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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:19:11 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 01:10:55 2006. It's the same thing as when someone keeps pouring money into am old car. At some point you are puring more money into the clunker than it's worth, and it's better to replace it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:21:10 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:45:42 2006. And those large anus suits they have to fit into.Those ties even have to be long enough to fit over that hump of a stomach. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:22:55 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:38:28 2006. Believe me, I do understand. I wouldn't eeven sit in the middle seat of the M1/M2's....forget about an M7! I always stand when the train gets that crowded. It doesn't take that many people for me to become a "doorway stander". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:25:34 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 00:20:52 2006. How long ago? Before or after that memo and letter that went out.Remember, you can't get too much higher than hearing this statement OUT OF THE MOUTH of the LIRR president himself. He made it very clear it was perfectly legal from public areas. He even sort of laughed that it's even an issue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:29:13 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:34:04 2006. Ah, I didn't realize that. It may even be worth their while to pull Yaphank into Ronkonkoma's zone when and if the extend electrification to Yaphank (or wherever). But again, I think Yaphank is far enough away not to cause a problem with people still going to Ronkonkoma even though they are right near Yaphank. After all, by that point it wouldn't be any different than any other two adjoining stations in different fare zones. For example, I don't think that many more people go to let's say Sayville instead of Patchogue just because Patchogue is the next zone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:33:59 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:45:51 2006. YEs, Yaphank has plenty room. I don't actually know what they are going to do with Medford. The work "Medford" wasn't even mentioned. I just assumed that if the trains are going past, they are stopping, but perhaps they may alternate them stopping somewhat to not let Medford become "too busy" if there's no room. They do have some room there for lot expansion, but you can't make let's say another Deer Park out of it either. yaphank has large tracts of land, even if they don't use the exact current location of the Yaphank station. It may be pushed a little further east. However, he also mentioned that they liked the locatioin because of it's easy access to Yaphank Ave (route 21), which also has v ery easy access to both the expressway and the Sunrise Highways. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:38:33 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 00:13:42 2006. YEs, but all those people also arrive there too. It's the location of the station. It's surrounded by pitchpine forest, the airport, the industrial development, and whatever retail is there is rundown because all the thousands of people enter and escape the place as hast as they can. The small amount of housing there is run down bungalos turned rental, and there's not much (remember, I don't necessarily mean "Ronkonkoma" itself, I am strictly talking about the area around the station). Also, with ROnkonkoma Ave being a huge overpass, any non-commuter people also speed by the station area. And for any no commuter person to use the stores, or whatever near the station it's also a nightmare because there's no where to park because of the chaos commuter situation there.It's a place to avoid unless you have to be there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:40:43 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:30:11 2006. Correct. There's a Pizza place, a bank, and a few other stores, but nothing to speak of. Some are empty. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:45:48 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:23:07 2006. Ronkonkoma station attracts thousands of commuters a day, but that certainly hasn't produced a thriving commercial district in the station vicinity.In fact, I think it even killed whatever buisness that was there before! That shopping center that's almost abanoned across the street was full of stores when the station was a "normal" station before electrification. The stores were patronized because not only did it get a lot of the commuters that patronized them, they also got locals, and other people. With the grade elimination of Ronkonkoma Ave, that got rid of the people driving by. The shear volume of cars got rid of anyone making a special trip to let's say the old deli that was there, and the chaos got rid of the commuters trying to get there. It's a project just to get to the other side of the tracks now. And there's no place to park near there because of all the cars, so that ends commuters stopping there for just a cup of coffee or a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich. And definitely, the complete circus there will make anyone who is not a commuter use any of those businesses either, so ironically, the area around ROnkonkoma is a victim of ROnkonkoma's success. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 08:46:22 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:51:13 2006. So then why can't the M7's be scheduled for Flatbush/ESA and the less crowded Penn Station runs and the M7B's (for lack of a better term for my idea of bilevel M7's) for the rest of the Penn Station trainsI do not deny what Peter Rosa is saying that 2x2 is more comfortable for those seated, but overall it is impractical. If the MTA kept the aisle width the same, that would result in a significant decrease in the capacity of the train. From past experience, except in the door areas, it is uncomfortable to fit 2 people side by side in the aisle. 2x2 with the current aisle width would essentially be decreasing capacity of each car by approximately 1/6 assuming every seat is taken currently and the aisles are used to capacity. In reality it will probably be closer to 1/8 or 1/10. If it was 1/6, that would mean that every 12 car consist would have to include 2 more cars just to get back to original capacity if my numbers are correct. The electrical needs would offset the comfort gains. Increasing the aisle width to allow for 2 people to stand next to each other in the aisle would result in little, if any, gain in seat size so as to render the change utterly useless |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 08:51:01 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 08:46:22 2006. So then why can't the M7's be scheduled for Flatbush/ESA and the less crowded Penn Station runs and the M7B's (for lack of a better term for my idea of bilevel M7's) for the rest of the Penn Station trainsFlexibility. There are no designated trainsets on the electric lines. A train can come from Ronkonkoma ride to Penn Station. Then it's sent to let's say Long Beach. Then that trainset is sent from Long Beach to Flatbush. Then it is sent to let's say Hempstead. Then it is sent from Hempstead to let's say Pennn Station. It may then become a Huntington Train. Then it may be sent out from Huntington (in the future) to Grand Central. The schedule allows flexibility, as a trainset can be sent anywhere on the electric territory. It would hinder the schedule and flexibility if they were forced not to be able to send some to Brooklyn or in the future Grand Central. