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Posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006 Would it be possible to bring the JFK Express route back? It would be much more useful now, since that shuttle bus is now eliminated and Airtrain is up and running.I sure could use it if I were to come to New York via JFK Airport this summer. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Apr 21 22:36:36 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. There was a debate on Rider Diaries about this, but no it shouldn't be brought back.-It would clog up any existing bottlenecks. -The trains would get stuck behind A trains (especially the fact that they run more often now then before). -It isn't truley needed if you could just take the LIRR to Penn and catch the A to where you need to go. -And it wouldn't do any good reinstating the service if they still want that JFK Lower Manhattan link built. |
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Posted by smaz on Fri Apr 21 22:51:50 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. Yes it would. Run 3 or 4 an hour on the express tracks from 207 St. (the original route down 6th Av would not be possible today) on the same route as the A. Once they turn into the Rock have the "Train to the Plane" take over the express tracks and then build a structure that would merge it with the AirTrain station and viaduct at Howard Beach and go into the airport itself and then continue to Jamaica. The MUST NOT bring back that horrible TV jingle from the 70s. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Apr 21 23:09:42 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by smaz on Fri Apr 21 22:51:50 2006. I disagree with that, if a subway structure is built to merge with the AirTrain and then run with the AirTrain, that would be a waste. It would be better just to have a fast, direct connection from wherever on the AirTrain to Manhattan. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Apr 21 23:34:37 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. Sure. It's called Long Island Railroad, it offers direct service into Midtown, will soon offer service to the east side, and hopefully somewhere down the road will run into Lower Manhattan. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Apr 21 23:44:50 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by tydev417 on Fri Apr 21 23:09:42 2006. Huh? How would that be a waste at all? The only reason it won't happen is because they are different agencies, and assuming it's legal the PA isn't interested in turning over its operations to the MTA. But a simple track connection between the A and the AirTrain, perhaps with a connection from Hoyt to Jay (outer), and more A/C service, would solve this whole "JFK to Lower Manhattan one-seat ride" business. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 02:33:36 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. No you wouldn't. It was extra fare.Take Mr. Will D's suggestion and ride the LIRR to Jamaica, and get the Airtrain. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 11:00:39 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. The JFK Express was a nice route but today is impractical. |
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Posted by julie_profumo on Sat Apr 22 11:27:09 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. If you are going to Midtown, taking the (E) train or the LIRR at Sutphin-Archer Sta. would be your best bet. For Lower Manhattan it's a tossup between those methods and taking the (A) train |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 22 11:38:55 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. No. It's 2 main selling points are gone. The first was that it was quicker than the subway. The time difference back in the days when the A ran express in Brooklyn only during rush hours was significant. Now, it's not. The 2nd was that it used clean, new, grafitti-free and air conditioned cars. Back then, this was a big deal. Today, every car is relatively clean, grafitti free and has air conditioning. Another issue is the loss of a northern terminal. They can't use 57th St/6th Ave anymore. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 22 12:42:21 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Apr 21 23:44:50 2006. Dual operation of the same tracks can be done very well, political turf battles aside. I never understood why Air Train wasn't constructed to enter NYCT at Howard Beach. It would probably have required trains with crews, but I think the labor costs associated with that would have been offset by the increased revenue to both agencies. A one seat ride from JFK to Manhattan should have been a reality a LONG time ago.Instead we get these piecemeal services (TTTP, AirTrain) which still require you to drag your luggage between modes (train, bus, or subway). When the LIRR came to Rockaway in the early 20th century, it shared its tracks with the Ocean Electric trolley company. I could see the Fulton/8th Ave. IND absorbing the additional tph with just a few service adjustments (like extending the C to Lefferts during the day--all C's use Lefferts as south term, and the two A branches become Far Rock or the JFK loop...it could have been done...) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 13:00:37 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by julie_profumo on Sat Apr 22 11:27:09 2006. The most direct way (and easiest) to the eastern side of Lower Manhattan is the J/Z subway from Jamaica Center. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 13:16:38 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 22 12:42:21 2006. "Instead we get these piecemeal services (TTTP, AirTrain)"TTTP (the JFK Express) was a piecemeal service and it's gone now; AirTrain, being an extension of an airport circulator, is not. It's a pretty seamless connection to rail, no different than what you find in Atlanta. When you compare it to SEPTA's R1 service, AirTrain is actually much better because you can access it from so many more points, rather than just the downtown business district. "which still require you to drag your luggage between modes (train, bus, or subway). " That's called "spin" on your part, not reality. The reality is that customers already have to use escalators and elevators to move luggage where it needs to go, so AirTrain is no different. AirTrain turned the transit experience into something far better than it ever was before. You may not like it, but passengers have already voted their approval. Ithink the PA should start using the luggage facility in Jamaica for airline check-in, because that would bring the convenience up toa new level, and I will advocate for that. "I could see the Fulton/8th Ave. IND absorbing the additional tph with just a few service adjustments (like extending the C to Lefferts during the day--all C's use Lefferts as south term," Lefferts branch passengers will not accept that and MTA will correctly not implement something which is detrimental to its ridership. "and the two A branches become Far Rock or the JFK loop...it could have been done." No it couldn't and trying to compare the A train entering a JFK Terminal loop to the current arrangement is ridiculous. Let's see, no E or J service airport connection and no LIRR connection to the airport, no express service on the Lefferts branch, but hey the A train runs directly to the terminals. MTA officials did hear ideas like that and correctly dismissed them as railbuff foaming with no connection to reality and no concept of what customers want. They were also kind enough not to fall off their chairs laughing at such nonsense. I would have had a hard time not laughing too, but I would have taken a deep breath and tried. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 13:38:18 2006, in response to Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Subway Camper on Fri Apr 21 22:14:45 2006. No. Back then they didn't even have normal daily express service by the A on the Fulton Line like they do now. The JFK was the only thing that used those express tracks during the day. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Apr 22 13:49:37 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 02:33:36 2006. No you wouldn't. It was extra fare.The LIRR's more expensive than the subway as well... |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 22 15:15:07 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 13:16:38 2006. What's that word I'm looking for?.....I think it's called TRUTH. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 15:25:06 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 13:16:38 2006. When you compare it to SEPTA's R1 service, AirTrain is actually much better because you can access it from so many more points, rather than just the downtown business districtFalse statement. AirTrain cannot be accessed from any business district in New York City. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 16:35:10 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 15:25:06 2006. You think that the transfer basically disqualifies it. That's the foamer viewpoint. 99.9% of passengers do not think the way you do. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 16:39:24 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 16:35:10 2006. 99.9 percent of passengers of what?Those same passengers would die to have what Chicago has in its Blue Line to O'Hare, versus the AirDoggle. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 16:47:03 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 16:39:24 2006. "Those same passengers would die to have what Chicago has in its Blue Line to O'Hare"And you base this on what, your telephone interview of 5 foamers who masturbate on redbirds when transit museum staff isn't looking? JFK is a hike from the central business districts in NYC. CTA has had a pretty good experience with the Blue Line, but a lot of passengers would rather have a non-stop commuter rail line out there as well as more than one subway option. And if I'm not mistaken, you need a circulator to get to many of the gates at O'Hare, because there are different terminals. So AirTrain being a circulator satisfies that requirement too. The only difference between AirTrain and O'Hare or Atlanta (besides the fact that you get the entire commuter rail network and 3 subways instead of just one) is that they charge an extra fare. Again, that's mostly foamer shit; most passengers have accepted it. If you want the PA to lower the fare, produce economic data supporting your argument. You don't have any. All you have is the semen your foamer friends mailed to you after they jerkerd off at the Transit Museum. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 17:06:25 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 16:47:03 2006. You've veered back into the speaking like a complete fool territory. Quit while you're ahead. You know that if a direct subway line to JFK were built that did not charge extra fare, the AirTrain would die rapidly. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sat Apr 22 17:15:40 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 16:47:03 2006. All you have is the semen your foamer friends mailed to you after they jerkerd off at the Transit Museum.Please keep your wet dreams and fantasies to yourself, thank you very much... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 17:17:36 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sat Apr 22 17:15:40 2006. Let him spew his B7able material. Might be good to have him ejected . . . |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 17:29:39 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 17:06:25 2006. "You know that if a direct subway line to JFK were built that did not charge extra fare, the AirTrain would die rapidly."You may "know" that, but without passengers who conform to your expectations (there are the foamers, of course) it's meaningless. |
