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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025 Built by St. Louis Car Co. as an order of fifty car numbered #5653 - #5702 specifically for service to the 1939-40 World's Fair held in Flushing Meadows.  But first we need to start with a full sized mock-up seen here at the 239th St. shops. The new design broke free from the past design of a sloped end clerestory roof and end doors. I'm wondering if this was open for the riding public to inspect or only for NYC and IRT offiicals.  Interior of the mock-up sporting fluorescent lighting that didn't pan out in the final design.  End view of the mock-up with the photographers flash exposing wood grain on the storm door.  A 6 car train of completed World's Fair cars headed by #5659 at the St. Louis Car Co. plant waiting their journey to New York City. (ca. 1938)  Arrival of these cars was at the Harlem River terminal of the NYW&B Railway. The next three photos document the arrival. (September 1938)    #5653 in an unidentified yard. (February 14, 1939)   #5654 displaying destination sign of "Express To World's Fair. (February 14, 1939)  Corona Yard full of new World's Fair cars with some Low V's and gate cars.  Finally in service seen at the 51st St. (Lincoln Ave.) station. (April 29, 1939)  Controversial New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia taking ride on these new cars with some city officials. (undated photo)  Enroute to Times Square at the 46th St. (Bliss St.) station nine years after the World's Fair ended. (February 26, 1949)  Interior view of #5702, the last car of the order photographed on August 22, 1946.  On a rare occasion when the birth of quintuplets make the headlines, the Dionne quintuplets of Corbell, Ontario Canada arrived in New York City as the celebrities of their time. Of course photographed in a World's Fair car. (October 24, 1950)  On the New Lots Ave. line leaving the Sutter Ave. station. (undated photo)  At Lenox yard on an E.R.A. fan trip using R-36 World's Fair cars is a '39 World's Fair car work motor in yellow paint. (September 24, 1977)  On that same E.R.A. fan trip at Concourse yard, #[3]5701 is keeping company with R10's and R40S. (September 24, 1977)  #[3]5698 in Coney Island yard. (August 27, 1977)  Out of fifty World's Fair cars built, only #5655 survives and is designated a museum car. I don't know if it is being worked on or just in mothballs, but the current four car train of museum Low-Vs needs a fifth car. (May 22, 1999) That's it for part one. Tune in next week for part two where I'll show images of their last years of revenue service on the 3rd Ave el in the Bronx.  |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Oct 5 09:38:41 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. Bill: Thanks again for an outstanding collection of photos. Possilby due to the influence of the Pennsylvania Railroad the IRT pretty much standardized their car design from the Composites up to the Lo-V's. There were some small variations to be sure. The only two major design changes came with the Deck-Roof Hi-V's and the World's Fair Steinway Motors. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 5 09:41:04 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. Nice presentation and thank you for taking the time to post not only these photos but all your other collections as well.These cars are pretty interesting to me. They didn’t have the longest life did they? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 5 10:36:54 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. Once again, great pictures and thanks for sharing. My guess if they stuck with the fluorescent lights, they might have stuck around for another 5-10 years or so. Since the average life of subway cars is 40 years, that means they'd still be in revenue service until around 1979. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:09:22 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Oct 5 09:38:41 2025. The only two major design changes came with the Deck-Roof Hi-V's and the World's Fair Steinway Motors. Although not the same design, do you think the 1939 WF Steinway's air vents and roof profile mirrored the H&M "Black car" ? 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:13:52 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 5 10:36:54 2025. Once again, great pictures and thanks for sharing. My guess if they stuck with the fluorescent lights, they might have stuck around for another 5-10 years or so. Since the average life of subway cars is 40 years, that means they'd still be in revenue service until around 1979.I don't think them having florescent lights would make them last a few years longer. After all their days of hauling passengers ended in 1969. So after that, they became work motors. Bill M. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:19:46 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 5 09:41:04 2025. Nice presentation and thank you for taking the time to post not only these photos but all your other collections as well.These cars are pretty interesting to me. They didn’t have the longest life did they? You're welcome. Just thirty years and they were retired from revenue service. 1969 was the benchmark as far as I'm concerned. The Myrtle Ave. el shut down, the Q Types were retired as well as the AB's and 1939 World's Fair cars. New R-42's were rolling in too. Lots happening with the new MTA on board. Bill M. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 5 12:19:46 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. The studio mockup of 5674 that was used in The Incident looked pretty accurate, save for the side signs. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:23:58 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 5 12:19:46 2025. The studio mockup of 5674 that was used in The Incident looked pretty accurate, save for the side signs.If my memory serves me correct, Don Harold told me the movie company that did "The Incident" received drawings and other info from the St. Louis Car Co. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:33:08 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 5 12:19:46 2025. Turner Classic Movies Trivia 
