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Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a "dirty look" |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 11:06:15 2024 He was just found guilty today/yesterday.Lesson. Never look at anybody. Keep your eyes closed. And bump into people, thereby "disrespecting" them and get shoved onto the tracks anyway. |
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Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'' |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 31 14:50:44 2024, in response to Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a "dirty look", posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 11:06:15 2024. Better yet - do not stand anywhere near the platform edge before the train pulls in. Stand up again the station wall; if its an island platform, stand in the middle and/or try to wrap your hand around something. The life you save may be your own. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 15:22:29 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 31 14:50:44 2024. My mother taught me this many years ago, way before Europe was even as American as it is today. |
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Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'' |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 31 16:31:42 2024, in response to Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a "dirty look", posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 11:06:15 2024. Damn! Hes a lucky man. Is that the 3d rail in the middle of the gauge? If so, he's extremely lucky he didn't hit that. For if he did and his legs touched the running rail, he'd be fried on the spot. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 31 16:43:12 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 31 16:31:42 2024. No, the 3rd rail was beyond the outside rail and is covered by a protection board. It was unclear what that was in the trough. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 31 17:15:57 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 31 16:43:12 2024. Ok. Thanks. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 31 18:23:05 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 31 16:43:12 2024. It was unclear what that was in the trough.The Oxford Circus station is in London. London Underground uses 4 rails. The center rail is -210vdc, with respect to ground. The outer rail is +420vdc, with respect to ground. Neither power rail is covered. The train is powered by the center and outer rails for 630vdc. This leaves the running rails unpowered. As a result, London signals are DC and on the running rails. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 1 09:49:24 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 15:22:29 2024. And we ALL know what makes Europe "American" nowadays. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 14:33:40 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 31 18:23:05 2024. This is a stupid question.If one touches the negative 4th rail, and ground, does one get electrocuted? |
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Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'' |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 14:47:52 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 14:33:40 2024. 210 volts DC?Ouch. Maybe you survive, maybe you don't. A college physics professor of mine claimed that humans have been electrocuted by voltages as low as in the 40s. But obviously people often survive 220. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 15:00:52 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 14:47:52 2024. Not +210V, -210V |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 1 15:09:04 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 14:33:40 2024. Under the right (or is it wrong) conditions, a person can be electrocuted with a 9 volt battery.Some stations are isolated from the rest of the traction power. In these stations the center rail is grounded to the isolated running rails. The outer rail is set to 630 vdc. This way, the train with its two pickups will see 630 vdc and a person can touch the center rail and not get electrocuted. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 15:12:10 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 14:47:52 2024. Its the amps that kill you, not the volts. I'm sure there are a few out there that got bit by very high voltage (10K?) in spark plug wires.We live to tell about it because of miniscule amps there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 15:34:00 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 1 15:09:04 2024. OK, but I mean if someone just fell on the tracks and stepped on the 4th rail but not the 3rd rail, what happens? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 15:42:10 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 15:00:52 2024. There is no effective difference. It is the absolute value of the voltage difference between the two points that you are touching that matters.|+210| = |-210| = 210 |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 15:45:12 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 15:34:00 2024. If their body is also well connected to ground, the voltage they feel is the absolute value of the voltage difference between ground and the 4th rail.If they are totally disconnected from ground (doing a good balancing act), nothing happens at all. After all, birds can sit on an uninsulated power wire. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 15:47:43 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 15:12:10 2024. The voltage of the spark plug gap decreases dramatically as soon as you start to short it because there is very little charge behind it.But for a conduit supplied by a power company, the charge is unlimited, for all practical purposes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 1 15:54:07 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 15:42:10 2024. Thank you. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 17:30:27 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 1 15:09:04 2024. Do you know of anyone electrocuted by a 9 volt battery?As a kid playing with my transistor radio powered by a 9 volt battery, we used to touch both terminals with our tongues to see how much juice was left. If we got a good "tingle" that meant the battery was good. A weak or no tingle meant get a new battery. And we all lived to tell about it! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 1 18:24:30 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 31 16:31:42 2024. London's Underground has a Lionel-style middle, or fourth rail. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 19:17:09 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 17:30:27 2024. With licking the terminals, you don't generate a current that can pass through your heart.I would assume the recipe for getting killed by a 9 volt battery works like this: 1. Have an extremely weak heart. 2. Put your left arm all the way into a barrel full of water. Maybe cover it with salt first just to help with the conductivity. 3. Put your right arm into another barrel. 4. Connect the two barrels of water: length of bare wire dipped into each barrel, each wire soldered extremely well onto separate battery terminals, intervening on/off switch temporarily set to the off position while you set everything up. 5. Turn the switch to the on position. Let me just say that even without having qualification #1, I'm not about to volunteer for the experiment. What guards you from electrocution is usually that the surface of your body has a lot of resistance, and/or that the current from the two places you touch doesn't pass through your heart. Maybe 10 years ago there was a newspaper report about a teenager who had just gotten out of the shower, and her wet foot stepped on a frayed electric cord while her wet hand touched a radiator. That ended in tragedy. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 19:23:42 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 19:17:09 2024. Good grief... You are an overthinker to the extreme! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 19:55:35 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 19:23:42 2024. Nah. You posed a challenge. :) |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Aug 2 04:25:54 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 17:30:27 2024. Did that too.We're both still alive. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Aug 2 19:05:12 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 15:47:43 2024. Are they still making cars with spark plugs? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 2 20:03:30 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Aug 2 19:05:12 2024. Absolutely. All ICE cars and hybrids need them to function. The C in ICE stands for combustion which can only be achieved by a spark plug.The exception is for diesel engines which is something else altogether. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 3 20:46:31 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 2 20:03:30 2024. All? I don't recall diesel cars needing spark plugs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 3 20:55:33 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Thu Aug 1 14:47:52 2024. Nobody gets killed by voltage. That's electric potential.Amperage kills, specifically if the body becomes a pathway for the electric potential to reach the ground, and if that pathway travels across the heart. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 3 21:19:14 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 3 20:55:33 2024. People get killed by high voltage with plenty of charge behind it.I = V/R. So if V is high relative to R, and V doesn't drop immediately because of a limited charge, then I is high too. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 3 22:58:26 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 3 20:46:31 2024. Never said that they did. However some diesels need glow plugs to get started on cold mornings. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 4 13:21:06 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Sat Aug 3 21:19:14 2024. I is high tooWow. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 4 13:59:38 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 4 13:21:06 2024. ???You know that I is the symbol for current, right? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 4 14:08:25 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 3 22:58:26 2024. You said "ICE". Diesels are internal combustion engines. For ICEs, we have the Otto cycle (gasoline, after Nikolaus Otto) and the Diesel cycle (for Rudolf Diesel; he intended his engine to be truly "flex-fuel", even including pulverized coal as a potential fuel). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 4 14:16:24 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by AlM on Sun Aug 4 13:59:38 2024. LOL! U is high. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 4 14:42:26 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 4 14:16:24 2024. OK, I is high. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 4 18:22:43 2024, in response to Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a "dirty look", posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 11:06:15 2024. What the heck did I just read?There is only One recourse for you. Git yo ass over there an got yo "action figures" back. She has ruined you. Robbed you of your senses. You need your GI Joe, with the Kung Fu Grip,back in your life ASAP. DON'T FORGET ABOUT ROBIN THE BOY WONDER.. YOU NEED HIM TOO. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 5 06:31:19 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Aug 1 15:12:10 2024. Depends on what you're calling "minuscule", and amps don't exist unless current is flowing. As little as 100 milliamps can kill a person if it's going across the heart. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 5 06:32:24 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 31 15:22:29 2024. It's the other way around, particularly in the liberal cities. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 5 09:19:24 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a “dirty look”, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 5 06:31:19 2024. Its not all that simple. Unless you are going to emerse a person in salt water, thr resistance across the chest could be as much as 50,000 to 200,000 ohms. Since E=IR and we are looking at 0.01 Amperes you are looking at 500 volts or more. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Aug 5 13:15:39 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a ''dirty look'', posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 4 18:22:43 2024. y r u pshing ppl on tracks? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 5 17:28:08 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a “dirty look”, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 5 09:19:24 2024. It's pretty damp in some of those underground stations. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 5 18:36:55 2024, in response to Re: Man pushed onto the tracks for giving a “dirty look”, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 5 09:19:24 2024. Reduce you body resistance to 10K ohms. You'd still need 100 volts to produce 0.01 amp. |
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