|
|
| Re: The LIRR President Speaks (244048) | |
 |
|
| Home > SubChat | |
[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]
|
Page 3 of 11 |
||
|
| (244554) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Apr 22 23:15:09 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Apr 22 00:43:12 2006. What about the constant flat wheels on the M-7s? |
|
|
| (244555) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 22 23:15:24 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:11:17 2006. I wonder if electrification is extended to, say, Yaphank, if that is another fare zone (higher fare) would take encourage some to stay parked at Ronk? |
|
|
| (244556) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:16:56 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 23:12:01 2006. The thing is though that ROnkonkoma is "far" from being a city like STamford or White Plains.Before 1987, it was a little rural outpost of a station, in the middle of a run down summer bungalow community. Even today, it's not even really a real suburban area either. Once away from the station, it is far from even a Levittown-like area, and much less a city-like area. It's still the middle of scrub-pine Suffolk county, and the only reason it's "even on the map" so to speak is because electrification decided to park it's end there. |
|
|
(Sponsored) |
iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It |
|
| (244557) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 22 23:17:17 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Apr 22 23:15:09 2006. Were M1 wheels round? Were they silent? I don't know about you, but I remember lots of flats on M1's! |
|
|
| (244558) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Apr 22 23:19:02 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 23:12:01 2006. There's plenty of development in Stamford. |
|
|
| (244560) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:21:50 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Apr 22 23:19:02 2006. Yes, but Stamford and White Plains are cities. Ronkonkoma is a run down summer bungalow little town (at least near where the station is), still surrounded by scrub pitchpine forest. Whatever homes are near there are run down little bungalos. It never was anything more than that. It's not even really suburban, and urban certainly not. |
|
|
| (244562) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:24:25 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 22 23:04:08 2006. Yes. And they aren't that great to begin with. |
|
|
| (244563) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:28:22 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 22 23:15:24 2006. Perhaps. But perhaps not.And IINM, Medford and Yaphank are in the next fare zone. But to avoid all that is "Ronkonkoma Station", I am sure many will feel it's worth it. Not to mention that it's at least a 15 minute drive from Yaphank to ROnkonkoma. That's an extra half hour a day for these people. That may not be enough to make Medford explode in ridership (which is closer to Ronkonkoma), but it will be enough for Yaphank. |
|
|
| (244564) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:28:25 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:05:38 2006. It's no surprise the M1s are getting 27,000 miles between failures, the LIRR's maitenance forces have no doubt said "fuck it" when it comes to permanently fixing problems. You wouldn't happen to have a number for the M3s, since they're fairly similar to the M1s and actually likely to be maintained at this point might provide a better indication.And I don't really care about the MDBF, that'd be low no matter how heavy the car was. The simple fact is that the MTA singularly failed to provide any oversight on the project or in the specifications and are now stuck with a massively overweight EMU which will provide little or no improvement on economy when compared to the M1s. A lighter EMU with the same power systems would have lowered the MTA's power bills and brought them closer to parity with their subsidy. |
|
|
| (244565) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 22 23:32:34 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 22 23:17:17 2006. Yes, but the M1s are ages old, the M7s are brand spankin new. I will admit though that the M7s have quicker braking which engineers are not used to, so their applying the brakes too hard is definately a contributing factor. |
|
|
| (244566) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:35:35 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:28:25 2006. He said the number last night, but I don't remember. I'm going to say he said something like 65,000 or so (give or take). It was higher than the M1's, but not terribly. It was exponentially lower than the M7's though.They are a little newer than the M1's, even if just a little. also, the mistakes in the M1's may have been corrected in the M3's when built. |
|
|
| (244567) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 22 23:40:23 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 11:19:11 2006. Dermody definately sounds like a very rational guy. I can understand the issues with adding service on the Ronkonkoma b/c of the track work and [lack of] yard space. However, if what Peter Rosa says is true, then maybe there is space after all, but I'm sure LIRR has looked into every option in the Ronkonkoma area. If Manorville-Eastport was still around, it could be stored in Speonk. Oh well.Now, he said photography IN the yards is illegal unless otherwise stated. Did he say anything about photography OF the yards from PUBLIC PROPERTY(I.E. platform, train)? |
|
|
| (244568) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Apr 22 23:42:44 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sat Apr 22 22:14:44 2006. Are the seats ideal in a packed peak train, no. However, that is harder to pin on the MTA than Peter Rosa thinks. Federal requirements require the aisle to be as wide as it is. These requirements also necessitate the large bathroom and door areas that reduce seating capacity. 4 abreast would lead to larger seats, but it would further reduce seating capacity. While many middle seats go unused, I have also been on trains where EVERY seat in the car I was in was taken and then some. What would be worth considering though is if it was possible to make what is essentially a bi-level M7 that does not require the use of the DE/DMs |
|
|
| (244570) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 22 23:45:51 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:28:25 2006. WillD's massive overweight m7 is :13000 lbs heavier than a acmu 18000 lbs heavier than a M-3 11000 lbs heavier than a RDC 1300 lbs heavier than a SPV (yes 1300) 2000 lbs heavier than a pullman standard locomotive hauled coach 10000 lbs heavier than a Budd stailess steel locomotive hauled coach. so much for massive exageration. |
|
|
