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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 7 12:26:22 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Great pictures. Thanks for sharing!I noticed on the factory fresh R12 pic that the horn was mounted on the roofline facing forward. It was later changed to be mounted lower and horizontally. I wonder when and why they did that while on the R10s the horn was left alone, mounted the way it came from the factory, facing forward? |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Sep 7 12:36:26 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Reminds us that all the subway cars that took us from Point "A" to Point "B" were shiny and new once. Then time marched on.I was noticing about that 1938 WF car at Grand Central in '57: Has anyone noticed how their front roll signs had hyphens in-between words ("GRAND-CENTRAL")? And that shot of mainline R-33's waiting to be delivered: It only seemed like 1863, how long ago it was. But all in all, very interesting, and once again much appreciated. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 7 14:29:57 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Excellent pictures. The 1957 shot is notable and looks like it was much brighter than it actually was. There are May 1966 photos of Grand Central on the shuttle line that looks extremely dark and dank after the rebuild following the fire but before the tiling and fluorescent lights were put in as shown in 1968 photos. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 18:38:14 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 7 14:29:57 2025. The photographer used the available light method as in no flashbulbs. He either used a wider lens aperture or misjudged and overexposed it. Here's the same photo darkened. ![]() |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 18:44:34 2025, in response to Re: Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by W.B. on Sun Sep 7 12:36:26 2025. I've never known about the hyphen. Here's another photo at Grand Central. Hyphen in full view. ![]() |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 7 18:51:08 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Great shots, Bill |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 8 02:05:41 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 7 12:26:22 2025. I’m only guessing, but it may have been because the R-15s had the horn mounted horizontally and the shop force at Corona Barn might have had it done for standardization. Even when the R-16s went to the IND a few years later, there weren't enough of them there to justify a similar change. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 8 02:24:39 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. If you take a good look at the photo of the Lo-Vs on the Jerome N/O Bedford Pk, you will notice crank handles on the end of the car similar to the ones on the battleship Hi-Vs that controlled the center doors. The first Lo-Vs had pneumatic door controls but no MUDC which came later. There were 2 handles, one for the end doors and one for the center doors which could be opened independently of each other. The Hi-V trailers were also set up that way. With that set up, the C/Rs could keep the center doors closed at stations like 14th St, Bkln Br (S/B exp tk) and South Ferry outer loop and keep the end doors closed on the S/B lcl side at 14th St and the inner loop at South Ferry. According to and old time M/M I knew since the first mainline Lo-Vs were the Flivvers it was those door handles that gave the Flivvers their name since they resembled the cranks on the automobiles of the day. When MUDC was introduced and selective door operation was no longer possible, gap fillers were installed at 14th St and Bkln Br. South Ferry did not get them until the assignment of the R types to the West Side lcls but C/Rs on trains using the outside loop had to manually lock out the center doors assisted by platform C/Rs at Rector St for 7th Ave trains and bowling Green for Lex service. By the time MUDC was installed. East Side through trains no longer used the inner loop at So/Fy and the Bwlg Green shuttle used manual door Hi-Vs and later specially outfitted Lo-Vs and eventually specially modified R-12s with selective door operation. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Sep 8 03:56:09 2025, in response to Re: Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 18:44:34 2025. And on the other side of the train, read "TIMES-SQUARE." |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 8 09:49:03 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Very cool.Yes, the 2nd Ave el used 129th St. It was the terminal for all non rush hour trains. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 8 19:07:42 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Photo #7 is the front view of the yard and inspection barn. But check out the photo. I see what looks like catenary towers in the distance. The NYW&B catenary towers would be way behind the yard and inspection barn. What do you see ? ![]() |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 8 19:08:53 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Photo #7 is the front view of the yard and inspection barn. But check out the photo. I see what looks like catenary towers in the distance. The NYW&B catenary towers would be way behind the yard and inspection barn. What do you see ? ![]() |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 8 20:37:52 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 18:38:14 2025. Ah!And there clearly was tiling on what I assume was Track 4 in that photo that was not there in the post-fire rebuild shown in the 1966 photos. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 8 20:55:59 2025, in response to Re: Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 18:44:34 2025. Hyphens like that were common in the first part of the 20th century. There were many cases where "Today" for example was spelled "To-Day" and so forth. