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190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by gbs on Wed Nov 5 02:48:13 2025




When the 190 St - Overlook Terrace station opened in 1932, the elevators and the ramps were all within fare control. Entering the station from the upper level at Fort Washington Ave, you descended a staircase next to the elevator machine house and approached the elevator waiting area. The change booth was to the right, then through the turnstiles the elevators were to the left.

From Bennett Ave at the lower level you entered the change booth area, with the change booth to the right and the turnstiles at the entrance to the ramp. As the ramp approached the mezzanine, it divided, with the right side descending directly to the uptown platform and the left side continuing to the mezzanine and the stairs down to the downtown platform.

There were no turnstiles or change booth on the mezzanine, since everything was already within fare control.

The area residents could not use the elevators to navigate between the high neighborhood and the low without paying, so the fare control was later completely reconfigured, with the ramps and elevators now being outside fare control and a change booth and turnstiles installed on the mezzanine. Fare control also had to be installed at the direct ramp connection to the uptown platform.


Facing the entrrance on Bennett Avenue. Everything was bored or carved right into the rock.




The change booth area right past the entrance doors, change booth to the right, turnstiles at the ramp to the left.




Looking up the ramp towards the mezzanine.




Looking down the ramp from the mezzanine. The ramp has divided, with the left side descending to the uptown platform.




Looking down the ramp to the uptown platform. The fare control there is not in the original configuration but was added later. Notice today's booth above the ramp on the right, also not in the original configuration.




The elevator waiting area on the mezzanine. The ramps are just to the left.




The elevator waiting area on the upper level. The old change booth was on the opposite wall.




The old change booth, opposite the elevators.




Looking south, the elevator motor house on Fort Washington Ave. The stairs down to the station entrance are out of sight on the south side of the building.




Approaching the station entrance after descending the stairs from the street.

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Re: 190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Nov 5 16:00:48 2025, in response to 190 St (A) fare control history, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 5 02:48:13 2025.

The interior photos are 14 years old. I hope the corridors have been spiffed up since then.

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Re: 190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Nov 5 16:05:25 2025, in response to 190 St (A) fare control history, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 5 02:48:13 2025.

The interior photos are 14 years old. I hope the corridors have been spiffed up since then.

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Re: 190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 5 17:04:45 2025, in response to 190 St (A) fare control history, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 5 02:48:13 2025.

Why is the upper entrance sunken relative to the street level? At 181st Street, the 184th Street/Fort Washington entrance is directly at street level.

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Re: 190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 5 21:02:23 2025, in response to 190 St (A) fare control history, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 5 02:48:13 2025.

I had seen these before:

I wonder if residents pressured the MTA to put the elevators outside fare control so they could use them to walk between Fort Washington Avenue and Bennett Avenue without having to go a roundabout route (I believe you have to otherwise walk to 187th Street to get between the two).

Also noticed at 181st Street, there seems to be a much lower level at 184th Street and Overlook Terrace as opposed to Fort Washington Avenue and 184th (separate from the main entrances at 181st Street). Are the elevators there inside fare control?

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Re: 190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 5 21:03:59 2025, in response to Re: 190 St (A) fare control history, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 5 17:04:45 2025.

Think it has to do with the topography of the area. Probably how they had to build that station at that time.

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Re: 190 St (A) fare control history

Posted by gbs on Thu Nov 6 02:53:00 2025, in response to Re: 190 St (A) fare control history, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 5 21:02:23 2025.


The elevators at 184 St & Ft Washington Av (181 St station), which go directly from the street to the mezzanine, are outside fare control.

Across Ft Washington Av from the elevator entrance is Bennett Park, site of the highest natural elevation in Manhattan.


The entrance house at 184 St:




The highest elevation:

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