| (244571) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:46:31 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 22 23:40:23 2006. He didn't specifically say you are not allowed to take photos "of yards". He said you can take photos legally from public areas. He also mentioned that occasionally they allow photos inside yards with permission.It wasn't really covered 'taking photos of yards from public areas" actually defined, however, I would assume that would be a yes, if you are in a public area. He specifically said, it's not allowed IN the yard (there illegally), or on the ROWs themselves, etc. |
|
|
| (244572) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:48:47 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 22 23:45:51 2006. Wow, those pullmans must have been some heavy coaches! |
|
|
| (244573) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:49:30 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:35:35 2006. 65,000 is more than double the M1's if that's 27,000 miles, that's hardly "a little better". 165,000 miles is roughly 65,000 to the 1.085 power, again hardly exponentially greater. It'll be interesting to see how the next few years go for the M7s. |
|
|
| (244574) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:51:13 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Apr 22 23:42:44 2006. That is where it lies. The M1's were built when the aisles didn't have to be as wide because of ADA. The huge stupid bathroom is not the MTA's idea, but an ADA requirement. They couldn't put C3 style seating in because it would limit seating. On the C3's it's not a problem because they are bilevels. They couldn't have made the M7s bilevels, as they wouldn't fit on the Flatbush line, or the 63rd St tunnel when ESA opens. |
|
|
| (244575) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 22 23:54:31 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 11:52:31 2006. How the hell can they be happy about the new signaling system!? The engineers can't even see the damn aspects. |
|
|
| (244576) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:54:40 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:49:30 2006. Okay, not "hardly better" or "expentially worse".But look at it: 27,000 65,000 165,000 The M3's are about 28,000 better than the M1's, but the M7's are about 100,000 better than the M3's.... That's a big difference. |
|
|
| (244577) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Apr 22 23:55:43 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 22:20:00 2006. You have no idea what you're talking about. |
|
|
| (244579) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Apr 22 23:58:15 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 22:42:23 2006. The M1 (junkheaps) were and ARE at the end of their useful life. They are not being prematurely retired. |
|
|
| (244580) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:59:39 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 22 23:54:31 2006. They are happy with it because it will allow for better flexibity though.Mr Dermody did say though that he was the last person that signed it. He had mixed feelings about the project, but he admitted that it was more for nostalgic reasons that he didn't like the idea than for practical ones. He is a very down to earth and reasonable guy, at least that's how he came off. He seems to understand railfans very well too, perhaps even a "closet" one himself. |
|
|
| (244581) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 00:02:35 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:54:40 2006. I'm sorry that was a typo, The M3's are 38,000 better than the M1's.. |
|
|
| (244587) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 00:13:42 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 23:12:01 2006. The difference is the lack of a reverse commute possibility. As the end of the line, Ronkonkoma is a departure point only. The single track situation eliminates any reason to locate commercial development there. |
|
|
| (244588) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 00:17:18 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 22 23:15:24 2006. It is a different zone, but the monthly cost difference is only about 48 dollars. $2 a day isn't going to cause people to drive an extra 20+ miles round trip. |
|
|
| (244589) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:17:34 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Apr 22 23:42:44 2006. However, that is harder to pin on the MTA than Peter Rosa thinks. Federal requirements require the aisle to be as wide as it is. These requirements also necessitate the large bathroom and door areas that reduce seating capacity. 4 abreast would lead to larger seats, but it would further reduce seating capacity. While many middle seats go unused, I have also been on trains where EVERY seat in the car I was in was taken and then some.As I've said (several times) before, fully occupied 3x2 seating means that more people have a miserable ride than if you have fully occupied 2x2 seating with many standees. Each person in a middle seat translates into three miserable people - the "middle seat hog" and the two unfortunate people on either side. Not to mention the people on the 2-across side, who suffer because their seats are too small thanks to the three seats on the other side of the aisle. 3x2 seating is too small for today's larger people. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244592) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 00:20:52 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 11:19:11 2006. believe me, he couldn't have been clearer on this fact. He made it VERY clear that it was completely legal, as long as it's on public accesible areas, and not in yards, etc (meaning you would have to enter illegally). He even went so far as to say they even allow it in the yards sometimes if people ask and come legally. But as a general rule, he couldn't have BEEN ANY CLEARER THAT THERE IS abosolutley no problem taking photos.I don't know. I was briefly questioned by MTA Policeman while taking photos at LIRR Hunterspoint Ave station. He told me I didn't have to delete the photos but not to take any photos anymore of the area. |
|
|
| (244595) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:23:07 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 22:45:00 2006. In fact, MTA could probably make money by building large garages, and then selling off some of the land, which would now be valuable because of its excellent rail access.Ronkonkoma station attracts thousands of commuters a day, but that certainly hasn't produced a thriving commercial district in the station vicinity. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244604) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 00:28:01 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 22 23:32:34 2006. The flats are caused by the ASC. From what I heard it is harder to suppress a brake penalty on an M7 compared to M1/3. |
|
|