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Sep 8 21:01:31 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by randyo on Mon Sep 8 02:24:39 2025. Interesting:Could today's NTT trains if they used the inner loop at SF program it so only the center doors opened? |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Sep 9 01:52:59 2025, in response to Correction ? [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 8 19:07:42 2025. Bill,This should be the White Plains Line under construction, north of East Tremont Ave. It would be just beyond the split for Bronx Park. Before we had switches south of the East (180), the switches were closer to East Tremont. Peter Dougherty has this drawn in his book. I was trying to figure out what the abandoned trackway is north of East Tremont on the 179th St. side. It would appear there was at least a temporary track connection from West Farms Yard to 3 Tk. Thanks for shedding light on this. Regards, CS |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 9 03:55:10 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 8 09:49:03 2025. All 2nd Ave locals terminated at 129th St not just non rush hour service. Only the expresses went to the Bronx and operated to Freeman St via the Bergen Ave Cutoff. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Tue Sep 9 13:53:45 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. Fantastic! |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 9 18:39:52 2025, in response to Correction ? [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 8 19:08:53 2025. I would agree that this is the elevated 177th St. yard. You would not find steel subway cars on an elevated line structure. This view appears to be looking east towards the Bronx River and the NYW&B tracks which run parallel to the river on their way to the 180th St. station which was adjacent to the IRT station at East 180th St. which was part of the White Plains Road extension. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 9 19:00:25 2025, in response to Re: Correction ? [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Stef on Tue Sep 9 01:52:59 2025. This should be the White Plains Line under construction, north of East Tremont Ave. It would be just beyond the split for Bronx Park. Before we had switches south of the East (180), the switches were closer to East Tremont. Peter Dougherty has this drawn in his book. I was trying to figure out what the abandoned trackway is north of East Tremont on the 179th St. side. It would appear there was at least a temporary track connection from West Farms Yard to 3 Tk. Thanks for shedding light on this. I'm a bit confused. I see the NYW&B catenary towers the distance, so line is curving left to East 180th St, correct ? Is West Farms yard and 177th St. yard one in the same ? So the tracks in the foreground are the same three tracks of the #2 & #5 line today ? Bill M. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 9 19:14:50 2025, in response to Re: Correction ? [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 9 18:39:52 2025. I found this map from the tracks of New York Vol. 3 book. Now when you compare the map with the photo, is makes sense. ![]() ![]() |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Sep 9 19:36:08 2025, in response to Re: Correction ? [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 9 19:00:25 2025. WFY and 177 are one in the same.The three tracks are the 2/5. At the time the pic was taken, the White Plains line had not yet entered regular operation. You've seen ToNY. The answer is pretty clear. Regards, CS |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 10 03:06:19 2025, in response to Re: Correction ? [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 9 18:39:52 2025. Actually, some of the IRT steel cars did find their way to the 2nd Ave el since that is how they were transferred from the Queens Lines to the 148th St shop for major maintenance. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 10:34:26 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. ![]() The grandiose City Hall station nearly complete with natural daylight filtering through the ceilings skylights. ![]() On this December 27, 1945 photo about a week before closure, This is how the station looked in its last days. Protective iron fences, an illuminated gap warning sign and advertising posters are evident. ![]() Undated photo of 103rd Street head house. ![]() Two views of the Manhattan Valley 125th St. station. (circa 1904-05) ![]() ![]() Construction phase of the New Lots line portal. (October 11, 1918) ![]() Undated photo of the Flushing line approach to Willets Point. ![]() This photo was captioned as 7th Ave. & 43rd St. If incorrect, where do you think this is ? ![]() Broadside view of two Low Vs. Trailer car on left, motor car on right. (undated photo) ![]() A motorman and his Low V. Posed with brake handle displayed. ![]() 1950 photo at Queensboro Plaza when Low Vs ruled the Corona-Flushing Line. Notice the abandoned 2nd Ave. el trackage with signals years after 2nd Ave. service ceased operations. ![]() On July 9, 1956, six R-17 cars were tested with air conditioning, music and germ killing lamps. The cars ran from Grand Central to Brooklyn Bridge to Parkchester. Regular service began July 11th. A test on the 42nd St. shuttle (August 20-21), was a failure. Later tests were done on the Broadway Express. More powerful units were installed in 1957. Conventional fans were installed in 1962 and further tests suspended. (Caption from A history of The New York City Subway System Part 1) ![]() When the Dyre Ave. shuttle ran overnights, token booth clerks were removed and fare were collected on board using a Johnson Model D fare box seen here mounted on the entrance. ![]() February 16, 1963 photo of R-22 #7516 as the "automated shuttle at Grand Central. It appears the columns were painted green for the automated shuttle operation ![]() R-22 #7516 was in a group of R-22's that were tested with interior "plextone" paint scheme and fiberglass seating that would be the standard up until the R-38s. These R-22's had a unique one piece storm door window. (Photo: Flatbush Ave. November 24, 1970) ![]() R-14 #5952 and at least one R-10 had an experimental test for better ventilation with vent louvers in the doors.. The test failed and the louvers were removed, replace by a convention one piece glass. ![]() Stored at Coney Island yard stands Low-V motor #5302 (#30183) 1917 Pullman Car Co. Reportedly the only Low-V without center doors. Used as a revenue collector or pay car but was a