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Posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Long Lost Subway Tunnels are Found Throughout the Hamptons By Dan Rattiner (with a tip of the hat to Ron Stanchfield) As most people know, the single most spectacular real estate development ever attempted on the East End was that of Carl G. Fisher. In the mid 1920s, he bought the entire peninsula of Montauk, 12,000 acres in all, and during the years between 1925 and 1929 began to build a great city in that community. The centerpiece of it, built on the downtown plaza he created in a field, was the seven-story building that continues to dominate this community to this day. But he also built a polo field, a race track, a yacht club, a gambling casino, a boardwalk and swim club, a 250 room hotel high on a hill — it still stands as the Montauk Manor — the entire network of roads in downtown Montauk, including pink sidewalks which survive in many areas, half a dozen downtown commercial buildings, two churches and an automobile racetrack. He also imported sheep and built a section for the help known as Shepherd’s Neck. (Still in existence.) His intention from the get-go was to build a big beach resort city, similar to the one he had built in the early 1920s in Miami Beach. Among other things, he had recently been married for the third time, to a 16-year-old named Jane. These were heady times for millionaire Carl Fisher. What has never been known until now is that while Carl Fisher and some of his wealthy friends were building Montauk (it failed in the crash of ‘29), there was a lesser known and very shady figure by the name of Ivan Kratz, a wealthy builder, who had designs on the creating a transportation monopoly for the Fisher project. Ivan Kratz, between 1900 and 1925, had made millions by building the New York City Subway System. His work was good, but the way he went about securing contracts was crooked. In 1900, offering up a whole slew of bribes to New York City officials, he had bid high but got the contract to build the New York City Subway System. By paying notoriously low salaries to his workmen, he made huge amounts of money at both ends. By 1924, however, he was under investigation as part of the Teapot Dome scandal. Amazingly, in 1928 when it came time to look for the money Kratz had made — he was by this time the owner of a vast oceanfront mansion in East Hampton — it all came up empty. Where had the money gone? Last month, auctioneers selling the contents of the Kratz mansion — only recently sold by his heirs — came upon an extraordinary document. Copies of it were turned over to the Town of Southampton and the Town of East Hampton. And representatives of the New York State Department of Transportation had become involved. Kratz, between 1925 and 1929, had secretly constructed an enormous underground subway system that he called the South Fork Subway. It has its main terminus right under the open plaza in downtown Montauk. And it is connected up to underground “stations” in Napeague, Amagansett, East Hampton, Bridgehampton, Southampton, Quogue and Westhampton Beach. There is a spur that goes up to Sag Harbor and North Haven, and another that goes up Three Mile Harbor Road in East Hampton and then splits off to end at Maidstone Park in Three Mile Harbor and Gerard Park at Accabonac Harbor. “At first,” said Tom Larson of the NY State Department of Transportation, “we thought that the subway map that had turned up at the auction was some kind of joke.” But then Town bulldozers from the two highway departments were brought in, and the first of the holes was dug — the first just under the large and unused gas ball in Sag Harbor just behind the Post Office. In just four days of digging, the workmen uncovered twin platforms, two sets of rails including a third rail that went down into some dark tunnels, a ticket booth, some turnstiles and a flight of stairs that went up to a steel bilco door that had been covered up by grass. The Sag Harbor station for the G Train. “We made three decisions,” Larson said. “We agreed not to go public with whatever this was until we knew what it was, we agreed to send workmen in golf carts down the tunnels, and we agreed to remove the gas ball.” The gas ball was taken away, piece by piece, in May. And it was inaccurately announced, to throw people off, that the dig where the gas ball was had to do with some sort of underground pollution. Also, it might be necessary to remove some commercial buildings in the area. Indeed, the state is already in negotiations to condemn the first of those buildings. “It’s all in place,” Larson said at the press conference. His eyes welled up with tears. “The whole thing. We’ve been through it from end to end. And it’s all there. It has the same white ceramic tiles on the walls that they have in the New York Subway. The names of all the stations in blue tiles. There are eighteen stations. And all we have to do to make this whole thing operational is bring in a modern air exchange system to the tunnels, build some escalators to get down to the platforms to bring this up to code — there were no escalators in use in subways until the 1940s although they surely had them — and bring in some subway cars. The track gauge is also from the New York Subway. In fact, we believe that all these materials were FROM the New York Subway system. Stuff supposedly “stolen” by Kratz and brought out here. It’s all amazing. And it is an answer to our prayers. The transportation nightmare in the Hamptons is over.” Someone asked the locations of all the underground subway stations and he told them. There is one under the parking lot at the Montauk Lighthouse, there is one under the crossroads of Flamingo Road and Westlake Drive at the fishing village there, there is one on Ditch Plains Road where it makes the ninety degree turn to the left, there