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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Apr 23 19:44:30 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 18:09:30 2006. RDCs are still running. I don't think any SPVs are still running under their own power. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 20:12:06 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 23 18:37:19 2006. I agree. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 20:12:25 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:28:50 2006. Is that not what I just said!? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 20:13:16 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Christopher Rivera on Sun Apr 23 18:11:11 2006. Might not be worth it to you, but it may be worth it to others. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 20:24:17 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sun Apr 23 19:01:05 2006. At my age I had to go down the track of the first job I got. But my boss is actually a former P&C person who claims pension is much more fun.Clearly, your boss is delusional... Of course I chose my field the "traditional" way. (i.e. same as you -- first offer I got). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 20:25:16 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sun Apr 23 19:09:40 2006. "Though there was the one poor shlemiel who got into an argument with his boss and quit 1 month before his 55th birthday, not realizing that the very heavily subsidized early retirement only applied to people still at work on their 55th birthday."I'm feeling agonizing pain just reading that! "Somehow it's rare that a company accidentally told someone too high a figure and now we have to go and reduce it on them." There are large groups of employees moving from defined benefit to cash balance plans. If I were in the grey zone there, I'd want your help to tell me whether I'm getting the shaft and if so, what would it take to make me whole - and then I'd need a lawyer. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 20:28:21 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Bob Andersen on Sun Apr 23 19:38:48 2006. I was lucky and had my FCAS completed at 27. (I still have no idea how I passed the Life Contingencies segment and probably couldn't get a single question correct on that topic today). That was all pre-kids and pretty much prior to having any major job responsiblities.I am in awe of people who are able to pass these exams while balancing career and family obligations. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 23 20:30:12 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 20:28:21 2006. So am I, for any professional licensure.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 20:42:55 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 20:12:25 2006. It's what you posted. I don't have my computer speaker turned on so I don't know if you said anything. 8-) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 23 20:46:30 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 23 20:30:12 2006. http://www.subchat.com/otchat/otchat.asp |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 20:50:53 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 20:24:17 2006. Roll the dice...but you know all about that! :0) |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Apr 23 21:22:19 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 23 18:26:03 2006. No, that's exactly what I was thinking of. Everyone knows transit systems buy their power at a wholesale industrial rate rather than a retail commercial or residential rate. However, the pricing of the power has nothing to do with comparing two EMUs of differing weights operating with the same traction power system and on the same railroad. If the cost at the substation is 8 cents per kwH for the one EMU, it's going to be 8 cents per kwH at the substation for the other, lighter EMU. Thus with all other things being equal the lighter weight EMU will consume less power and consequently less money per hour of operation.I do wonder about how they handle peak loads and payments based thereof. When I worked for the Philly Water Dept the load control unit would do major pumping during overnight and weekend hours. Stuff like filling tanks and reservoirs and other stuff requiring major electric usage would be delayed for hours rather than add to their peak hour power bill. I wish I could remember the little equation PECO and PWD used to figure out the billing, but I believe their hourly rate for a year was determined by the peak hour power they consumed the year before. Electric commuter railroads can't exactly rearrange their operations to suit peak hour demands by the power companies, so I'd imagine the arrangement is different. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 23 21:26:48 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sun Apr 23 21:22:19 2006. There is only one way to determine it: if electronic meters were installed on the cars to measure electricity intake. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Apr 23 21:53:57 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 23 21:26:48 2006. Any car is going to have an ammeter to measure the current draw from the third rail. Simply take the current draw and multiply by 750 to get the wattage a car is using at any given point. If the display isn't in the cab then there should at least be a diagnostic program that could display the current and power, as well as acceleration, wheelslip, and speed rates. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 22:02:31 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 20:12:25 2006. Sorry. You were a bit incoherent. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sun Apr 23 22:39:17 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sun Apr 23 21:53:57 2006. The ampmeter on a subway car only measures power drawn from one truck in propulsion.....POWER TEST. The M7 TOD maintainace screen does not give the details you speak of....it takes a download into a laptop. There is a direct kW/hr number available but I have not been instructed as to its relevance. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 23:10:16 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by R30A on Sun Apr 23 16:40:29 2006. Yes and also the original Metroliner MU coaches weren't very successfull too. OTOH, the Budd Amfleet coaches I heard were very good as well as the R32s.Just because I said Budd is overrated doesn't mean I hate Budd, but you have to know even the best railcar builders have a few misses as well. Budd is indeed a very good railcar company even though it is a shame it wasn't very sucessful businesswise. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 23:13:57 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 23:10:16 2006. It was successful and it wasn't overrated. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 23:19:12 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 23 13:40:01 2006. In addition to Mineola, I think you could add Hicksville and Freeport as possible locations that would see business boom if there were any meaningful improvement in LIRR's ability to handle a reverse commuting pattern. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 23:22:33 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 23:13:57 2006. Proof? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 23 23:46:11 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by tracksionmotor on Sun Apr 23 22:39:17 2006. One correction, Peter! In the first two points of power, the ammeter is measuring the current through both trucks. After transition, it's reading only one truck. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 23:49:19 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 23:22:33 2006. How can there be proof? It is an opinion. You'd need proff to show it is overrated just the same that I'd need proff to show it isn't overrated. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 00:55:24 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 23:49:19 2006. I understand and it is PROOF not PROFF. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 24 01:29:54 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 00:55:24 2006. He knows how to spell. Someone mispelled it once and it has since stuck as a joke on the board. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 01:32:00 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 23 23:46:11 2006. Significance of this changeover for us non-electrical engineers? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 01:32:31 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 24 01:29:54 2006. Among certain people only. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 01:32:53 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 00:55:24 2006. Indeed. Proof. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 02:14:14 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:39:24 2006. Look, 35 years is a nominal lifespan for most railcars, some railcars last longer, some railcars don't last as long. The M1s are operationally at the end of their useful life, they were never overhauled, most of them aren't in good shape, and have low MDBF. Enough said. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Apr 24 02:31:56 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 02:14:14 2006. The M1s are in shitty shape because the LIRR maitenance forces suck. Look at the PATCO cars, they're the same age with very similar propulsion and braking systems, and yet they're in much better shape. The PATCO maitenance crews may have a smaller fleet, but they do a much better job repairing their cars and consequently their cars are in nearly brand new shape. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 24 03:21:40 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Mon Apr 24 02:31:56 2006. The M1s are in shitty shape because the LIRR maitenance (sic) forces suck. Look at the PATCO cars, they're the same age with very similar propulsion and braking systems, and yet they're in much better shape. The PATCO maitenance crews may have a smaller fleet, but they do a much better job repairing their cars and consequently their cars are in nearly brand new shape.You just put yer foot in your mouth again.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 07:08:53 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 01:32:31 2006. Among this community only. Are you a member of it? No? Awwwww, that's too bad! No one likes little Ronny! Boo hoo hoo. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 07:09:03 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 00:55:24 2006. It's PROFF. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 07:10:14 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 24 02:14:14 2006. No it isn't. Try 40+ years. And it seems they aren't being maintained well. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 07:29:31 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 07:10:14 2006. Who says its 40 year for railcars , there is no set standard, railcars are writen off in 20 years, Its still amazing that the Budd M1's lasted this long with no support from its maker, and with supplies getting rarer every day.The Bombardier push pull cars were built for a life of 15 years, and MNCR is sending 40 or so cars out for rebuilt, yes life can be extended if the cars are big time overhauled. The M1's were not overhauled , not because LIRR or MNCR did not want to, but simply because there was no money in mid eighties and other things needed more attention. like the failing diesel fleet and coaches. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 08:20:44 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 07:29:31 2006. Why would they buy cars designed to only last 15 years? Maybe you mean 15 years before a rebuild? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 08:26:13 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 08:20:44 2006. A railcar and any locomotive or automobile only has xx amount of years in them unless rebuilt.The M1's were way past rebuilding, as I explained in my previous post. nothing last with minimum maintenance. but maintenance cost money, if the money is not there the railcar/locomotive/automobile becomes absolete. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 24 09:08:26 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Mon Apr 24 02:31:56 2006. First of all, the LIRR is the busiest commuter RR in the country. It's infastructure is strained way beyond that of "Patco". The trains run much more, and are used way more, and with more people that Patco. It's not a time frame you have to compare, but how many millions of miles those trains have run too.Not to mention that for older cars, the parts get harder and harder to obtain to replace. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 09:15:14 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Mon Apr 24 02:31:56 2006. I'm afraid you have it wrong. Olog and Chris are correct. In addition, PATCO doesn't subject its train cars to as much pounding:1) The majority of the PATCO fleet doesn't run except at rush hour (2 car trains are the norm) whereas 8-12 car trains run frequently o LIRR. 2) Even with 2 car trains, PATCO doesn't see the volume of ridership that pounds the heck out of the cars. I'm not taking anything away from PATCO here. The agency does a good job, and deserves credit for that. But LIRR does a great job too (and so does SEPTA, considering how old many of those railcars are). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 24 09:21:51 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Apr 23 19:44:30 2006. 
