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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:22:00 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 19:22:17 2006. You can't use the "foamer" epithet"It's not an epithet, since the foamers wear it with pride. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:23:34 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 19:22:17 2006. "You like to talk about male foamers ejaculating. "If they can't they think there's something wrong. Either that or they missed the little sign on the hose that said "Female Connector." |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:24:16 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 22 20:30:58 2006. That's a very interesting point. I like that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:25:36 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:21:20 2006. No, I'm afraid you midssed the whole point. But you usually do on this topic, since it isn't about railfanning. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 00:28:52 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:25:36 2006. lol |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 23 01:07:05 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:25:36 2006. Oh, be quiet and B7 yourself. Your rant about male railfans orgasming has sunk you lower than Subway Camper's comment about spitting on himself while being in the midst of "dancing with himself" . . . |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 01:12:39 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 23 01:07:05 2006. Go find a girlfriend, Olog. A pretty one. (That's a girl, not a train).:0) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 23 01:22:32 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 23:13:33 2006. No it ain't. Those trains are always delayed on the High Line now. |
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Forget the JFK Express AND the A train |
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Posted by UWS Greg on Sun Apr 23 01:47:17 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. I fly out of JFK a lot, usually 2-3x a month. I can't imagine why so many people take the A train... maybe just force of habit.Of course the LIRR is the fastest way to Jamaica/AirTrain but from midtown, the E takes only about 10-12 minutes longer than the LIRR... and is a WHOLE lot faster than the A to Howard Beach. I'm always amazed to see throngs of people at 42nd/8th, obviously on their way to JFK, waiting for a downtown A when they'd do much better crossing over and taking the uptown E. However, an important factor is luggage... and time of day. If someone's juggling lots of bags on the E, inbound in the morning or outbound in the afternoon would be a nightmare. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Sun Apr 23 03:25:55 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 22 11:38:55 2006. 72nd/2nd will be a useful northern terminal in 2012 though |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 08:16:26 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:25:36 2006. You're right. I missed the whole point. The point is that you're a know-it-all who doesn't know what he's talking about. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 08:43:03 2006, in response to Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by UWS Greg on Sun Apr 23 01:47:17 2006. It also amazes me. I don't rind the A to be the "airport train" really anymore. Of course, it is "an" airt train, but I feel THE airport train is the E from Manhattan to Jamaica. Why anyone would treck all the way to Howard Beach is beyond me (unless of course on the Brooklyn IND). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 08:43:39 2006, in response to Re: Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 08:43:03 2006. I don't rind the A to be the "airport train" really anymore.I meant "find", not "rind". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:09:10 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 08:16:26 2006. Exactly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:09:30 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:21:20 2006. Ron is a fucktard. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:11:06 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 18:55:40 2006. Whoa. Big FALSE on that one. You know absolutely NOTHING about TRANSPORTATION PLANNING if you think "The 'one seat ride' is a nonsense term used by foamers and politicians. Riders couldn't give a shit." |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 09:20:26 2006, in response to Re: Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 08:43:03 2006. Manhattan is not a single point.Somebody coming from lower Manhattan is better off on the A. Somebody coming from somewhere uptown on the A, especially with a lot of luggage, is probably better off staying on the A (especially if a Far Rock train comes first) than making the additional transfer to the E. And then there are the people who have somehow discovered the barely publicized Q10 and prefer to use it over the AirTrain option. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 09:21:27 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:11:06 2006. I guess transportation planners are just foamers. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:22:55 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 23 01:07:05 2006. Ok, I'll b7 myself for a couple of days. I have a test I need to take. |
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This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:33 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:22:55 2006. ....Because of concerns from nudnicks such as Deaks and Silverfox. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:41 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 09:21:27 2006. I guess so. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:25:45 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:41 2006. otherwise they wouldn't be transportation planners. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:51:00 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:25:45 2006. False you moron. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 09:52:41 2006, in response to Re: Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 09:20:26 2006. And of course the J/Z is more interesting than the A or E.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Apr 23 10:13:50 2006, in response to Re: Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 09:52:41 2006. Not to mention it's the only one of the three that you stand a chance of fitting onto with luggage during rush hour... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 10:23:39 2006, in response to Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by UWS Greg on Sun Apr 23 01:47:17 2006. Taking rail with a ;ot of bags is more difficult than using a car service. That's true of any rail service except one where you can check your bags.But if your party has 2 bags per person, there isn't a problem so long as you have elevators and escalators to use. Plus, unlike the LIRR, which is as luggage-friendly as you could ask of a commuter line, the subway doesn't have a lot of ADA-compliant stations with elevators and ramps. That situation is improving, slowly. For example, the E is elevato equipped from its Jamaica Terminal to the QB line; Kew Gardens is not ADA compliant, but Roosevelt-Jackson Heights is and so is Queens Plaza (if they've finally turned on those elevators), Lexington-53rd (if they are done with that project) and Penn Station. So there are some limitations, no doubt. I personally like to travel light (one big bag and one little one I can carry; maybe a backpack too sometimes) so I can handle rail easily. If I carry more, I couldn't use rail at all. |