is one under the Kirk Park Beach parking lot in downtown Montauk named “Montauk Beach” which is what Carl Fisher called the place, there is one just under the Montauk Railroad Station, another behind the restaurant called LUNCH on the Napeague Strip, one at the corner of Montauk Highway and Napeague Lane in Beach Hampton and one in the Amagansett parking lot by the Amagansett railroad station. Other locations heading further west include under the intersection of Further Lane and Egypt Lane in East Hampton, under the Main Beach parking lot in East Hampton, under the parking lot at South Ferry in North Haven, under the old Alison By the Beach restaurant on Route 27 and Town Line Road, under the Bridgehampton Railroad Station, under Cromer’s Market on Noyac Road, under the field in back of Corrigan’s Service Station at Hayground Road and the Montauk Highway in Water Mill, under the village green in Water Mill, under the back parking lot of the Princess Diner at Hampton Road and County Road 39 in Southampton, under a lot adjacent to the Sandpiper Motel in Shinnecock, under the street in front of the Blue Moon Café in East Quogue, at the corner of Lewis Road and Route 27A in East Quogue and under two different locations along Jessup Avenue in Quogue, one at the corner of Flowers By Lori at Midland, and the other at Jessup and Quogue Street in front of Q Restaurant. In Westhampton Beach, there is a subway stop at the corner of Sunset and Main in front of Lucille’s Beach Barn. “We don’t know why a station was not built in Hampton Bays,” Larsen said. “Members of the Kratz family say that their grandfather once complained about a yacht he bought in Hampton Bays from a marina owner that sprang a leak and sank. That we think might be as good a reason as any. Anyway, if we get all this together, we think we will probably put in a Hampton Bays stop.” A reporter asked Larson who will be in charge of restoring the system. “I am pleased to announce today that Governor Pataki has created a Hamptons Transportation Authority, with a base funding of ten million dollars. We will go from there.” A reporter asked if Peter Kalikow, who heads the Port Authority in New York and has a home in Montauk, might be interested in the job. “It’s possible,” Larsen said. Another reporter asked if Carl Fisher himself, who had an excellent and above board reputation, had been involved in this. “We have dug deep in the Fisher archives,” Larsen said. “Apparently he thought it was some kind of drainage subcontractor. He seems to have been aware of it, but that was about it. He was a big picture sort of guy.” “Any idea when the South Fork Subway will become operational?” “We’re looking at the summer of 2008.”
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Posted by italianstallion* on Sun Jul 16 22:56:54 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d hilarious.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jul 16 23:10:20 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 16 22:56:54 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Unbelievible,if you ask me... I mean..how would you get away with something like that? He built a SUBWAY SYSTEM..and NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING? Not even the LIRR or the town itself? This I would have to see for myself. Incredible...
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Posted by BMTLines* on Sun Jul 16 23:17:39 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Does it connect to 76th Street?
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Posted by RonInBayside* on Sun Jul 16 23:18:59 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jul 16 23:17:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Of course! Funny piece; nicely written.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jul 16 23:20:52 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nice joke.. Peter Kalikow..head of the PORT AUTHORITY of NEW YORK. Yeah,this story is about as phony as a 3 DOLLAR BILL.
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Posted by BMT Guy* on Sun Jul 16 23:25:07 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jul 16 23:17:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nay, it connects with the subway tunnel to Havana! ;-D
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Posted by BMT Guy* on Sun Jul 16 23:26:34 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Written by Dan of "Dan's Papers" (the local paper for East Hampton, Amagansett, and Montauk, LI.
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Posted by Fytton* on Mon Jul 17 05:38:32 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I take it this article was published on April 1.
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Posted by Newkirk Images* on Mon Jul 17 06:43:03 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "The Sag Harbor station for the G Train." Wow, from Smith-9th Sts. to Sag Harbor. Makes the run from 207th St. to Far Rockaway look like the Franklin Shuttle. I hope illegal substances weren't used in conjuring up this piece ! Bill "Newkirk"
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express* on Mon Jul 17 06:57:40 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This IS a joke, right?
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Posted by avid reader* on Mon Jul 17 07:44:34 2006, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Will there be a Fantrip, when, where, and how much? avid
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Posted by Edwards!* on Mon Jul 17 11:16:43 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Jul 17 06:57:40 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It better be,cause there is NO WAY something like this could be possible. Right under the LIRR railstation? Next to a parking lot? 18 stations..? Lines WITH BRANCHES? Totally imposible.