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 24 09:26:12 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 07:29:31 2006. The M1's were not overhauled , not because LIRR or MNCR did not want to, but simply because there was no money in mid eighties and other things needed more attention. like the failing diesel fleet and coaches.It would be interesting to know how much longer the M-1's would have lasted had they received proper maintenance. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 24 09:26:35 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 18:39:18 2006. Walking a dog is another. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 09:27:16 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 09:15:14 2006. 1) Because it is rapid transit/heavy rail, I'm willing to bet that PATCO's cars see more extreme starts and stops than the LIRR's cars. Furthermore, PATCO cars probably run at their maximum speeds a higher percentage of the time that the LIRR's cars. It's quite possible that the average speed of the PATCO cars is similar or higher than the LIRR's cars. As such, WillD makes a VALID comparison.2) Ridership does not "pound the heck" out of the cars. The cars running from point A to point B "pounds the heck" out of the cars no matter how many people are on-board. The weight of the cars on the trucks and frame is much greater than the weight of the passengers. The only things the passengers pound are the seats and floors, two items that are easily maintained and replaced. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 09:31:44 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 09:27:16 2006. Wow big statement here so lets get with WillD's weight statements, a passenger car with 109 commuters with average of 200 pounds adds 22000 Lbs to the car. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 09:33:10 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 24 09:26:12 2006. If they hadn't received proper maintenance they wouldn't have been running at all. They could have continued running even under the current day to day maintenance scheme for another five years. But that's beside the point. After 40 years of service, it was time for them to go because MTA wanted to introduce a different interior design and different level of amenities, and because MTA wanted a relationship with a current, viable manufacturer. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 24 09:34:23 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 18:37:46 2006. Again, Ronkonkoma itself is a healty, nice community, it's the the community of ROnkonkoma that needs any help, it's just the immediate area around the station that has become a hell hole. And it's worse since the massive amount of activity has come there with the dawn of electrification. They did build a nice new stationhouse about 10 years ago, as well as some stores included in that project to serve the commuters, but many of the stores are empty now. They were initially all occupied but some went out of business. The stores that were near the station (not part of the station building - meaning the now mostly vacant shopping center across from the station) also went out of business because no one used them anymore. People don't like to stop anywhere around the station. There is such chaos at that station, that people pick up their coffee, bagel, newspaper at some store along their way between their home and the station to avoid the station itself. They then run out of their cars, and directly to the platforms, without stopping at the stores in the station. In the evening, it's the reverse, they run out of their trains, off the platforms and to their cars, and then drive away as quick as they can. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 09:34:51 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 24 09:26:12 2006. With new trucks and upgraded propulsion the m-1 could have lasted 45 to 50 years,Its a stainless steel body and frame, one thing upset the entire scenario is upgrades required to make car comply with todays FRA requirements.major weak point on M-1's was the fabricated truck, so heavier cast trucks simular to the M3's would have been ordered if rebuilt. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 09:38:31 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 09:31:44 2006. And the car already weighs over 100,000 lbs right? So that's just 22% more. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 24 09:39:36 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 18:42:11 2006. The third track on the mainline between Hicksville and Queens Village is almost a complete given (at least the way he talked about it). The second track between Farmingdale and Ronkonkoma was "being looked into", and electrification and a new yard east of Ronkonkoma (somewhere undetermined), as well as complete electrification to that yard and station is in the early stages, and progressing, again due to the complete scrapping of the new yard and further electrification they had planned on the Port Jeff line. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Apr 24 09:40:15 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 09:38:31 2006. Its just 22% in your and my eyes, in WillD's skewed world its like a loaded stone hopper. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 24 09:40:29 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 24 09:33:10 2006. They could have continued running even under the current day to day maintenance scheme for another five years.What is your basis for that? MTA wanted to introduce a different interior design Yeah, ok, that sounds real important. different level of amenities FALSE. You mean a different level of ADA requirements. The new cars have no new amenities that I benefit from. |
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