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which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by tramrunner on Thu Jun 8 22:07:28 2006 number 553 SInglehand pantographsnumber 118 2nad pantographs As I guess, both shots are from times on Pensinvalia Railroad. Did they go directly from NYC to Philadelphia? |
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Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by ALP44 on Thu Jun 8 22:34:27 2006, in response to which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by tramrunner on Thu Jun 8 22:07:28 2006. Top link is Arrow II, bottom is Arrow I.ALP 44 |
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Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by tramrunner on Fri Jun 9 11:25:00 2006, in response to which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by tramrunner on Thu Jun 8 22:07:28 2006. so what we have:Arrow 1 - double hand pantographs Arrow 2 - single hand pantographs Arrow 3 - double hand pantographs (again) Why such as alternation? SUch pantographs as on Arrows are very near and drea to me. Expecially in 1980ies, all x_USSR electrified rolling stock, had only such ones. Signle hand pantographs on RUssian rolling stock, were introduced in late 1990ies. In x_USSR, I never knew that pantogrpahs can be single hand. Yet, from some sources I found that some St Petersburg (Leningrad) trams had some single-hand pantographs. As for you ALP44, they are competetives LOL. |
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Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Jun 9 17:42:15 2006, in response to Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by tramrunner on Fri Jun 9 11:25:00 2006. The Arrow IIIs originally had single arm pantographs. The Faively or whatever pantographs that GE installed on the Silverliner IIs, IIIs, Arrow IIs, Silverliner IVs, and Arrow IIIs as well as possibly the E60CPs had a tendancy to be extremely unforgiving on wire defects. Presumably NJT encountered a whole bunch of wire downings before they decided to replace the A3's pantographs with a more forgiving dual arm design, possibly in 1991. Since the Arrow IIs were on their way out back then they wouldn't have had their pantographs changed. SEPTA is now changing the Silverliner IV pantographs to a more forgiving design single arm pantograph for the same reason NJT changed the A3's pans. |
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Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 9 18:50:17 2006, in response to which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by tramrunner on Thu Jun 8 22:07:28 2006. You don't tell Arrow Is and IIs apart by the pantographs; you tell them apart by them ribs on the front of the cab.Also, the numbers would help—wouldn't the Arrow I have lower numbers? (Yes, 118 is an Arrow I, aka a "Jersey Arrow", aka the MP85, a PRR number it shared with the Silverliners IIRC.) Another way you tell Arrow I and II apart is the little divider on the passenger windows. And No, the Arrows didn't operate on Philly Clockers that I know of. |
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Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by ALP44 on Fri Jun 9 20:27:20 2006, in response to Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 9 18:50:17 2006. Nice shot of Penn Central and CNJ at Elizabeth. Imagine the shots we would have today if trains still used the CNJ main through Elizabeth.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 9 20:50:16 2006, in response to Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by ALP44 on Fri Jun 9 20:27:20 2006. Imagine the shots we would have today if trains still used the CNJ main through ElizabethOhh yeah. Mind you, I'm the type who would want to go so far as to bring back the Royal Blue to compete with the Metroliner and Acela . . . |
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NJT Arrow III: why they chose Dual Arm Pantographs (answer) |
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Posted by tramrunner on Fri Jun 9 21:00:22 2006, in response to Re: which is Arrow 1 which is arrow 2?, posted by WillD on Fri Jun 9 17:42:15 2006. To make GK_tramrunner --- see his most loved dual-hand-pantographs, upon arrival in USA, in 1992. I am kiddingHowever GK_tramrunner was so busy by his schoolwork, and college work, that just in 1998 mentioned that Arrows have "Russian-style" pantographs. Seriously, x_USSR favor dual arms pantographs mostly. They use it even on many streetcars. Other countries also use them but much rearely. |
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