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 5 12:33:35 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:19:46 2025. I suppose they would have been an oddball fleeting in the IRT by 1969. More hassle to keepth going than to say good bye. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 5 15:38:36 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:23:58 2025. They did, in fact. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Oct 5 16:37:08 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:09:22 2025. Indeed. The WF cars, in turn, would be an influence, in terms of their rooves, on both sets of post-war 'SMEE' cars - the IRT R-12/14's, and IND/BMT R-10's.So it would seem this was the first set to use the 'PASSENGERS ARE FORBIDDEN TO RIDE BETWEEN CARS' on the front and back doors, as would later turn up on BMT/IND cars through the R-38's. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Oct 5 16:40:31 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 5 12:33:35 2025. The MTA did seem enamoured with the "shiny and new" in those years. Especially on the bus front. 1969 was also when the last of the Mack buses (the TA 6000's), their last years generally in service in Staten Island, were retired. 1970 was when the last of MaBSTOA's inherited-from-Fifth Avenue Coach Lines-and-Surface Transit buses with the protruding front signs were also put to pasture.It also seemed that the service life of the WF cars almost rivalled those of the R-16 and R-27/30 classes. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Oct 5 17:34:36 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. What's the story with the clunky lanterns that seem to have been added to the car fronts just after delivery? Why weren't built-in lights at that location included in the original design? Later, the lanterns were apparently removed and replaced with headlights lower down. Delivery, no lanterns: Lanterns added: Lanterns removed, headlights added:
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 18:29:24 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by gbs on Sun Oct 5 17:34:36 2025. What's the story with the clunky lanterns that seem to have been added to the car fronts just after delivery?I'll leave that to randyo who will explain why in detail. Bill M. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 6 03:16:32 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 18:29:24 2025. I was never able to figure that one out myself. The only thing that I can think of is that since the IRT was more union friendly than the BMT they chose to keep the kerosene deck lamps to keep the “lamp trimmers” who changed the lamps at terminals employed. While we are on the subject of the oddities of those cars, notice the single end sign that only displayed a destination since IRT lines didn't get route numbers till the city assigned them for the R-12s. My thought is that the R-12s could have been designed with the single end sign for the destination only so that the IRT would never have had route numbers assigned which conflicted with BMT route numbers anyhow. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 6 06:00:12 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 6 03:16:32 2025. I was never able to figure that one out myself.According to "Subway to the World's Fair" by Frederick A. Kramer, "Because the IRT was bankrupt, costs were minimized by omitting many of the innovations then available. Savings were made by designing the cars for single-ended operation in the sense that controls for the motorman were at one end only, controls for the conductor or trainman only at the other. Further savings resulted from installing much of the equipment in the IRT's own shops. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 09:08:21 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 12:19:46 2025. Bill: 1969 was indeed a benchmark year. In the span of about four months we saw the last revenue runs of the Standards, Q-Types, Lo-V's and Steinway. I was stationed in South Dakota so I missed the first two. I was fortunate enough to return to New York to ride the last three old trains on the 3rd Avenue El. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 09:11:41 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 5 12:33:35 2025. In the last year of so of their operation all the old cars on the 3rd Avenue El were given a nice green paint job. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Oct 6 09:18:57 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. Excellent photos and thank you for sharing. Wish more than one example was saved. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 6 09:55:19 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 09:11:41 2025. Wish I was there to see it |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 6 09:58:40 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. I hope they get 5655 on the road so we can have a 5 car low v train. |
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Posted by Q65A on Mon Oct 6 13:19:49 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 5 09:15:56 2025. Great images; thanks much!I remember seeing the WF cars in work train service. They seemed ancient, especially with "Interborough" stenciled on their letterboards. The WF cars bear a resemblance to some of the old H&M cars, no? Old H&M Cars |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:44:01 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 09:11:41 2025. In the last year of so of their operation all the old cars on the 3rd Avenue El were given a nice green paint job.Larry, RedbirdR33 You'll see that in part two. Bill M. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:44:49 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by italianguyinsi on Mon Oct 6 09:18:57 2025. Excellent photos and thank you for sharing. Wish more than one example was saved.You're welcome and I agree with you. Bill M. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:48:10 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 6 09:58:40 2025. I hope they get 5655 on the road so we can have a 5 car low v train.They desperately need a fifth car. If restored to be roadworthy, could they operate a 5 car train and trailer car #4902 ? They tried it on a fan trip of four Low-Vs and one trailer car but the train couldn't get up the ramp at Concourse yard. So I wonder if a fifth Low-V would make a difference. Bill M. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:51:09 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Q65A on Mon Oct 6 13:19:49 2025. The WF cars bear a resemblance to some of the old H&M cars, no?Compare here. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 6 17:25:36 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:48:10 2025. It should. After all 5 motorized Lo-Vs made it up the Steinway tunnel loaded with passengers back in the day. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 6 18:20:46 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 09:08:21 2025. Lest we forget the two major sporting events of 1969:The Jets won Super Bowl III and the Mets won the World Series. Both teams beat the representatives from Baltimore. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 6 18:22:41 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:48:10 2025. 5655 is a Steinway while the four museum Lo-V motor cars are Baldwins. Would the different gear ratios cause any issues? |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 18:35:20 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 6 18:20:46 2025. Steve: I was home on leave when the Mets won the World Series. I was visiting the office of the bank where I had worked. It was at East 51 Street and Park Avenue. The news of the Mets win came over the stock market ticker. I walk outside and headed down Vanderbilt Avenue towards 42nd Street. There was a veritable blizzard of ticker tape filling the sky. I did not know it at the time but there was a girl on Vanderbilt that day a few blocks away who witnessed the event. Three years later we would meet and get married. