers from Microsoft and the Firefox project were lurking here. If so, thanks for the fixes! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 13:52:10 2007, in response to Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 12:51:23 2007. AT&T (formerly Cingular) will be the major carrier of this phone (because AT&T uses GSM/EDGE, while Verizon and Sprint share the CDMA network.)The screen resolution is impressive, most phones have QVGA (320 X 240 pixels) screens. EDGE is very slow, compared to the new higher speed HSDPA network. It's a shame that Apple should have waited until HSDPA rolls out because now Verizon and Sprint are set to upgrade their networks to the newer EV-DO, Revision A standard. For those of you keeping score, Sprint/Verizon currently use EV-DO Revision 0, which is approx 700 kbps. download (up to 2 Mbps.) and 75 kbps. upload. Ev-DO Rev. A improves upload speeds to 700 kbps. while download speeds gets a very minor uptick to 800 kbps. But as Apple rolls out the iphone, Verizon and Sprint are set to debut EV-DO Rev. A which will allow video calling, yes one can talk to another on a video screen. As if that is not enough for tech geeks, Sprint is in the process of upgrading their network to a new Wi-Fi standard, called Wi-Max, that will be essentially be the same as Wi-Fi for laptops, but more applicable to mobile phones. I will admit that Apple has raised the bar in video/audio but they will have to play catch up with the new networks and upgrades. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 13:54:36 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 13:48:00 2007. Good to hear. |
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Posted by Clayton on Wed Jan 10 13:58:39 2007, in response to Re: Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 13:52:10 2007. With all of the Wi-Fi hotspots around NYC in addition to the unsecured access points, I'm pretty sure the iPhone will have no trouble accessing the Internet quickly within NYC. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 13:59:11 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 13:32:24 2007. So all you have to do is scroll. In other words, there's no problem at all. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 14:03:21 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 13:59:11 2007. Some browsers don't do horizontal scrolling, or many users see it as a pain. |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 14:08:41 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 14:03:21 2007. Horizontal scrolling is much slower than vertical scrolling.The most efficient way to read is when you don’t have to move and refocus your eyes. So you want to have a window set to a comfortable reading width, which for most people is less than a whole screen width (Palm/Treo/Portable PC users’ mileage will vary!). Then you can read a screenful, press the space bar, read another screenful. Very quickly. If the text scrolls off the right of the window, then you have to drag the horizontal scroll bar with a mouse. This wrecks speed reading. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:10:32 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 13:59:11 2007. You'd have to scroll left and right for every single line of the post. That's a huge problem. |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 14:13:59 2007, in response to Re: Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 13:52:10 2007. From all that I have read about WiMax it looks like it’s going to be more useful in delivering information over the last mile to some access point with actual connectivity to end-user devices being WiFi or even wired ethernet.But more power to Sprint rolling it out! |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 14:15:01 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:10:32 2007. Maybe Ron reads so slowly that it isn’t an issue for him! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 10 14:15:43 2007, in response to Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 12:51:23 2007. But can you make a phone call with it? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:20:36 2007, in response to Re: Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 10 14:15:43 2007. Why would you need to? There's much better things to do with a cellphone/mini-computer these days. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:44:57 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:10:32 2007. Really? You have trouble scrolling? Do you and John need practice? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 10 14:45:44 2007, in response to Re: Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:20:36 2007. I dunno, talk to someone maybe? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 14:47:11 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:44:57 2007. If I change the display setting on my phone's browser from Single Column to Desktop, then I would have difficulty seeing text because I would have to scroll from left to right constantly.Perhaps you need to download Firefox and try using it. Then you will see why John has a problem with single line urls in your posts. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 14:48:37 2007, in response to Re: Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 10 14:15:43 2007. Obviously. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:50:15 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:44:57 2007. Did we say that? No. The issue is scrolling back and forth a ton of times just to read a post. Instead, you could not include the long URL, since it serves no purpose, and save people from having to scroll back and forth a ton of times. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:50:51 2007, in response to Re: Tech Specs of iPhone, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 10 14:45:44 2007. Once in a while maybe. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:54:19 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 10 14:50:15 2007. "since it serves no purpose"Suppose you want to see the actual URL without going through all the source text representing the page? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 14:57:24 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:54:19 2007. Then you can point the mouse to the url link. The actual url address will appear on the lower left corner of you computer screen. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 14:57:24 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:54:19 2007. Right-click the link and select "Properties" from the context menu. |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 14:59:39 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 10 14:54:19 2007. You put your mouse cursor over the URL and the text it represents appears in the status bar at the bottom of the window.If you want to copy the URL, you can do that as one of the choices with a right mouse click. IE uses the phrase “Copy Link Location”, FireFox uses the phrase “Copy Shortcut”. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 14:59:44 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 14:57:24 2007. A different suggestion, but it works!It's weird that both my post and your post were posted at the exact same second! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 10 15:02:23 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 14:59:39 2007. Umm, you got the two reversed. Firefox uses "Copy link location." IE uses "Copy Shortcut." |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Jan 10 15:02:26 2007, in response to Re: Apple produces ideal Subchatter video phone, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 10 14:47:11 2007. The latest Firefox behaves differently: it reflows the other paragraphs, just not the one with the long text string. |
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