| (244607) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:30:11 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:02:38 2006. Have you seen the area around the Ronkonkoma station? It's a vast wasteland. Any of the retail near the station is in shambles. Vacant stores are the norm. An entire shopping center is basically abandoned as the stores couldn't makeit. Empty lots are the norm. Run down homes are the norm.Not only is the surrounding area a commercial wasteland, but the retail space in the station complex itself isn't fully occupied. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244610) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:34:04 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:28:22 2006. And IINM, Medford and Yaphank are in the next fare zone.Medford's been in the same fare zone as Ronkonkoma for about a year. This was done, according to the LIRR, to help relieve pressure at Ronkonkoma. It of course was a complete failure because service at Medford is so limited. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244611) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 23 00:34:52 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:59:39 2006. I wouldn't call him a closet railfan. I think he is clearly a railfan, just not as much as we are. |
|
|
| (244612) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:38:25 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:59:39 2006. There's nothing wrong with being a railfan or even a foamer, really - just as long as the foamer-employee doesn't confuse foamer interests with the riding public's interests. I don't see Dermody doing that. |
|
|
| (244613) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:38:28 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:51:13 2006. They couldn't put C3 style seating in because it would limit seating.It was possible. As I've stated many times, including just a few minutes ago elsewhere in this thread, it is far better to have 2x2 seating with standees than fully occupied 3x2 seating with no standees. People today are physically too large for 3x2 seating to work, especially with wider aisles. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244616) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:45:42 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:38:28 2006. It's all that cartball... |
|
|
| (244617) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:45:51 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 23:11:17 2006. ROnkonkoma will actually loose quite a bit of ridership, as anyone east of Patchouge, Port Jefferson or Ronkonkoma will no longer come to Ronkonkoma, but will instead onslaught Medford (between Yaphank and Ronkonkoma), and Yaphank.Medford doesn't have all that much room for expanded parking. New lots would have to go to the east of the existing parking area, which is occupied by industrial users. Yaphank seems to have a lot more room. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244618) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Apr 23 00:47:39 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 23 00:13:42 2006. The difference is the lack of a reverse commute possibility. As the end of the line, Ronkonkoma is a departure point only. The single track situation eliminates any reason to locate commercial development there.One issue with Ronkonkoma is that the area south of the station property is fully occupied by the airport and the Islip recycling facility. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
|
|
| (244622) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 00:56:41 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Apr 22 16:39:28 2006. False. |
|
|
| (244623) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 01:00:55 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Apr 22 23:58:15 2006. False. You have no proff. |
|
|
| (244625) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 01:03:05 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 00:20:52 2006. Well you're an idiot because you "don't know." |
|
|
| (244627) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 01:07:27 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:38:25 2006. You don't know anything about Dermody to make such a statement. |
|
|
| (244629) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by nasadowsk on Sun Apr 23 01:08:50 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 22:20:00 2006. I'm waiting for the DC link capacitors to get past their listed replacement date (Generally 5 - 10 years on Mitsubishi's regular Frequol line, I'm guessing their rail stuff is derrived from it since it covers the power/voltage range). That's when the fun begins - trucks randomly dropping off line for no reason then resetting, cars flaking out in weather extremes, sits in the yard ok, take power and boom, dead...It's gonna be a pricy lesson in following the owner's manual... |
|
|
| (244630) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 23 01:09:10 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 22 21:36:37 2006. Since "my buddy" was involved in designing the cab, I would say that he saw the thing long before your kid did . . . |
|
|
| (244632) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 01:10:55 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:28:25 2006. "It's no surprise the M1s are getting 27,000 miles between failures, the LIRR's maitenance forces have no doubt said "fuck it" when it comes to permanently fixing problems. You wouldn't happen to have a number for the M3s, since they're fairly similar to the M1s and actually likely to be maintained at this point might provide a better indication."It's a question of cost vs. benefit at this point. If I hired 2 full-time mechanics and gave them budget for parts to work just for me, to take care of my six year old car it will still be purring 40 years from now. Is that a smart decision? For a car foamer, maybe (depending on what the foamer likes). Smart for me? Not at all. |
|
|
| (244643) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:39:54 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 01:00:55 2006. You don't know know what you're talking about. |
|
|
| (244644) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:40:42 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 00:56:41 2006. No true. |
|
|
| (244645) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:41:38 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 01:03:05 2006. You are a doucebag. |
|
|
| (244650) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 23 01:52:22 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 23 01:07:27 2006. Ron has more credibility than you. |
|
|
| (244679) | |
Re: The LIRR President Speaks |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 23 07:17:10 2006, in response to Re: The LIRR President Speaks, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 23 00:38:25 2006. I never said he did. I didn't say he was a railfan either. I said he appeard to "understand" railfans by the way he answered some of the "railfanesque" questions that came up. |
|
|
|
Page 3 of 11 |
||