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Posted by smaz on Sat Apr 22 17:30:33 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by tydev417 on Fri Apr 21 23:09:42 2006. that's what my plan would do. The AirTrain would basically become the new "JFK Express". To do that it would have to merge with the NYCT tracks at HB and then run the express route and stations into Manhattan. It would stop at some of the most important stops in NY. Lower Manhattan, Fulton St Transfer, PATH terminal, W4 St, NYP/34th, PA/42nd, Columbus Cr, an a chunk of uptown would all be covered as well as major points in Bklyn and Jamaica. It would make Pataki's expensive plan pointless. They can even extend it from Jamaica over the Van Wyck to Flushing and have another station next to the 7 and LIRR at Shea Stadium and theoretically have it keep going over GCP to La Guardia. If they need to use different standard cars so be it. The JFK inner circulator can stay the same. |
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Posted by smaz on Sat Apr 22 17:38:06 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 13:16:38 2006. I wouldn't extend the A to the terminals. I would leave it as is. I doubt 3 TPH during the rush and 4 TPH at other times would disrupt service in the Cranberry tunnels. The new TTTP from Manhattan to Jamaica via the JFK terminals would be its own service with its own bullet. It would basically be a merge of the old TTTP and today's AirTrain. And yes I agree that today's AirTrain is a great start and an improvement to nothing at all but it needs to keep going. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 17:38:17 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by smaz on Sat Apr 22 17:30:33 2006. "It would stop at some of the most important stops in NY. Lower Manhattan, Fulton St Transfer, PATH terminal, W4 St, NYP/34th, PA/42nd, Columbus Cr, an a chunk of uptown would all be covered"You could never cover enough of them, or run the trains fast enough and passengers already have excellent access, much better than you could give them, by means of the A, E and J/Z. The outewr circulators bring the airport to the trains (more than one). You'd be spending money to zero purpose. Pataki's plan has nothing to do with yours. While I think his plan should rank lower in priority than the SAS, the 7 extension and the ESA project, what Pataki wants to do is offer Lower Manhattan an LIRR station that would offer express service for JFK-bound passengers which is not only faster (60-80 mph) but more direct in route than yours. People who want commuter rail over subway are not going to use the subway. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 18:42:20 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 17:06:25 2006. You know that if a direct subway line to JFK were built that did not charge extra fare, the AirTrain would die rapidlyProbably be cheaper to just eliminate the onerous fare on Airtrain and institute a free transfer from the subway and LIRR. It wouldn't be a one-seat ride, but it'd certainly be a much better situation where the high fare nearly encourages taxi or car usage. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 18:55:40 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 18:42:20 2006. "It wouldn't be a one-seat ride,"Actually it is a one-seat ride - to the airport circulator. The "one seat ride" is a nonsense term used by foamers and politicians. Riders couldn't give a shit. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 18:56:57 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 18:55:40 2006. Yes they do.And you don't have to use the "airport circulator" to get to most of the planes in O'Hare. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 19:10:26 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 18:56:57 2006. Oh, yes, I forgot your foamer buddies."And you don't have to use the "airport circulator" to get to most of the planes in O'Hare." You don't have to use the circulator at all, and you don't have to use the circulator in Atlanta either. But most passengers are not foamers like you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 19:22:17 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 19:10:26 2006. You can't use the "foamer" epithet unless you're a rail. Sorry.You have no justification for the AirDoggle. Sorry again. You like to talk about male foamers ejaculating. B7 |
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Posted by mambomta on Sat Apr 22 20:00:27 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 19:22:17 2006. Ron never learned how to disagree without using personal insults. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 20:02:52 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by mambomta on Sat Apr 22 20:00:27 2006. Must've had a sheltered childhood. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 22 20:30:58 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 18:42:20 2006. However, the AirTRAIN fare is usually born by those who don't vote in NYC. Those who work at the airport usually take the B15, Q3, Q6 (Cargo area East), Q7 (Cargo area West) or the Q10. They don't get hit.Think of it as a passenger facility charge not designated as such. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:13:35 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 18:55:40 2006. Then why did property values skyrocket along the Morris and Essex lines shortly after MidTOWN DIRECT opened?And most of those passengers aren't even shlepping luggage. It's been quite well established that riders find transfers undesirable, especially if they involve walking from one platform to another. (Most potential and actual AirTrain users already have to transfer to reach the A, E, J/Z, or LIRR; the transfer to AirTrain is a second.) You haven't been doing your homework. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:21:20 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 19:10:26 2006. The O'Hare L station directly serves Terminals 1, 2, and 3. Only passengers using Terminal 5 have to transfer to the Airport Transit System.I guess you haven't done your homework. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sat Apr 22 22:28:39 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:21:20 2006. Uh oh, looks like Ron's about to get an F! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 22:29:39 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:21:20 2006. Durnit, you gave the answer away . . . |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 22:30:49 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:13:35 2006. Then why did property values skyrocket along the Morris and Essex lines shortly after MidTOWN DIRECT opened?Not a perfect analogy. Before Midtown Direct, M&E riders didn't have a simple transfer to get to midtown. They had to go via Hoboken. Midtown Direct knocked close to 30 minutes off their commute. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 22:33:14 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 22:30:49 2006. Nope, perfect analogy. Train that didn't go to NYC now goes to NYC. (I prefer Hoboken myself, but that's me.) Time taken was accentuated by lack of ferry service. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Apr 22 22:36:37 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 17:38:17 2006. Pataki's plan has nothing to do with yours. While I think his plan should rank lower in priority than the SAS, the 7 extension and the ESA project, what Pataki wants to do is offer Lower Manhattan an LIRR station that would offer express service for JFK-bound passengers which is not only faster (60-80 mph) but more direct in route than yours. People who want commuter rail over subway are not going to use the subway.That's a great idea as it will help Long Islanders (as well as airport passengers reach downtown.) Nobody will have to transfer at Flatbush to the subway anymore. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 22 22:39:05 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 22 18:55:40 2006. The "one seat ride" is a nonsense term used by foamers and politicians. Riders couldn't give a shit.Uhhh, nope. That nonsense "one seat ride" turned a little rural outpost of a station it was in 1987, within less than a half decade into the circus of chaos it is today. By 1993 (the date of the bottom photo), the transformation was already well under way:   This was the quiet station until 1987 (Demolished around 1993):  That socalled not giving a shit "one seat ride" converted a rural outpost station into tens of thousands of riders a day, and cannibilized the two adjoinging lines (Port Jeff and Montauk) in the process. Why did these people FLOCK to the Ronkonkoma Branch? It was the ONE SEAT RIDER. Pretty inpressive considering they don't "give a shit". |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 22 22:40:19 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 22:33:14 2006. Yeah but it's 2 different situations, before the Midtown Direct, you had to take either PATH or the ferry to wherever you need to go from there.With the Airtrain, there already is a simple 2 seat ride to the city, that is good for what it is. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:41:54 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 22:30:49 2006. Perfect analogies rarely exist. This one's close enough to make the point.I haven't seen any reports of skyrocketing property values along the Main/Bergen lines now that there's an AirTrainesque transfer at Secaucus (without the AirTrainesque $5 fare). Could it be that AirTrainesque transfers aren't quite as effective as direct service in promoting ridership? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 22:41:58 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 22 22:40:19 2006. Non-sequitur. We're comparing the Airtrain's current status quo to the situation prior to Midtown Direct. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 22 22:54:33 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 22:41:58 2006. And that's exactly what I did. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 22 22:57:43 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by tydev417 on Sat Apr 22 22:54:33 2006. No you didn't. You're claiming the Airtrain to be satisfactory. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:02:31 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Apr 22 22:41:54 2006. It could be that Secaucus is moot until there is greater capacity for the M&B customers under the Hudson. Until then the passengers face a crowded ride on PATH or a crowded ride on the NEC, and since the former existed before Secaucus little has changed. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 22 23:13:33 2006, in response to Re: Bring the JFK Express back...can it be done?, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 22 23:02:31 2006. Until then the passengers face a crowded ride on PATH or a crowded ride on the NEC, and since the former existed before Secaucus little has changed.Except the schedule. Bergen/Rockland County to Secaucus to Penn is 20 minutes quicker than via Hoboken. |
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