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 08:59:13 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 08:51:01 2006. I did not consider flexibility. However, if you keep the M7B's for Babylon and Main Line service, it could work. During off peak times certain terminals are used almost exclusively for certain lines (for example, Hempstead and Far Rockaway trains terminating at Flatbush Avenue). What if, when Grand Central is open, terminate Port Washington and Long Beach trains there. That would leave the overwhelming majority of off-peak Babylon and Main Line services at Penn Station. The only question I have is during peak times. However, that could be avoided by careful scheduling of trains |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 09:31:23 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 00:20:52 2006. How the fuck can you not now? The guy said it! Just cuz you were questioned doesn't mean shit except for that maybe the word hasn't filtered down to that cop yet. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:36:19 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:52:22 2006. According to just you and no one else. No one else would say that. So keep living in your dream world. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 09:39:13 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:36:19 2006. I would say that (what SUBWAYMAN said) too. Ron does not respond to every post by putting down the poster like you do. At least Ron offers constructive comments. You just hurl insults |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:39:24 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:39:54 2006. You always say that when you have no proff, like I said. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:40:10 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:40:42 2006. False. They made great stuff. You just don't know about it. Ignorance is not an excuse. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 09:40:12 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:19:11 2006. Hey, any car that looks like the batmobile, you put money into it even if it is your junker car....especially when someone throws a brick through your back window and your brake lines are all rusted out.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:41:04 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:41:38 2006. No, you are an idiot, because photography is 100% legal and you "don't know." You are a moron to the nth degree. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 09:41:29 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:40:10 2006. Just because they made great stuff, does not mean they can't be overrated. If it is held out as being perfect and it is not, then it is overrated |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:53:50 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 09:39:13 2006. I only put down SUBWAYMAN and RON because they put me down first. Everyone else deserves and receives much better treatment. You are BLIND if you think Ron doesn't put people down. Did you read about all the masturbation? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:54:35 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 09:41:29 2006. BUDD was not perfect, they made great stuff, and they are not overrated. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 10:11:11 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:22:55 2006. Believe me, I do understand. I wouldn't eeven sit in the middle seat of the M1/M2's....forget about an M7! I always stand when the train gets that crowded. It doesn't take that many people for me to become a "doorway stander".One very awkward situation is when you get on an M-7 and all the seats on the 2-across side are filled but there are some open aisle or (rarely) window seats on the 3-across side. Take one of those seats and you'll be fine ... unless a Middle Seat Hog* arrives on the scene, and then you're dead meat. What DO you do? * = Middle Seat Hog is a new addition to my LIRR Lexicon, to go along with such favorites as Cows-at-the-Slaughterhouse-Chute Half-Moons, the Baby Elephant Walk, Midget Anorectic Quadruple Amputees, the Look of Love, and, of course, Suit-Covered Anus (or the last term's full version, namely Testosterone-Dripping Alpha Male, Cartball Playing, Alphanumeric Driving, Won't-Fight-Back-Against-the-Hijackers, New-Trophy-Wife-Every-Few-Years, Suit-Covered Anus (whew!)) My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 10:14:51 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:29:13 2006. I don't think that many more people go to let's say Sayville instead of Patchogue just because Patchogue is the next zone.I doubt so too. On the other hand, I wouldn't at all be surprised if some people, especially women, go to Sayville instead of Patchogue because the area of the latter station can be a bit scary after dark. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Sun Apr 23 10:29:44 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 08:59:13 2006. I think you'd see support for ESA evaporate pretty quickly once it turns out that the only people who'd get one-seat rides to GCT would be the people on those two lines. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Sun Apr 23 10:42:25 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:47:39 2006. Been a long time since i was out there. Where does double tracking end? Any realistic talk of extending it to Ronkonkoma or beyond? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 11:00:32 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Brighton Private on Sun Apr 23 10:29:44 2006. How would that be different from any other line during off-peak hours? Save a couple of reverse peak trains, all Hempstead off-peak trains go to Flatbush Avenue, including all weekend service. So not only is there once an hour service from every station on the line off peak, but unless you are on one of the 3 or 4 trains that go to/from Penn Station, you are forced to transfer to/from a crowded Babylon or Long Beach train |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 11:01:53 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Brighton Private on Sun Apr 23 10:42:25 2006. The double-tracking ends after Farmingdale, though there are some long sidings and all the stations except Wyandanch have two platforms (Ronkonoma has three).My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Apr 23 11:09:01 2006, in response to The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 21 23:55:11 2006. They are actively persuing the third track on the mainline. Many upgrades are planned for the corridor between Hicksville and Queens Village. This includes station improvements, a third track, as well as complete grade crossing elimination in that corridor.How come doesn't say what the LIRR plans on doing with the communities along the corridor that are planning opposition against the plan...ie. Bellerose and Carle Place to name a few. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Sun Apr 23 12:44:54 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Apr 23 11:09:01 2006. If I were LIRR president, I would threaten to close down the Bellerose and Carle Place Stations completely and just run the third track through what was formerly their station platforms. Then see how much opposition there would be! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 23 12:58:54 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 10:11:11 2006. Maitre Rosa, what's the "look of love"? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 13:19:14 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 08:59:13 2006. Since the PW is half hourly service off peak, why not switch between NYP and GCT between each run. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 13:21:13 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Brighton Private on Sun Apr 23 10:42:25 2006. Chris says that at the meeting, LIRR is looking into the possibility of double tracking east of Farmingdale to I assume Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 23 13:40:01 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:21:50 2006. Yes, but Stamford and White Plains are cities. Ronkonkoma is a run down summer bungalow little town (at least near where the station is), still surrounded by scrub pitchpine forest. Whatever homes are near there are run down little bungalos. It never was anything more than that. It's not even really suburban, and urban certainly not.The people here who keep advocating for Ronkonkoma to become a TOD don't realize that comparing to Stamford or White Plains is the worst comparison to make. Ronkonkoma sorta fills the same niche that a Brewster or Suffern fills. It's basically the end of 1tph service, and where the exurbs begin. LIRR's closest comparison to Stamford and White Plains would be Mineola, and compared to the former, Mineola's "low dense" like most other areas around LIRR stations. La Grande Anse |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:19:02 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:52:22 2006. Dermody's credibility is the issue here - and he maintains it well.Leave Brian alone. If you're going to pick fights, dpon't do it someone defenseless like that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:20:33 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 23:12:01 2006. Maybe Ronk needs some civic boosters. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 14:22:23 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:19:02 2006. Dermody's credibility is the issue here - and he maintains it well.You don't know anything about Dermody to make such a statement. And you have no credibly here at SubChat except for with about five misguided individuals. So go on posting here, I don't care, but neither does anyone else. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Apr 23 14:57:37 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 14:22:23 2006. Brian,Stop your HATE Ron campaign. Ron, Stop saying that Brian is maladjusted. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Apr 23 15:23:20 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Apr 23 09:39:13 2006. I think you have the two of them mixed up; it's very much the other way around. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 16:09:42 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by BIE on Sun Apr 23 14:57:37 2006. Let him post what he wants. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 16:21:09 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 23 12:58:54 2006. Maitre Rosa, what's the "look of love"?I'm sitting in the window seat of a 2-across, the aisle seat is empty, and people are walking down the aisle looking for seats. A young(ish) woman stops in the aisle, turns to sit in the vacant aisle seat, gets a look at me, and then once she sees me she goes to sit somewhere else. The Look of Love. It happens at least once a month. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:24:17 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:41:04 2006. B7 |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:28:50 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 09:31:23 2006. Just cuz you were questioned doesn't mean shit except for that maybe the word hasn't filtered down to that cop yet.Maybe the cop didn't know it was legal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 16:28:59 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:24:17 2006. Thanks for the proff. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:29:41 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 16:28:59 2006. Thanks for talking out of your ass. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 16:30:03 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:28:50 2006. That's not your problem, that's his problem. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 16:31:18 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 14:20:33 2006. There's nothing wrong with the town of Ronkonkoma itself. It's basically the area near the station that's rather rundown.I should point out that the area to the south of the station, around the airport, has grown considerably in recent years with all sort of new commercial and industrial construction. The LIRR has contributed little if anything to that growth, however. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 16:34:12 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:28:50 2006. That's not your problem, that's his problem. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:34:50 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 09:40:10 2006. I know Budd made great stuff but some of thier stuff were not successful. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 16:35:12 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 16:29:41 2006. Sorry, I'm right - taking photos is 100% legal. You're the only one talking out of your ass by saying "I don't know" when everyone else is telling you you're wrong. |
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