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R262 and R268

Posted by Q65A on Fri Mar 20 09:24:30 2026

I guess it will be a good time to start taking pictures of R62/R62A and R68/R68A (but not quite immediately):
R262 and R268
As a guy who once rode IRT SMEEs every day, seeing the red 1 bullet on an NTT feels strange....

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Irtredbirdr33 on Fri Mar 20 11:52:43 2026, in response to R262 and R268, posted by Q65A on Fri Mar 20 09:24:30 2026.

Thank u for the update.

Larry redbirdr33

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Q65A on Fri Mar 20 11:54:04 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Irtredbirdr33 on Fri Mar 20 11:52:43 2026.

My pleasure, Larry!
Here is more about the R34262 contract from Mass Transit magazine:
R34262

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Mar 20 22:21:28 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Q65A on Fri Mar 20 11:54:04 2026.

and if an option to purchase the additional 1,250 cars is exercised, to replace the R142 and R142A cars on the 2, 4 and 5 lines

Really?

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Q65A on Sat Mar 21 09:29:38 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Mar 20 22:21:28 2026.

Yeah that is an eye opener; the 142s seem pretty young for retirement.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by zac on Sat Mar 21 20:24:31 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Q65A on Sat Mar 21 09:29:38 2026.

By the time these cars are delivered it'll be 35-40 years for the 142s. The oldest of them are already 26 years old. If they want CBTC on the 123 or 456 or both they'd need to convert them all, and then you'd have at least a 30 year old fleet running the latest technology. That makes little sense.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Mar 21 23:19:49 2026, in response to R262 and R268, posted by Q65A on Fri Mar 20 09:24:30 2026.

Don't count your subway cars before they're funded. After all, New York and it's gopher looking governor may not have too many friends in washington and NY's tax base is getting rather anemic.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Q65A on Sun Mar 22 09:15:13 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Mar 21 23:19:49 2026.

Point taken, TD.
I guess the R32s set the modern standard for longevity, and the NTTs might need to do the same thing because, as you have said, the funding for this big bill might not be coming.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Q65A on Sun Mar 22 09:16:25 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by zac on Sat Mar 21 20:24:31 2026.

Good point, zac.
I keep thinking the 142s are new cars but, as you reminded me, they're no longer new, and CBTC conversions are expensive.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 22 14:26:49 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Q65A on Sun Mar 22 09:15:13 2026.

What about Congestion Pricing funds?

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Mar 22 15:49:20 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by zac on Sat Mar 21 20:24:31 2026.

This order is being delivered between 2035 and 2040?

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 22 15:50:37 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 22 14:26:49 2026.

LOL congestion pricing? You mean the money that was supposed to preserve the bus & subway fare? The homeless need ammenities too.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by zac on Sun Mar 22 17:39:27 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Mar 22 15:49:20 2026.

The terms are 7 years, and it'll be at least a year before the contract goes out. That gets us to 2034. Add in some delay and then it is 2035. How long have we been talking about the R211 already?

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by zac on Sun Mar 22 17:41:28 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by zac on Sun Mar 22 17:39:27 2026.

I got my answer, the R211 program began in 2015. It is 2026 and we're halfway through option order 1. OO2 comes after that. It will easily be 2035-2040

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by Q4 on Mon Mar 23 11:54:42 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 22 15:50:37 2026.

Congestion pricing was never planned to preserve the subway and bus fare nor have anything to do with operating costs. Its generated revenue is to be used for capital projects.

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Re: R262 and R268

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Mar 23 14:16:44 2026, in response to Re: R262 and R268, posted by Q4 on Mon Mar 23 11:54:42 2026.

That may be the happy horse shit they are selling today but when proposed they touted service improvements such as increasing C service to 10 cars and preserving the current fare.

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