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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by mambomta on Thu May 18 10:52:30 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:47:20 2006.

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People like you, make me bitter, bitter that I like trains but do not want to associate with the majority of people that share my interest.

Are you more than one person? What's this we shit.
Who appointed you spokesfoamer?


Considering that more than one person finds you bitter, Terp's we is correct.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 10:55:20 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:47:20 2006.

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People like you, make me bitter, bitter that I like trains but do not want to associate with the majority of people that share my interest.

You've never attempted to associate with me. Try it first before making generalizations.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 18 11:05:08 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:41:17 2006.

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Is that Mark W.?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 11:12:25 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 10:44:04 2006.

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Do explain.

Not that you've done this on trips, but some foamers find it acceptable to leer at or make inappropriate comments to women at fantrips/museums/ERA meetings. It doesn't do the hobby a great service.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu May 18 11:12:31 2006, in response to TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Booge on Tue Apr 18 21:48:26 2006.

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I made a reservation with "Luz" at the T/M for Aug. 20.
I thought I saw somwhere it will BU cars? And going to Coney Island???

Can someone clarify?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 11:13:26 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by mambomta on Thu May 18 10:46:39 2006.

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Which post were you supposed to be replying to? You replied to your own post.

He thinks he's funny :^)

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu May 18 11:17:59 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:09:45 2006.

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LOL!

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 11:21:45 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 11:12:25 2006.

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That's not just foamers, that's much of the general male population.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 11:22:22 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu May 18 11:12:31 2006.

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Yes, that was posted. You should ask Luz to confirm.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Clayton on Thu May 18 13:12:42 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 09:52:36 2006.

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Are you pitching a tent in your pants or are you just happy to be arguing on SubChat?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 13:27:09 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 10:14:30 2006.

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Heh. Cleaner than some of the ones seen back in my day. In addition to "floor lunch" they were tagged up worse than the yard queens. And I note the car in the picture actually has seats without air tanks on 'em. :)

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu May 18 13:30:52 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 11:22:22 2006.

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BU's to Coney? Did I miss that posting?

No passengers can ride them in the tunnels so if this is true, I wonder where the boarding point would be. (I'll miss this trip because I'll be away on vacation that weekend).

--Mark

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu May 18 13:31:24 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Clayton on Thu May 18 13:12:42 2006.

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Arguing? He needs to learn how to. . .:



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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 13:41:34 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu May 18 13:30:52 2006.

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Yes, you missed it. Someone posted that it would be the Arnine AND BUs together. So that solves that problem.

Found it: http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=254463

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 13:44:49 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 13:41:34 2006.

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*Arnines

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Thu May 18 13:57:25 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 17 14:20:48 2006.

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As far as MOD Trips-they are done with. They were great while they lasted. But the turnouts for each trip were getting lower and lower. The last MOD Trip back on May 1st, 2005 had more photographers than riders. Only 40-50 people paid to ride the train.

The problem was that the IRT was being overdone. There was a trip planned for Lo-Vs to the Rockaways but it was cancelled. I'm sure that trip would've seen high ridership.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu May 18 14:06:06 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 10:41:17 2006.

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The guy behind him is even scarier...

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 18 14:09:52 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu May 18 14:06:06 2006.

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That must have been the first run for 401 since they restored it. It still has its 491 number plate.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by BIE on Thu May 18 14:11:18 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by South Ferry on Thu May 18 00:44:07 2006.

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If you haven't earned a handle, you don't know $#!+

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by BIE on Thu May 18 14:12:06 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Fred G on Thu May 18 06:59:41 2006.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 18 14:12:35 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 13:27:09 2006.

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Looks like an R-12/14.

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Re: (Sympathy for the Crews) Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer

Posted by BIE on Thu May 18 14:21:34 2006, in response to (Sympathy for the Crews) Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by South Ferry on Thu May 18 00:49:37 2006.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by BIE on Thu May 18 14:22:32 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 18 09:09:45 2006.

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Uh Oh!!!

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 14:32:07 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 18 14:12:35 2006.

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Ayup ... there were still quite a few LoV's in C division duty when I was there. And after the last arnines were pulled from revenue, they entered "horse" duty as well ...

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 18 14:36:56 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 13:41:34 2006.

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Forgive my ignorance: what is a BU?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 14:43:30 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 18 14:36:56 2006.

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IMHO, the most fun and unique cars in the museum fleet to ride (on the porches)!

http://www.railfanwindow.com/gallery/album145


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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 18 16:16:31 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 18 14:36:56 2006.

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Stands for Brooklyn Union, one of the first big El Companies,a major component of the BRT.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by TeaBiscuit18thAveDude on Thu May 18 16:36:52 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 18 16:16:31 2006.

