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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 8 21:03:09 2006, in response to Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 8 20:53:15 2006. R46's are know for there flat spots on them, I have had a lot of them.Robert |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 21:13:07 2006, in response to Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 8 20:53:15 2006. The fact that a car has flat spots does not necessarilly disqualify it from service. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 8 21:18:54 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 21:13:07 2006. The fact that a car has flat spots does not necessarilly disqualify it from service.After all, anything to keep up the almighty MDBF statistic. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 21:50:54 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 8 21:18:54 2006. Operating with a flat spot is inappropriate. It is only when the flat spot is sufficiently significant to affect the safety of the train that it is a "failure."You like posting frivolously, don't you? |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 21:58:11 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 21:50:54 2006. In Stephen's defense, pounding wheels break rails ... so there may be a valid point in his wondering WHO ends up getting charged when the inevtiable occurs when either the wheel stops turning and starts fires or when rails or switch points get hammered too hard ...Round wheels are HAPPY wheels ... :) |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Dec 8 22:00:22 2006, in response to Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 8 20:53:15 2006. Well, if you don't see smoke, don't worry about it. Atleast it did not have 8 inch flats like an R68 (Q) train last year did. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Dec 8 22:01:20 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 8 21:03:09 2006. Well, you need to ride the R40's a little more... |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:04:33 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 21:58:11 2006. Agreed. However, you can't "true" every wheel every day, and in the fall and winter, trains frequently skid due to inclement weather and leaves. So you're going to have some flat wheels. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Dec 8 22:11:00 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 21:58:11 2006. Sort of WELL ROUNDED HAPPY wheels? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:27:05 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:04:33 2006. Natch ... all a matter of how bad it is ... "clop-clop-clop" was the sound of Artens ... "bang-bang-bang" is John Witherspoon ... so the question would be "how bad is it?" Knowing the original reporter personally, I'd say it had Witherspooned or he wouldn't have pointed it out. "Bang-bang-bang-bang-bang" breaks rails ...Definitely something to point out to the crew on the train so it can be written up. You really don't want clod-hoppers out there now beating the iron when it's shrinking. And "skid season" is over now ... time for all good trains to visit Mr. Simmons. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:28:06 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Dec 8 22:11:00 2006. I prefer my wheels more rounded than most of the folks here. =) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:30:08 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:27:05 2006. True. You have to do the best you can. That's all you can do. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:31:05 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Dec 8 22:11:00 2006. What did the R46 ask for at the McDonald's?A Happy Wheel. :0) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Dec 8 22:33:30 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:31:05 2006. With no Chicken Nuggets trampled underfoot. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:34:21 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:31:05 2006. Ow. That was wheely awful. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 22:38:07 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 8 21:18:54 2006. I'm glad that you never let ignorance of the facts interfere with your incorrect opinions. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Dec 8 22:38:17 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:34:21 2006. A cheeseburger happy wheel would be wheely good. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 22:41:40 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 8 21:18:54 2006. Why don't you look up the AAR Wheel & Axle standards before you start to make any silly pronouncements? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 22:58:11 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 22:38:07 2006. MTA train wheels are flat because they are protesting (due to Stephen's not being named MTA Chairman).:0) |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 8 23:02:37 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:34:21 2006. 8-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 23:26:44 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Dec 8 22:38:17 2006. GO to your damned booth. =) |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 8 23:28:49 2006, in response to Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 8 20:53:15 2006. You should hear some of those R44s on the Staten Island Railway...those things sound horrible, similar to that of the M3s and M7s. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Dec 8 23:36:31 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:27:05 2006. LMAO |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 01:23:29 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:27:05 2006. Kirk..it was awfull...LOUDLY...! BANG BANG BANG....when we were under the "creek" and he tried to pick up some speed...it was an endless synphony of sounds that killed my ears and rattled my body. Believe me..after messin around on the freakin bus half the night..the last thing I needed was to be busted up by a jacked up train. It was late..so I didn't want to get off, waiting for the NEXT train[that time of night]at 20 minute intervales. Needless to say,the homeless person made the trip damn near unbearable in that particular car..so I moved at Metropolitan... 5522 was fubar. Pity..and I always liked the R46 cars,too. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 01:27:41 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Dec 8 22:00:22 2006. It was enough to worry about.The NOISE alone was enough to cause many riders discomfort..and switch cars as soon as it was possible. No smoke,thank goodness. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 01:43:11 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 01:23:29 2006. Good! At least we've got a car number now. I'm sure our buddies will be out looking for it. :)I had a feeling it was four inches or more, and given your description, sounds like it's ready to light some track fires soon, assuming the line doesn't get jacked for "broken rail." :( So you're back out on the road again? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 02:48:59 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 01:43:11 2006. Doin the EXTRA thing right now..in a stupid BLUE UNIFORM..3 day within a 400-450 mile range...so if I ever get a southeast route..i can go as far as Richmond/Fayetteville..or if Im needed..as far as Charleston[at 770 miles].. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 03:19:45 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 02:48:59 2006. Glad to hear you're back in the saddle again ... and south of the Waffle House/iHOP line too ... duly impressed! :) |
