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R-160 on Nancy

Posted by italianguyinsi on Tue Apr 30 13:09:42 2024

Yesterday at around 5:10pm, R-160 spotted on Nancy S/B in service. South Motor 899X

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Apr 30 19:06:19 2024, in response to R-160 on Nancy, posted by italianguyinsi on Tue Apr 30 13:09:42 2024.

Did it say 4th Ave. Express or Sea Beach Express?

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by italianguyinsi on Tue Apr 30 19:23:34 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Apr 30 19:06:19 2024.

Sea Beach

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 21:01:33 2024, in response to R-160 on Nancy, posted by italianguyinsi on Tue Apr 30 13:09:42 2024.

Too bad. It wasn't literally on Nancy (married last name "P").

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed May 1 10:02:47 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 21:01:33 2024.

I'm wondering why a Jamaica barn car was there - I thought all the NTT's were needed for Queens Blvd.?

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed May 1 12:29:13 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 21:01:33 2024.

LOL!

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 1 18:58:52 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 21:01:33 2024.

The N to me is the Norton.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by italianguyinsi on Wed May 1 22:08:07 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 1 18:58:52 2024.

I've been calling it Nancy ever since I heard it over the radio in the 32s cabs back when there were no uniforms and one of the motormen used to smoke a pipe! But Norton will do fine.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 2 12:34:48 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 1 18:58:52 2024.

Yeah.. but the tower folks were calling it "Nancy" for as long as I remember.
Even heard radio calls describing the line as such.

Guess it is what it is.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 2 18:35:14 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 2 12:34:48 2024.

I have my own list of names for each letter route.

A - Alice, Abbott
B - Bob, Barney
C - Carol, Costello
D - Ted
E - Ethel
F - Fred
G - Oy Gevalt
H - (Heaving) Harry
J - Curly aka Jerome
L - Larry
M - Moe, McGillicuddy
N - Norton
Q - Queasy
R - Ralph, Ricky
S - Soitenly
W - Wilbur, Wilma
Z - sZemp

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 2 20:40:28 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 2 18:35:14 2024.

😂
Luv It!

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 2 20:45:29 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 2 18:35:14 2024.

What transit personnel are taught to call them today:

A Apple
B Bravo
C Charlie
D Delta
E Echo
F Fox
G George
J (I forget)
L Larry
M Mikey
N November
Q Quincy
R Romeo
S Shuttle
W Whiskey





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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by 3-9 on Thu May 2 21:31:25 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 2 20:45:29 2024.

Huh, almost the NATO alphabet. Interesting about the differences.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu May 2 22:35:06 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by 3-9 on Thu May 2 21:31:25 2024.

Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliett, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu.

For some reason, I thought Abel, Baker, Eagle, were standard.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 2 23:16:18 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 1 18:58:52 2024.

I always knew it as the Nancy (Although I grew up calling it the Sea Beach, as that's what my parents and grandparents called it

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 3 18:15:53 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 2 20:40:28 2024.

I also include Trixie for the D. It's a nod to the old T-West End Express. That way, the 4th Ave. line is the Honeymooners Line, sans Alice.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 3 18:18:06 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 2 20:45:29 2024.

The late Wayne aka Mr. Slant R-40 was a huge Stooges fan. He totally bought into Curly, Larry, Moe and sZemp. We'd be railfanning across the Willimsburg Bridge and I would say, "Welcome to the Three Stooges Division. All Stooges," to which Wayne would chime in, "All the time."

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 3 18:21:01 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 2 23:16:18 2024.

People in Brooklyn always used the BMT titles. Many still do.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by 3-9 on Sat May 4 13:54:41 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu May 2 22:35:06 2024.

Abel and Baker (not sure about Eagle) were from an older alphabet.

The NATO alphabet is pretty useful in the financial services industry.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 4 15:14:14 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 2 18:35:14 2024.

Oh and the V would have been Oy Vay!

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by randyo on Sat May 4 16:41:21 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 3 18:21:01 2024.

When I became a train dispatcher in 1970, on the header of the train register sheets where there was a place for “line” I would insert the BMT name instead of the letter. When I worked Sundays at Stl West End I would enter “West End” instead of “B."

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 4 16:43:55 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu May 2 22:35:06 2024.

The real letter names. This should be taught in Kindergarten. Telling people an email address over the phone is a chore because the Romans were too lazy to keep proper names for the letters of the alphabet.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 4 16:44:27 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 4 13:54:41 2024.

Weren’t able and baker from the WWII phonetic alphabet?