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Posted by New Brunswick Station* on Mon Jul 17 11:20:46 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by avid reader on Mon Jul 17 07:44:34 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As soon as we discover the 76th St. Station, of course. :-D
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Posted by The Queen* on Mon Jul 17 17:44:02 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 17 11:16:43 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, its a joke. I saw this a few days ago and decided to E-Mail the paper.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Jul 17 17:58:26 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jul 17 06:43:03 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Only if the G train runs from 76th Street to Sag Harbour.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Jul 17 18:31:39 2006, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Jul 17 11:20:46 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Without joking, there is a similar subway completely built in Cincinatti, Ohio with platforms and stairways in place but no tracks. It was not constructed clandestinely, but was built with the idea of bringing local streetcar and interurban lines into downtown Cincinatti as was done with Boston's first subway. Unfortunately, due to typical political wrangling, by the time the subway tunnels were completed, most of the electric railways it was designed to serve were either bustituted or abandoned entirely so the tunnels were abandoned and sealed. At one point, the city used part of one of the tunnels for a water main, but other than that the tunnels have fallen into decay. There is a website that has photos but I can't recall what it is. By the way, the short Pneumatic tube subway built by Alfred Ely Beach in lower Manhattan was entirely constructed without the knowledge of the city fathers especially Boss Tweed. The plans as originally submitted to the city called for 2 small tubes to be built to carry parcels similar to the tube systems in department stores. Beach, however secretly had one large tube constructed big enough for a small passenger railway car. Of course, when Tweed found out about it, he immediately had it shut down and all remains of it were destroyed when the BMT was being built in the City Hall area. So, in theory, it might be possible to have built the apocryphal "Montauk Subway" without the local politicians being fully aware of what is really going on.
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Posted by 67th Avenue* on Wed Mar 18 14:38:22 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 17 18:31:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d randyo, http://www.cincinnatti.net/subway.html Seven miles of the sixteen mile subway line and a few stations were built as you mentioned. Also, remember the "supposed" Dayton, Ohio subway? Cleveland was the only city to actually put a subway line in service and IIRC the Red Line uses overhead caternary with stations that are spaced and is assigned the route number 66 or 67.
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Posted by 67th Avenue* on Wed Mar 18 14:40:55 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 17 18:31:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d randyo, http://www.cincinnatti-transit.net/subway.html Seven miles of the sixteen mile subway line and a few stations were built in Cincinnatti, Ohio as you mentioned. Also, remember the "supposed" Dayton, Ohio subway? Cleveland was the only city to actually put a subway line in service and IIRC the Red Line uses overhead caternary with stations that are spaced and is assigned the route number 66 or 67.
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Posted by Mitch45* on Wed Mar 18 15:05:28 2009, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There is a much better chance of the existence of 76th Street than any of this nonsense.
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker* on Wed Mar 18 15:11:12 2009, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d just google maps to that location and use the satellite view to get close in behind that post office to see if any digging is/was done this might show evidence of the story...which I think is a great fiction story....how high is the water table in that area ? maybe it's a divers subway heh, heh, Karl M
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Posted by daDouce Man* on Wed Mar 18 15:17:34 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 16 22:56:54 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If nothing else a foamer's dream!
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Posted by daDouce Man* on Wed Mar 18 15:27:37 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 17 18:31:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When Tweed found out about Beach's subway it was already opened and in operation. He allowed Beach to have his way until he tried to expand the subway to the rest of Manhattan. The BMT didn't build their subway near City Hall until 1912. By thrn Beach's subway was already closed and forgotten and Tweed was long out of power.
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Posted by Brighton Private* on Wed Mar 18 15:29:57 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 23:25:07 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is a true story: I was soon leaving D.C. for a trip to Amsterdam and London, and was standing in a bar telling a guy I had just met that I was taking this trip and looking forward to taking the new tunnel. It quickly became apparent he thought I was taking the train from New York to London. When explained that I meant the Chunnel, he said, in total seriousness, "but they're building one from New York to London, right?" Yeah, and one from Miami, too. With a stop in Havana.
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker* on Wed Mar 18 15:31:05 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 18 15:17:34 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Seriously, what would the implications be if this were true ? how would New York State react to this I bet it would be a wild time in the Governors office, what would the reaction be from the MTA ? and the people who live in the tows over this subway, pandemonion would most likely result I wish it would be true just to see the end result. Karl M
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Posted by daDouce Man* on Wed Mar 18 15:37:38 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Mar 18 15:31:05 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Since there has been no reaction from the NYS Governor's office or from the MTA, the subway to the Hamptons was never started.
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Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Wed Mar 18 15:39:32 2009, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's a shame that this has idea has been seemingly abandoned, Suffolk Transit is a joke and the LIRR service out there is a joke.
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Posted by daDouce Man* on Wed Mar 18 15:42:33 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 18 15:39:32 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I don't think this project was ever started.
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Posted by error46146* on Wed Mar 18 18:17:23 2009, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nice 3-year old gravedig lol
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Wed Mar 18 18:44:22 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 23:26:34 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is not new. Wasn't his written several years ago? Believe I first read it then. And wasn't it written for April Fools?