work motor in her last years. Sadly it was one of one and scrapped sometime after this photo on Sept 15, 1968 ![]() Photographed at the 240th St. tower are new R-62's in service on the #2 line. These are the "A" division's first stainless steel cars. (March 1984) ![]() The "New Tech" era in the form of experimental R-110A's are in test mode on the Sea Beach line at 18th Ave. These cars were stored for many years before being repurposed into maintenance equipment. ![]() And for the final photo, some in-house grafitti on a Low v at 207th St. shops. I see a sine wave and a tic tac toe on the motorman's door. Can you make out the rest ? lol Most likely done with blackboard chalk, it would soon wash off in the next rain day and reveal the classic steel dust patina. *****Coming soon, The Odds & Ends of the IND***** ![]() |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 10:35:09 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 7 10:33:09 2025. ![]() The grandiose City Hall station nearly complete with natural daylight filtering through the ceilings skylights. ![]() On this December 27, 1945 photo about a week before closure, This is how the station looked in its last days. Protective iron fences, an illuminated gap warning sign and advertising posters are evident. ![]() Undated photo of 103rd Street head house. ![]() Two views of the Manhattan Valley 125th St. station. (circa 1904-05) ![]() ![]() Construction phase of the New Lots line portal. (October 11, 1918) ![]() Undated photo of the Flushing line approach to Willets Point. ![]() This photo was captioned as 7th Ave. & 43rd St. If incorrect, where do you think this is ? ![]() Broadside view of two Low Vs. Trailer car on left, motor car on right. (undated photo) ![]() A motorman and his Low V. Posed with brake handle displayed. ![]() 1950 photo at Queensboro Plaza when Low Vs ruled the Corona-Flushing Line. Notice the abandoned 2nd Ave. el trackage with signals years after 2nd Ave. service ceased operations. ![]() On July 9, 1956, six R-17 cars were tested with air conditioning, music and germ killing lamps. The cars ran from Grand Central to Brooklyn Bridge to Parkchester. Regular service began July 11th. A test on the 42nd St. shuttle (August 20-21), was a failure. Later tests were done on the Broadway Express. More powerful units were installed in 1957. Conventional fans were installed in 1962 and further tests suspended. (Caption from A history of The New York City Subway System Part 1) ![]() When the Dyre Ave. shuttle ran overnights, token booth clerks were removed and fare were collected on board using a Johnson Model D fare box seen here mounted on the entrance. ![]() February 16, 1963 photo of R-22 #7516 as the "automated shuttle at Grand Central. It appears the columns were painted green for the automated shuttle operation ![]() R-22 #7516 was in a group of R-22's that were tested with interior "plextone" paint scheme and fiberglass seating that would be the standard up until the R-38s. These R-22's had a unique one piece storm door window. (Photo: Flatbush Ave. November 24, 1970) ![]() R-14 #5952 and at least one R-10 had an experimental test for better ventilation with vent louvers in the doors.. The test failed and the louvers were removed, replace by a convention one piece glass. ![]() Stored at Coney Island yard stands Low-V motor #5302 (#30183) 1917 Pullman Car Co. Reportedly the only Low-V without center doors. Used as a revenue collector or pay car but was a work motor in her last years. Sadly it was one of one and scrapped sometime after this photo on Sept 15, 1968 ![]() Photographed at the 240th St. tower are new R-62's in service on the #2 line. These are the "A" division's first stainless steel cars. (March 1984) ![]() The "New Tech" era in the form of experimental R-110A's are in test mode on the Sea Beach line at 18th Ave. These cars were stored for many years before being repurposed into maintenance equipment. ![]() And for the final photo, some in-house grafitti on a Low v at 207th St. shops. I see a sine wave and a tic tac toe on the motorman's door. Can you make out the rest ? lol Most likely done with blackboard chalk, it would soon wash off in the next rain day and reveal the classic steel dust patina. *****Coming soon, The Odds & Ends of the IND***** ![]() |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 14 11:21:56 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] MORE !!! Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 10:34:26 2025. Great pictures. Thanks for sharing! What caught my eye was the shot of Low-Vs there approaching QBP on the Flushing line in 1950. This had to be one of the last runs for the Low-Vs since the R12/14s were already in service and the R15s were being delivered in 1950 making the Flushing line the first line to run all post war equipment by the end of 1950. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 14 13:02:25 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] MORE !!! Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 10:34:26 2025. Awesome pics! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 13:37:52 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] MORE !!! Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 14 11:21:56 2025. Great pictures. Thanks for sharing! What caught my eye was the shot of Low-Vs there approaching QBP on the Flushing line in 1950. This had to be one of the last runs for the Low-Vs since the R12/14s were already in service and the R15s were being delivered in 1950 making the Flushing line the first line to run all post war equipment by the end of 1950.Thank you. Perhaps someone will come forward and come up a date. This photo may of the last train if the year 1950 when the Low-V's last ran there. Bill M. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 13:38:57 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] MORE !!! Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 14 13:02:25 2025. Awesome pics!Glad you like them. Bill M. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 14 15:00:45 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] MORE !!! Odds & Ends Of The I.R.T., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 14 10:35:09 2025. Way cool! more please! |
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