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Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by gonzea on Fri Sep 3 10:16:14 2004

I heard somthing like 30k .
Anyone know the starting salary in 2004?


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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 10:25:26 2004, in response to Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by gonzea on Fri Sep 3 10:16:14 2004.

Most likely more than that. Motorpeople get paid about $25-$30 per hr; bottom on the seniority list you might get about 20-30 hrs/week -- that's $32,500 per annum -- but that's only for part-time work. There is no such thing as a starting salary; if you are somehow able to get full time work as soon as you sign up, your salary would be a lot higher. Salary during training period (usually lasts about 2-3 months) is typically half what it would be if you were operating.

I don't know how MTA does their picks so I don't know whether it is possible to get full time work from day 1. It's usually not possible.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by John from Glendale on Fri Sep 3 12:16:10 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 10:25:26 2004.

There are no "part time" motormen. Everybody gets 40 hrs a week right off the bat.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by Alex L. on Fri Sep 3 15:10:08 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 10:25:26 2004.

I don't know how MTA does their picks so I don't know whether it is possible to get full time work from day 1. It's usually not possible.

If you don't know, why are you answering? And answering wrong, as well.

Most likely more than that. Motorpeople get paid about $25-$30 per hr; bottom on the seniority list you might get about 20-30 hrs/week -- that's $32,500 per annum -- but that's only for part-time work. There is no such thing as a starting salary; if you are somehow able to get full time work as soon as you sign up, your salary would be a lot higher. Salary during training period (usually lasts about 2-3 months) is typically half what it would be if you were operating.

Top pay is currently $25.0850/hr, which comes out to $52,176.80/yr. The annual sum assumes NO overtime and NO differential. I average about $61K without working more than my five days.

For the first week of training, you will be paid minimum wage for 40 hours, Starting the second week and continuing for the rest of your training AND until you work 231 days of ROAD jobs, you will be paid at the T/O entry level/yard rate, currently something like $23 and change/hr. This usually takes about 18 months after your training is complete to accomplish.

Training in the A Division is a tad over 3 months; in the B Division, a little over 5 months. Once your training is done, you will be working 40+ hours a week.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 15:27:11 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by Alex L. on Fri Sep 3 15:10:08 2004.

If you don't know, why are you answering? And answering wrong, as well.

Why not? If I hadn't answered, then you probably wouldn't have written such a detailed response. Now, because I answered wrong, more people know the right answer and with more detail. So thanks!!

I've never heard of any TA's offering full pay and 40 hour weeks to people in training. I am amazed. But the hourly rate is low too, especially for the New York area.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 3 15:49:34 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 15:27:11 2004.

And how can you compare the hourly rate of a NYCT Train Operator to other cities? Is the rate of an MBTA train operator higher or lower than the hourly salary of NYCT's counterparts?

I cannot assume anything if the rate of pay is too low or excessive for NYCT Train Operators unless we can compare their salaries with the salaries of other urban rail transportation networks.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by Flatbush41 on Fri Sep 3 16:02:41 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 3 15:49:34 2004.

And on top of that, the size of a TA's workforce can vary with the pay scales of different systems.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 16:25:16 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Sep 3 15:49:34 2004.

And how can you compare the hourly rate of a NYCT Train Operator to other cities? Is the rate of an MBTA train operator higher or lower than the hourly salary of NYCT's counterparts?

MBTA train operator, light rail division -- lowest rate is approx $21/hr; highest rate is approx $26/hr. Traditionally pilots are paid 10 cents per hour more -- but this seem to have gone away in recent contract renegotiations.

You can compare the rates because other disciplines in NYC are paid approximately 20%-40% more in NYC than in BOS. Even within the transit discipline -- for example MTA pays a "Planner I" or "Systems Analyst" type job about $58,000-$71,000 per annum. MBTA pays $45,000 for an equivalent position. The MTA also has "Bus Garage Analyst" positions, which are not available at the MBTA. Those are paid about $38,000-$46,000 if my memory serves me correctly.

Note: an analyst with CTA (Chicago) is paid at roughly similar rates to Boston, if slightly higher. Range from $44,000-$60,000 per annum.

The long short of that is: I am surprised by the relatively low pay rates of NYCT motorpeople, given that other disciplines have a "New York differential" that is a de-facto 20-40% pay rise.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by BOOGE on Fri Sep 3 21:31:59 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by John from Glendale on Fri Sep 3 12:16:10 2004.

Wasn't there an 'extra list' that rookie motorman were on untill they reached enough senority to pick a regular job? Sort of standby status for people who banged in, or GO's.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Sep 3 21:48:18 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by BOOGE on Fri Sep 3 21:31:59 2004.

Those who work the 'extra list' and 'extra-extra' also work 40 hours a week. When they have enough senority can pick a regular job.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by BIE on Sun Sep 5 09:58:08 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 16:25:16 2004.

What does a bus garage analyst do?

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by hhp8 on Mon Sep 6 01:26:41 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by aem7 on Fri Sep 3 16:25:16 2004.

I assume a bus garage analyst is an assistant to the garage superintendent. I suspect the range of duties required includes: analyze late arrival/absence employee statistics; produce overtime reports. Generate reports on on-time performance. Generate reports on parts and stockroom inventory, usage rates, comparative costs. Perhaps some level of engineering economy analysis for parts and replacement cycles. Perhaps they may even be required to calculate route cost recovery index or other such route-based performance measures and report them to central planning.

I recommended this position in May to a former co-worker (engineering graduate) who specialized in bus service planning, but I don't know much of the specifics. A quick check at www.mta.info revealed no such posting -- presumably the position was filled.

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Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?

Posted by hhp8 on Mon Sep 6 01:27:21 2004, in response to Re: Annual Salary of MTA motorman?, posted by BIE on Sun Sep 5 09:58:08 2004.

I assume a bus garage analyst is an assistant to the garage superintendent. I suspect the range of duties required includes: analyze late arrival/absence employee statistics; produce overtime reports. Generate reports on on-time performance. Generate reports on parts and stockroom inventory, usage rates, comparative costs. Perhaps some level of engineering economy analysis for parts and replacement cycles. Perhaps they may even be required to calculate route cost recovery index or other such route-based performance measures and report them to central planning.

I recommended this position in May to a former co-worker (engineering graduate) who specialized in bus service planning, but I don't know much of the specifics. A quick check at www.mta.info revealed no such posting -- presumably the position was filled.


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