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 4 20:23:44 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by randyo on Sat May 4 16:41:21 2024.

Hey, why not? I'm sure everyone knew what it was.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by 3-9 on Sat May 4 21:12:55 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 4 16:44:27 2024.

Very likely. I remember them from old war movies.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 4 23:42:06 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 4 16:43:55 2024.

No, the problem is the lack of standard sounds assigned to the letters of the so-called Latin alphabet. Think about chevrolet, church, challah, and loch. or how "fish" could be spelled "ghoti" as those letters are sounded in enough, women, and fiction. Not as bizarre as some French spellings, but certainly not following any consistent rules. The most commonly used verbs in many languages are the most irregular--think to be, to have, to go, in English, French, or Spanish as well as Latin.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun May 5 06:31:56 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 4 16:43:55 2024.

Less often needed, but sometimes even the numbers could use more distinct sounds. "Tree, fow-er, fife, niner" for 3, 4, 5, and 9 respectively. Usually it's not a problem on modern phones if the person giving the phone number takes their time and enunciates, but I sure wouldn't mind people knowing that vocabulary either, especially for people who tend to rush (most annoying when they take forever to say what they have to say in the voicemail and then warp-speed their phone number at the end).

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 5 06:45:50 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 4 23:42:06 2024.

That's why English is a hard language to learn for foreigners. The way I describe it, English follows certain rules, until it doesn't. Even rules that I learned as a child no longer apply (e.g., how many "L"s are in the past tense of "LABEL"?). I know people will make the excuse that American English is a living language, etc., etc., but that doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be followed. Not doing so makes the language a mess.

German, on the other hand, is much more consistent in pronunciation and spelling, even with the really huge words and the irregular conjugation of commonly used verbs you mentioned.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun May 5 09:36:09 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 4 23:42:06 2024.

The most commonly used verbs in many languages are the most irregular--think to be, to have, to go, in English, French, or Spanish as well as Latin.

Does anyone know why this is? Why does it seem to be general across languages (or at least Western ones) to make the most basic verbs the most confusing?

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 5 13:33:40 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun May 5 09:36:09 2024.

I will suggest it relates to the semi-literacy of the mass of speakers. If you barely can read or write (think of countries where voters tick boxes by emblems) they will not even know a "correct" spelling thu all they can go by is the sounds of the words as taught by adults in their familyand community.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 5 16:44:32 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 4 15:14:14 2024.

V in NYCT jargon was/is Victor. One retired Asst. Dispatcher called it Vodka.

J (which I forgot) is Juliette

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 5 17:28:32 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 5 16:44:32 2024.

Wayne and I referred to it as Vesuvius once.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 6 00:33:09 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 5 16:44:32 2024.

Sounds like the NATO alphabet. (N on that alphabet is "November".)

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 6 00:37:11 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 5 16:44:32 2024.

Officially, J is Juliette, but have you ever heard it on the job?

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 16:46:04 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by 3-9 on Thu May 2 21:31:25 2024.

I remember one time back in the 80s our s/b Delta was arriving a5 59-CC and I could hear a platform announcement that was.... "All downtown B and D trains will go down 8th Ave", then the voice said... "All Boys and Dogs will go down 8th Ave".

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 16:50:22 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 1 18:58:52 2024.

I always knew it to be the Nancy.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 6 18:26:47 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 16:46:04 2024.

Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice stayed together a little while longer.:)

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 6 21:01:35 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 6 00:37:11 2024.

Never.

I remember simply calling it J on the radio.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 6 21:05:39 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 16:46:04 2024.

Yes, that's what we called them then, but obviously they should have been described that way on the station PA system.



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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 6 21:19:38 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 16:50:22 2024.

And we refered to the M as Mary.

The pick guys always called the old LL the "Lousy Louie". Today the L is simply called "Lousy" by them.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 21:51:34 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 6 21:19:38 2024.

Love it. When did they call the other double lettered routes? I knew the D as the dog as I lived on the Concourse and I'd often hear the M/M identify as such. I learned of the Nancy once when we were stuck on the Manny B behind a train with police activity at Canal.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 6 22:51:54 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by WayneJay on Mon May 6 21:51:34 2024.

Most by just the letter.

Because they sound similar, and because of accents, we used names for B & D; M & N.

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Re: R-160 on Nancy

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 7 20:23:44 2024, in response to Re: R-160 on Nancy, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 6 21:19:38 2024.

The Lonesome Larry, as I like to refer to it. The only line that I ever rode BMT standards on.

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