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by jabrams* on Wed Mar 18 19:51:12 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by error46146 on Wed Mar 18 18:17:23 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why is an area of all farms in the 1920's would you build a subway, and not a ground level or elevated line anyway. I guess it was three years ago that this first appeared.
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker* on Thu Mar 19 08:25:05 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 18 15:37:38 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d BUT WHAT IF....it existed, what would this do to the area ? the reaction from the residents would alone be priceless. Karl M
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Thu Mar 19 11:09:02 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 16 23:10:20 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yep. There's one factor that most may have forgotten...Where's The Yard?!! One thing to hide some tunnels underground, pretty hard to hide a whole yard. :)
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Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Mar 20 10:09:21 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 16 23:10:20 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, it's a bunch of horseapples.
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Mar 20 12:34:15 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Mar 19 08:25:05 2009. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well I guess speculation is beyond the abilities on this subject here, it would be interesting on how such an operation would work...oh well so much for imagination. Karl M
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by SilverFox* on Sat Mar 21 13:19:00 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jul 16 23:17:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why, yes! Yes, Virginia! Yes it does!
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sat Mar 21 18:49:14 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 18 15:39:32 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Seemingly abandoned? It never began to begin with, it's a joke piece. It's like The Onion. While I agree Suffolk transit is a joke...I can't believe you thought this article was real!
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Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Sun Mar 22 01:39:06 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 21 18:49:14 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Lol yeah I know I'm embarrassed now, thanks to you and douceman though.
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Posted by Scrabbleship* on Sun Mar 22 09:49:28 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jul 16 23:17:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You stole my words!! That was the first thing I thought of reading this!
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by daDouce Man* on Sun Mar 22 11:05:38 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 22 01:39:06 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I once thought there might be something to the idea about a subway to The Hamptons. At the time my wife and I had spent a few days at Montauk. We had gone to a discussion of Carl Fisher's plans to build up the area. I remember a few people (me included) were wondering if there would be a high speed subway coming from Queens out there. The answer was a definate "NO!" The timing was good. The IND was being built and maybe something from the IND Second System would go all the way out there. It would have been interesting. But it wasn't going to happen.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Sun Mar 22 14:06:45 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 17 18:31:39 2006.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, the Beach tunnel was built clandestinely. But it was no more than a few blocks long, if that. And it was in the 1870s... And the Cincinatti subway is apparently no secret, though I only learned of it a few days ago, on this board.
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by MainR3664* on Sun Mar 22 14:26:08 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Mar 20 12:34:15 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If you wanted a theoretical discussion of how this system could work-I'd be happy to oblige you if I could. But since I know nothing of the towns out there, I really cannot. I do suppose it would have led to urbanization of the area if it actually took place. Unfortunately, the LIRR makes almost no secret of its wish to abandon Eastern Suffolk, so we see where transit on far LI is going. I've posted some ideas about hooking up a full Second Avenue Subway to the SIR (without going through Brooklyn) and also running trains from the SIR North Shore line to Midtown. Those thoughts attracted no dicsussion either...
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by daDouce Man* on Sun Mar 22 16:32:28 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 14:06:45 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I think the Beach tunnel was at most a block or two long.
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun Mar 22 17:57:28 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 22 01:39:06 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Haha, that's what we're here for! :)
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by Andrew Saucci* on Sun Mar 22 18:57:46 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 19 11:09:02 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Simple-- they built the rest of it and ran out of money to build the yards, so that's why it ultimately failed. A yard could be underground too-- the 1, for example, has an underground yard for layups and put-ins. See-- an explanation for everything. :)
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Sun Mar 22 18:59:54 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 22 17:57:28 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Chris, have you ever been to the Bellport Outlet Center?
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by MainR3664* on Sun Mar 22 19:05:22 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 22 16:32:28 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d 312 feet- Warren to Murray Streets.
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Mon Mar 23 07:09:00 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 22 18:59:54 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d BUMP hoping that you're online right now.
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker* on Mon Mar 23 08:58:54 2009, in response to Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 22 14:26:08 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When I lived in Babylon in the late 1960's I attended a transit proposal meeting led by the county about future plans for the LIRR one idea was to put the LIRR in an open cut below surface traffic the reply from attending LIRR officials was that the idea was discussed and an examination was made of the areas but came back that the water table in some areas was just too high canceling out any hopes for an open cut for the LIRR, so the elevated decision was made, so when I red this article I thought it was bogus, it was fun to read all the responses to this article. Karl M
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Re: Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???
Posted by TUNNELRAT* on Mon Jul 19 13:17:42 2021, in response to Long Forgotten Subway system in The Hamptons???, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Jul 16 22:51:01 2006.* I wonder who thught this up?
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