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Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Apr 23 10:25:30 2006, in response to This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:33 2006. I wouldn't call SilverFox a nudnick. In general, if he was in the same academic program as you, his GPA would pwn yours. |
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Posted by Deaks on Sun Apr 23 10:48:06 2006, in response to This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:33 2006. Feel free to never come back! |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 11:00:24 2006, in response to Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by Deaks on Sun Apr 23 10:48:06 2006. I'll be back. If I'm not, rest assured I'll be saying something on a website associated with me and pointed out by me on my blog. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Apr 23 11:17:29 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. The reality is that it really should be called the Howard Beach Express since that is the community it really served. The train did not stop in poor areas along the way to the city, so it became an "exclusive train" for them. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 11:49:08 2006, in response to Re: Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 09:20:26 2006. "Somebody coming from somewhere uptown on the A, especially with a lot of luggage, is probably better off staying on the A (especially if a Far Rock train comes first) than making the additional transfer to the E."Actually, they are better off transferring to the LIRR at Penn Station. Any train except the Port Washington train will connect them to AirTrain. If they rank strictly by price, though, staying on the A is the way to go, since you trade time for money. "And then there are the people who have somehow discovered the barely publicized Q10 and prefer to use it over the AirTrain option. " Always a few schlubs everywhere... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 12:34:03 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 23 09:21:27 2006. Still sore about neither MTA nor the PA wanting to hire you to solve their problems?Ask your secret MTA source, you know, Eliyahu Hanavi's girlfriend, why. (Did you remember to leave out a second wine cup and some kosher grub for her this last seder?) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 23 13:39:17 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:22:55 2006. So why do you have to make an announcement that you're going to B7 yourself? Just turn off the computer and review your notebooks and textbooks and whatever else you have to do. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Apr 23 13:53:20 2006, in response to This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:33 2006. Must be some hangover |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:04:35 2006, in response to Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by BIE on Sun Apr 23 10:25:30 2006. "I wouldn't call SilverFox a nudnick"I would. His GPA has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 14:19:45 2006, in response to Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:04:35 2006. SilverFox is a fine, upstanding member of this community, unlike you. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Apr 23 14:48:29 2006, in response to Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:04:35 2006. Nor does his politics. I disagree with SilverFox on many issues but respect his intelligence. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 23 14:50:21 2006, in response to This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by New Brunswick Station on Sun Apr 23 09:24:33 2006. Stated correctly. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 16:17:40 2006, in response to Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by BIE on Sun Apr 23 14:48:29 2006. Agreed. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 23 16:27:02 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 18:55:40 2006. If the riders don't give a shit, how come many of the people at the public hearing for Ride-On's Germantown Restructuring were complaining about the fact they had to change buses to reach the Metro? Those people are not transit fans, I can assure you of that. And I have plenty of other similar examples of how transfers can discourage transit use. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 16:28:12 2006, in response to Re: This just in: Richard Rabinowitz will b7 himself for two days, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 16:17:40 2006. That's not what you wrote earlier. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 16:34:40 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 23 16:27:02 2006. "If the riders don't give a shit, how come many of the people at the public hearing for Ride-On's Germantown Restructuring were complaining about the fact they had to change buses to reach the Metro?"Because that's a BUS. Not only that, it's two buses. Self-explanatory. And I don't blame them. There's nothing here similar to AirTrain. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 23 16:49:24 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 16:34:40 2006. Sorry Ron but the argument doesn't work that way. These people had a bus-subway commute that became a bus-bus-subway commute. You try publicizing this, explaining to people why it must be done, what the benefits are, and try ignoring their complaint that they don't want to have to wait in the cold or summer heat for another bus. When they moved to Germantown years ago, they knew there was no subway, but did not expect the service change. While I think there are problems with the Ride-On changes, some of which are beyond RO's control due to where their facilities are and how they are laid out, overall the change has been good and ridership numbers indicate that.Have you ever tried transfering from Airtrain to the subway or LIRR at Jamacia? I wouldn't exactly call it a seamless or pleasant connection, especially if I have luggage. Then again, I did it when there was still construction going on at the complex, but even so. It is also expensive. Good train to airport connections are one-seat rides. You can get from almost anywhere in downtown DC to National Airport without a change of trains, and the subway station is right next to the main terminal. You can get from practically anywhere in downtown Chicago to either Midway or O'Hare Airport without a change in trains, and most terminals at O'Hare only require a long walk at most (there is the one exception). The new terminal at Midway reduced the walk from the terminal to the subway station. And until you start giving the people who you don't agree with more respect, I will continue to lose respect for you and your ideas. I am sure other people will do the same. Then again, you certainly gave me and one other poster who you have been quite rude to in this thread a number of amusing topics to discuss over the past week over the meals we've had together. Maybe you should keep it up, your ideas provide for very good dinner conversation. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 17:25:09 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 16:34:40 2006. False, Ron. All transportation planners, and many educated people who aren't, know that the general public highly values less transfers over more transfers, no matter the mode of public transport. Oren is correct and you are wrong. Stop arguing with people who obviously know much more than you. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 18:31:43 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 23 16:49:24 2006. "Have you ever tried transfering from Airtrain to the subway or LIRR at Jamacia? "Yes. With luggage. And I only have full use of one hand. "I wouldn't exactly call it a seamless or pleasant connection, especially if I have luggage" There isn't anything more seamless around, especially with the central eevator bank connecting everything together. You're back to foaming. "You try publicizing this, explaining to people why it must be done, what the benefits are, and try ignoring their complaint that they don't want to have to wait in the cold or summer heat for another bus." In other words, you forget all about why your agency exists. It's to serve customers. That's what got Richard White fired. That's also why you don't work there. Of course, maybe you think you do. A SEPTA manager once remarked that transit is a little like daytime soap operas (the knock on the door and there's the son you never knew you had) . The foamers like you are employees the agency never knew it had. Most of the time it doesn't cost them anything, so it's OK. "You can get from practically anywhere in downtown Chicago to either Midway or O'Hare Airport without a change in trains" Chicago has one central business district, and it's smaller than New York's (which has several CBDs). Even so, you'd still have to hike to a train through the streets if you were 100% allergic to changing trains. "You can get from almost anywhere in downtown DC to National Airport without a change of trains, and the subway station is right next to the main terminal." Comparing Reagan to JFK is ridiculous, but you already know that. La Guardia is the appropriate comparison point. "and most terminals at O'Hare only require a long walk at most" Which is why the airTrain arrangement is far superior to it. The distance from any AirTrain station to your gate is much less and there are no exceptions. "The new terminal at Midway reduced the walk from the terminal to the subway station." Yes, this was very nicely designed, bravo for them. But that's a LaGuardia class airport, not JFK. If you want respect for your knowledge and ability to reason, you'll have to earn it. You're a good photographer who otherwise is an ignorant immature foamer. That's a fact. The only way to get around that is for you to educate yourself and grow up. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Sun Apr 23 18:38:09 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 13:00:37 2006. But it takes forever. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Sun Apr 23 18:40:35 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 22 11:38:55 2006. Today, almost all cars are grafitti-free. Agreed. But keep in mind: today, almost all cars have scratchitti. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Sun Apr 23 18:44:25 2006, in response to Re: Forget the JFK Express AND the A train, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 09:52:41 2006. It also takes too long. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 18:50:22 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Market-Frankford on Sun Apr 23 18:38:09 2006. About 50 minutes or so. It grinds and screeches and makes lots of stops but if you look at your watch and compare travel times, you'll see it's really pretty good, most of the time. The skip-stop is a little better and the express run which skips M-served stations helps too. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 23 19:13:42 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 18:31:43 2006. Ron,You need to stop ignoring the critical points of my argument. If you bothered to read my original post, you would see that when I was there, the facility was under construction. I made that fact clear. You outright ignored it in an attempt to prove me wrong. I'm glad to hear that the finished product is seamless. I shall have to go and check it out sometime. Also, the people who are going to be given a stack of brochures, told to stand out at some subway station, and hand them out for 4 hours are not managers. They are going to be entry level employees who don't make decisions going into service changes. Their job is to simply give out the information they are provided, and they are not trained to deal with everyone's complaints and specific problems. Also, it is the job of the agency to serve its customers, and I'm not so sure many customers would turn down evening, weekend, and midday service they did not formerly have just to retain their one-seat ride to the Metro. If you ask me, the Germantown Restructuring is sucessful by virtue of increasing the amount of service to a growing community within a much shorter period of time than had the existing routes not been changed. There are many people here who disagree with you, Ron. Regardless of who is right, your name-calling and other childlike behavior is not conducive to civil conversation and debate. Please cease and desist, it would make discussing these matters with you much easier. |
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