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A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 12:42:22 2025 As stated in my previous posts, I observed a s/b train wrong railing on the n/b express track. I'm assuming that they were running this train between Kings Hwy and Church in both directions. I saw it running s/b on the n/b tracks. Would the stop arms have been tied down to allow this? Now I'm wondering would a tripper, that is configured to stop a n/b train, have any affect on a train running s/b over it? Or would it even be triggered by a train coming in the wrong direction? |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by zac on Mon Mar 10 14:55:07 2025, in response to A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 12:42:22 2025. I was wondering the same. Maybe the stretch can be configured as an absolute block. |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 17:21:37 2025, in response to Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by zac on Mon Mar 10 14:55:07 2025. Maybe the stretch can be configured as an absolute block.How would an absolute block be implemented? |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Mar 10 19:32:41 2025, in response to Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 17:21:37 2025. Don't they do that, between atlantic and prospect park when working on one track at night with a 30 minute headway? |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by zac on Mon Mar 10 20:11:30 2025, in response to Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Mar 10 19:32:41 2025. That block is reverse signaled to be an absolute block. |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Mar 10 21:44:05 2025, in response to Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 17:21:37 2025. How would an absolute block be implemented? A block is a length of track with defined limits. The use of which may be governed by hand signals, verbal signals, or automatic signals. An absolute block means that only one train at a time can occupy the block. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 22:03:25 2025, in response to Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Mar 10 21:44:05 2025. A block is a length of track with defined limits. The use of which may be governed by hand signals, verbal signals, or automatic signals. An absolute block means that only one train at a time can occupy the block. Hi Larry. I seem to be absolutely blocked in understanding what I allegedly saw. So let's say the train I saw was running between Kings Hwy and Church. So how would that block be physically defined? A railroad tie across the tracks at each end? And let's say we have just one train trapped between those ties. Now would the trapped train be free to go up and back as it saw fit? Now the n/b Brighton express track is not reversed signalled. So it doesn't seem that it would be controlled by the existing signal system. |
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[VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 11 08:53:18 2025, in response to A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 12:42:22 2025. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 11 09:22:08 2025, in response to [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 11 08:53:18 2025. What type of coupler is that?How come the test stretch between Howard Beach and Broad Channel is not used? |
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Mar 11 10:46:43 2025, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 11 09:22:08 2025. A guess that this gives a different track profile than one that is just flat straight track. You have some slight curves and a climb out of the cut. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by zac on Tue Mar 11 11:17:53 2025, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 11 09:22:08 2025. Isn't work being done there? |
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Alexander 4444....Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 11 12:10:53 2025, in response to [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 11 08:53:18 2025. Yes, Bill. Thank you. So it was real!!!I was really happy to see 4444 on the south end. |
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by Jailhousedoc on Tue Mar 11 14:00:46 2025, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by zac on Tue Mar 11 11:17:53 2025. Yes - no trains are being allowed south of Howard Beach/JFK due to work being done at Hammels Wye. When that is done we will see what has been done and what else is to be done. |
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Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Mar 11 18:19:54 2025, in response to Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 10 22:03:25 2025. So how would that block be physically defined? A railroad tie across the tracks at each end? And let's say we have just one train trapped between those ties. Now would the trapped train be free to go up and back as it saw fit? Now the n/b Brighton express track is not reversed signalled. So it doesn't seem that it would be controlled by the existing signal system.Heypaul : Along the right of way on the Brighton Line you will see wayside signals . There control access to the length of track ahead of them. This is a block. When you encounter the next wayside signal that signifies the end of the block and the start of the next one. Remember that when you are viewing the lights on a signal mast you are looking at the rear of the signal. Some tracks such as in the river tunnels are signaled for traffic in both directions. Out on the mainline they may be signaled for traffic in one direction only. This is called "current of traffic". If say a tree falls on the track and you need to reverse the train in order to clear the track special procedures must be put into effect. First you must hold all traffic clear of the track. They you can reverse the stalled train and run in backwards to the next interlocking. At that point you stop the train and wait for clearance to enter the interlocking. This should always be done at a restricted or slow speed with adequate supervision on board. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? Wrong Rail Ope's Photo |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 12 08:08:06 2025, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? About Wrong Railing Operations on the Brighton Line, posted by Jailhousedoc on Tue Mar 11 14:00:46 2025. So, wye knot let trains from NYC terminate at Broad Channel?There are enough switches to reverse trains. 
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? Wrong Rail Ope's Photo |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Mar 12 11:17:48 2025, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? Wrong Rail Ope's Photo, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 12 08:08:06 2025. Wye?? Is there enough Broad Channel ridership to justify it as a temporary terminal??? |
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Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? Wrong Rail Ope's Photo |
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Posted by zac on Wed Mar 12 12:29:53 2025, in response to Re: [VIDEO] Re: A ? Wrong Rail Ope's Photo, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Mar 12 11:17:48 2025. It would be a shorter bus ride from Rockaway, but that section of Cross Bay isn't all that busy in the winter and it is probably quicker than the train would be. |
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