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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 16 15:36:21 2025, in response to New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 16 14:44:41 2025. It makes hopping harder to do because you can't use two hands to secure yourself when hopping.People hop using their hands and arms like doing dips on parallel bars. If this observation is correct they will expand the strategy system wide. |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Jan 16 19:24:52 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 16 15:36:21 2025. Yesterday as I was exiting uptown through a turnstile at 125 St (2,3), the guard at the gate intentionally let in six young men. So not only are we paying his salary, but we're losing the fares too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 16 20:36:38 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by gbs on Thu Jan 16 19:24:52 2025. No surprise.A few years ago some guy hopped the turnstile at Continental-71, lost his grip, landed on his head, and died. I'm sure his family sued. If Transit is going to make it harder to hop, resulting in more injuries, they might face even more lawsuits. |
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Posted by numbersix on Thu Jan 16 21:54:53 2025, in response to New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 16 14:44:41 2025. Electrified razor blades would be more effective. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jan 16 23:40:57 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by gbs on Thu Jan 16 19:24:52 2025. and paying the guard to help the crooked rip off the honest.So basically it's a double win for the people who set up the operation. Judge the intent of a gov't program, policy or procedure by its results. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 17 04:54:32 2025, in response to New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 16 14:44:41 2025. They need to install high entry doors as used on the PATCO line in Philly/South Jersey, |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 17 05:03:04 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 16 20:36:38 2025. Like I said, use the high entrance doors like is done on PATCO in Philly/South Jersey. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 17 05:04:00 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jan 16 23:40:57 2025. Or the guard was told to let them through because of concerns of lawsuits. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 17 08:48:46 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jan 16 20:36:38 2025. I have a photo of that somewhere. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 17 08:49:43 2025, in response to New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 16 14:44:41 2025. 3rd world is a great description. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 17 11:20:45 2025, in response to New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 16 14:44:41 2025. Here's a wacky idea: arrest them en masse every time they try. And press charges. Back when I was a spry young man in the Gay 90's they did this and any gentlewoman could ride the underground trolley without being set on fire.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 11:30:18 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by gbs on Thu Jan 16 19:24:52 2025. was the guard white and the young men korean?Not saying race is involved in scenarios like this at all. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 11:31:50 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 17 04:54:32 2025. I posted a vid about SF installing these a few months ago. There were claims they weren't perfect. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 17 11:58:48 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 17 11:20:45 2025. Hahaha |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 17 12:25:44 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 17 11:20:45 2025. Yes, by all means, arrest them but enacted legislation so such an arrest comes with significant penalties. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 14:00:11 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 17 12:25:44 2025. No penalties. You "arrest them", say "I got you this time", everyone laughs, then you say "don't do it again", and walk away.Justice served. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 17 14:51:05 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 17 14:00:11 2025. Except in Manhattan where alvin scum-bragg apologizes for the inconvenience |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Jan 17 16:30:38 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 17 05:04:00 2025. That's fantasy, unless a corrupt deal is made.The State makes the laws, appoints the judges and decides whether to pay or defend nuisance claims. Individual agents of the government can't be sued for carrying out lawful duties as directed by the government. If the State wishes to pervert and corrupt the application of law, they can welcome and settle any lawsuit as a means of stealing from the public and giving to favored people or groups. "Laws and locks only keep out honest people", this applies to governments as well. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 08:31:06 2025, in response to New York subway installs spikes, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 16 14:44:41 2025. If you look at the photo, the points are rounded off and not sharp. That must be to protect the fare beater who would become injured thus suing the MTA.Bill M. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 19 11:37:20 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 08:31:06 2025. Nothing short of a Berlin Wall will thwart farebeaters - and even then, chances are they'll get around it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 13:01:02 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 08:31:06 2025. Makes no sense to allow people to sue for getting injured by devices designed to repel invaders. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 22 03:25:19 2025, in response to Re: New York subway installs spikes, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 13:01:02 2025. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things are going these days. |
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