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One of the ironic things about the BU cars is that they're painted orange and blue --- same colors as:

1) The City of New York's flag;
2) The official (or at least official 'til a few years ago) colors of the New York Mets.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 16:39:00 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 18 16:16:31 2006.

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It sucks that those cars only have Series and Parallel. I guess that makes it hard to key signals.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 16:52:41 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by TeaBiscuit18thAveDude on Thu May 18 16:36:52 2006.

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One of the ironic things about the BU cars is that they're painted orange and blue

No, those are the Q cars, IIRC. I posted a link to some of my photos of the BU cars.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 17:17:13 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 16:52:41 2006.

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No, those are the Q cars, IIRC. I posted a link to some of my photos of the BU cars.

And those similarities aren't "ironic."

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 17:18:44 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 17:17:13 2006.

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Q's that were formerly BU's, right?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 17:22:51 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 17:18:44 2006.

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Q's that were formerly BU's, right?

That's what a Q is.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 17:28:46 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 18 17:22:51 2006.

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What does the "Q" stand for?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Dave on Thu May 18 18:23:35 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 17:28:46 2006.

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Q stood for Queens. The cars were used for the 1939 - 1940 World Fair.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 18:25:21 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Dave on Thu May 18 18:23:35 2006.

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For the Flushing line right?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by Rail Blue on Thu May 18 18:33:12 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Fred G on Thu May 18 06:59:41 2006.

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Ideologically, I should agree with you, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for Dan, for Kevin, and for the other people with the brake handle - they have a horrific way of being absolutely right.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 18:37:10 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Fred G on Thu May 18 06:59:41 2006.

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You mean to tell me that there are foamers on this bord?

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 18 18:38:21 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 18:25:21 2006.

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Correct. They continued to be referred to as Q units even after they were transferred to the 3rd Ave. el and later to the Myrtle Ave. line.

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Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 18:39:54 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 18 18:38:21 2006.

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OH ok, what used to get me confused was that the name "BMT", I thought they only ran on the BMT, not the IRT.

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Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by Howard Fein on Thu May 18 20:04:19 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return This Summer - consist rumor, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 18 13:41:34 2006.

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When I gave my check to Luz at the Museum this afternoon, she confirmed that the June 17 trip consist would be made up of both. She further stated that we wouldn't be allowed to ride the BUs while underground, but that when the train came outside we would be able to board them. I tried to ask the logistics of this but she had to answer the phone, and I had to get back to work.

What I'm wondering is, where would such a transfer occur? Would we pull into the siding by the abandoned Racetrack platform and everybody moves from the 1/9s into the BUs? Will the BUs be uncoupled and run on their own? If so, will they take a different route than the 1/9s, f'rinstance one consist to Far Rock and the other to Rock Park?

There had been a MOD trip combining 1/9s and BUs back in July '04. A prior commitment kept me from going on it, but I was able to 'see it off' that morning from Columbus Circle. It looked like people WERE riding in the BUs when it departed. So what was the format?

The other thing I didn't get to ask is where the June 17 trip would originate. I'm putting money on Columbus Circle. That's where a TM trip with D types I took in 2000 originated. The center platform is handy to keep railfans apart from regular people.





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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:06:17 2006, in response to Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by Howard Fein on Thu May 18 20:04:19 2006.

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What I don't get is how they can cuople a BU with an R33? It's an AMUE coupled with an SMEE. How are they compatible?

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu May 18 20:10:48 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:06:17 2006.

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When did they ever couple a BU to an R33?

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:12:58 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu May 18 20:10:48 2006.

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I have seen pictures of them doing it at Grand Central from Richard Panse.

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 20:16:33 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:12:58 2006.

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"Iron to iron" using an "adaptor" or "compromise coupler." Electrical portions are not connected ... there's plenty of "cobbage" in the TA arsenal when dissimilar cars need to be moved ... just can't MU them.

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu May 18 20:17:48 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:12:58 2006.

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Link, please. I see no such photos on NYCSubway.org.

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 18 20:18:38 2006, in response to Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by Howard Fein on Thu May 18 20:04:19 2006.

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Back in 2004, the BU's were cut and run seperatley on above ground routes. When we went to the Rockaways, the BU's were cut from the R1/9's at Rockaway Park during the lunch break. On the Brighton line, it was usually done at Church Ave.

The BU's never carried railfans on underground routes. Everyone had to ride in the steels. Only crews rode inside the wooden cars underground.

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 18 20:20:37 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:12:58 2006.

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I don't think so.

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 18 20:22:20 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 20:16:33 2006.

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An adaptor was used for the R1/9's. It jammed on the first BU trip and required a lot of effort to seperate them.

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Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 18 20:24:47 2006, in response to Re: Question re: BUs and R1-9s on same consist, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 18 20:16:33 2006.

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Oh, OK I knew the electrical portions could not work with eachother, just the iorn hook-up. Git it, thanks.

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