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 18:37:03 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Q65A on Mon Oct 6 13:19:49 2025. The World's Fair didn't last too long in work service. The TA was starting to by diesels for the work trains. Usually they would end up as rider cars. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 18:41:42 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 6 16:44:01 2025. Bill: This is out of sequence but it adds a little more information to discussion. 1969 – from The Book of Last Runs This is the last day of operation of pre-WWII cars on the IRT 3rd Avenue El in The Bronx. The last train made one trip in the AM rush. The consist was: (N) Steinway Motor Car 5641 (ACF-1925) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5670 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Trailer Car 5353 (Pullman-1922) Steinway Motor Car 5636 (ACF-1925) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5676 (St Louis-1938) .This train and two others were in service on October 18, 1969. No 1 World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5679 (St Louis-1938) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5684 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Trailer Car 5340 (Pullman-1922) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5658 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Motor Car 5466 (ACF -1924) No 2 World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5669 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Motor Car 5483 (ACF –1924) Low-Voltage Trailer Car 5356 (Pullman-1922) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5666 (St Louis-1938) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5655 (St Louis-1938) Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1969 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 6 20:46:59 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 6 18:20:46 2025. Yeah, but the Jets was actually the 1968 season (even if the Super Bowl was January 1969). Mets was the 1969 season. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 6 21:09:10 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 18:41:42 2025. 👍 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 6 21:13:16 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 6 20:46:59 2025. Most people wouldn’t know the ‘68 Jets. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 6 21:14:04 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 18:37:03 2025. When would they have been withdrawn from work service? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 7 03:19:06 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Oct 6 06:00:12 2025. All of that may be true, but I would think that the IRT could have saved money on the lamp trimmers and kerosene by installing electric running lights on its equipment. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 7 03:32:44 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 6 17:25:36 2025. As I alluded to in another post, IRT services that ran through the Steinway Tunnel used consists of all motor cars. Even on the mainline, Steinways ran of all motor consists. I don’t understand why a train of 4 motors and one trailer couldn't make the ramp out of CCYd since back in the days when the Lo-Vs (and Hi-Vs) ruled the IRT, midnight service was run with 5 car trains with both one and two trailers in the consists. When 10 car expresses were cut 5 X 5 for midnight service, alternate 5 car trains had 2 trailers and alternate consists had 1 trailer. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 7 03:34:11 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 6 18:22:41 2025. I understand that 5655 has been outfitted with standard Lo-V trucks replacing the Steinway trucks. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 7 03:35:28 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by W.B. on Sun Oct 5 16:37:08 2025. The Multi roofs were also of a similar design. |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Oct 7 05:18:08 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 6 21:13:16 2025. Except the infamous "Heidi Bowl" game of Nov. 17, 1968. Which was six days after WABC-TV premiered a little, albeit radically revamped, newscast called "Eyewitness News" which remains on the air to this day. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 7 06:44:28 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 7 03:32:44 2025. Even on the mainline, Steinways ran of all motor consists. I don’t understand why a train of 4 motors and one trailer couldn't make the ramp out of CCYd since back in the days when the Lo-Vs (and Hi-Vs) ruled the IRT, midnight service was run with 5 car trains with both one and two trailers in the consists.I don't recall the weather on that day. If the rails were wet, could this be a factor ? I do recall we made two made three attempts to make the ramp. The last one was a running start. After that, #4902 was never used in any excursions that I can remember. Bill M. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Oct 7 10:28:08 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 6 21:14:04 2025. I am not sure. Probably not after the early eighties. Anyone know for sure? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Asgard on Tue Oct 7 11:49:15 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by gbs on Sun Oct 5 17:34:36 2025. Probably for compatibility with the rest of the IRT fleet. These were only 50 cars among all the others, which had kerosene lanterns. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 7 15:31:03 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Oct 6 09:08:21 2025. Why didn’t they run the remaining 3rd Ave el with all WF cars? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Oct 7 16:15:35 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 7 15:31:03 2025. There may not have been enough operational WF cars to do that. After the prewar cars were replaced with R12 GE equipped cars (5753-5802) a few R14 cars had to be assigned to the line so there would be an adequate number of cars to operate the service. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 7 16:43:27 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by W.B. on Tue Oct 7 05:18:08 2025. Even that you’d have to be a bit of a die hard to know. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Oct 7 18:25:20 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The 1939 World's Fair Cars, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 7 15:31:03 2025. Why didn’t they run the remaining 3rd Ave el with all WF cars? Mike: The el at that time required eleven five car trains for rush hour service. This meant 55 cars. The were only 48 WF Motors as two had already been assigned to the Vacuum Cleaner train. Add to this about seven standard Steinways and fourteen or so Lo-V Trailers. Of course as the decade ran on the Steinways started to drop out. That is why on 1968 the five museum Lo-V motors were assigned here. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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