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Posted by heypaul on Sat Dec 9 05:35:07 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 02:48:59 2006. Let me know your schedule. I'll take a ride with you some time and point out how you could improve your driving from my many years of riding the bus and studying driver's manuals. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 06:02:52 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by heypaul on Sat Dec 9 05:35:07 2006. Heh. Edwards is one Gray Running Dog person you don't mess with ... he knows how to restrain his geese and also is a five time returning champion of the "guess the psychosis of your seatmate game." He's from up HERE! Be thou warned! =)REAL nice guy tho' ... |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 9 08:09:45 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 01:23:29 2006. Um, and what about the R40's? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 9 08:12:41 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 01:27:41 2006. Well, then I still don't understand when that R68 that had 8 inch flats was STILL in service for most of the day and it had a smoke condition at Atlantic avenue, but a few stops later, it was STILL in service! So if you wanna talk about discomfort, alot of students from my school was talking about it. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 08:35:04 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 22:41:40 2006. 2" flat spot or more than one 1.5" flat spots condemn a wheel. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Dec 9 09:24:39 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 9 08:09:45 2006. What abut them? He's talking about R-46s. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 09:35:07 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 08:35:04 2006. NOT in MDBFland ... three though considers the possibilty of a G2. :(TA is *NOT* a railroad even if we have to call that word out when handed lanterns and flags. :O |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 10:19:44 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 09:35:07 2006. Hmmm, lemme see:Flanged wheels- Check. Traxx- Check Stuff USUALLY goes where the traxx tell it to- Check. Yup, looks like a railroad to me. 8-) |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 9 10:37:53 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 10:19:44 2006. Yeah, but da FRA considers it pregnant bunnies ... "rabbit transit." Rules of gravity do NOT apply - MTA is Paturkey world ... DARE ya to argue with me. :) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Dec 9 10:42:25 2006, in response to Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 8 20:53:15 2006. Well if it needs more air, pump the s.o.b. upand that'll take care of the flat spots.avid |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 9 10:43:21 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 9 02:48:59 2006. Is Greyhound doing the "part-time full-time" thing, where you work full time, get no paid vacation, one sick day per year, and no overtime?Some years back certain charter lines were able to get away with that. |
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Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46 |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Dec 9 10:58:53 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Dec 9 09:24:39 2006. I think I know that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 9 12:24:45 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 08:35:04 2006. So, if the wheel has smaller flat spots, it stays in service until....what? Are wheels regularly checked for flat spots as part of the SMS? Even half an inch will produce a rather noticable noise. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 9 12:27:10 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Dec 8 22:00:22 2006. That's nothing. WAY back in the day (20 years ago) the Sixth Ave. shuttle used 6 car consists of R27's which had wheels so mishaped, the train bounced up and down. And the ear-shattering din of those things moving between 23rd St. and 34th was something to behold. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 12:33:29 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 9 12:24:45 2006. Wheel gaging is a routine part of inspection. A car will have several wheel changes before SMS. I have a bunch of duplicates of the gages used for flat spots, they are that common. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Dec 9 13:14:21 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 23:26:44 2006. You don't know how much I wish I could. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Dec 9 13:28:09 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 8 21:13:07 2006. True...and that one car in the consist may have been the only one with flatzzzz. NYCTA subways do not 'earn' major flats like freight or heavy passenger rail due to slower speeds and less weight....problem can be with failures in propulsion/dynamic braking or simply 'stuck brakes.' I've learned a lot off the M7s and ATC. RRCI Peter |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 9 13:32:33 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by BIE on Sat Dec 9 12:33:29 2006. WHeels are supposed to last 6 years - which, coincidentally, is the span between truck SMS. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 9 13:35:24 2006, in response to Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 8 20:53:15 2006. Considering that the tragic bus accident near albany has been laid to a leaking tire, I suspect that you should be concentrating on rubber tires and not something that you have absolutely no knowledge about. . |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Dec 9 13:38:00 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:27:05 2006. I know 'Mr. Simmons' very well but he has 'other friends' tickling his knobs. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Dec 9 13:43:57 2006, in response to Re: Flat wheel spots on the R46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 8 22:28:06 2006. I once encountered a freight consist going through Phillipsburg NJ with cars integrated through a yard.....the cars of original consist had nice square wheels which could be heard for a mile! I wondered how many wheels were 'sixteens.' |
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