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In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by heypaul on Sun Apr 21 22:06:14 2024

Davey notes this move -- operating a car from the center and having eyes in front -- is not uncommon.

"We do it about 10, 12 times a week in the last year, and we've done it without any fanfare," he said.

Mid Train Operation

Is he saying operating from the middle of an in service passenger train happens a couple of times a week?

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 22 07:30:31 2024, in response to In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by heypaul on Sun Apr 21 22:06:14 2024.

Outside yards? That does seem strange.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 08:29:23 2024, in response to In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by heypaul on Sun Apr 21 22:06:14 2024.

Other than head car operation is not rare though "several times a week" may be an "uncle bosie-like" exaggeration. If the facts are correct as stated and the crew did lose communication, the CORRECT PROCEDURE, the ruling procedure for other than head car operation, is to STOP THE TRAIN IMMEDIATELY - until positive communication can be re-established. In this case, if those are the "facts, look for the TSS to be sweeping platforms in a station in the very near future.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 22 08:55:32 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 08:29:23 2024.

If true, shouldn't they be terminated?

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 09:13:06 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 22 08:55:32 2024.

Not necessarily. At the MTA, termination is reserved for more overt acts such as theft, assault or gross insubordination. In this case, there is no evidence that the result was intentional. Of course, one caveats being the employee's previous disciplinary record.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 22 12:32:54 2024, in response to In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by heypaul on Sun Apr 21 22:06:14 2024.

On the road: exaggeration.

In yards: no.

I think Davey is including doing it in yards.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 12:36:32 2024, in response to In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by heypaul on Sun Apr 21 22:06:14 2024.

IT IS NEVER EVER DONE IN PASSENGER SERVICE.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Mr RT on Sun Apr 28 11:16:43 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 22 12:36:32 2024.

Was on board a LIRR train where Conductor was in head car & engineer was back one or two cars.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 30 08:24:40 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Mr RT on Sun Apr 28 11:16:43 2024.

I said that it's never done on the subway. Long Island RR might have different operating rules. I will add that before such a move is done in the subway, it was the practice to use a rescue train to safely move passengers off of the disabled train.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 1 08:03:58 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Mr RT on Sun Apr 28 11:16:43 2024.

Oh yeah.
Road a Amtrak train on the Hartford line like that several years ago..no engineer in the front car, but there was some one there with radio..
Train just didn't "feel right" for some reason, and when I got off at New Haven, I walked to the front, and saw that it wasn't a cab car at all.

Took a Metro North local the rest of the way to Grand Central.
Haven't been back on Springfield by train ever since.. even when the line was practically taken over by ConnDot today.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 1 08:04:08 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Mr RT on Sun Apr 28 11:16:43 2024.

Oh yeah.
Road a Amtrak train on the Hartford line like that several years ago..no engineer in the front car, but there was some one there with radio..
Train just didn't "feel right" for some reason, and when I got off at New Haven, I walked to the front, and saw that it wasn't a cab car at all.

Took a Metro North local the rest of the way to Grand Central.
Haven't been back on Springfield by train ever since.. even when the line was practically taken over by ConnDot today.

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Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange

Posted by Bzuck on Wed May 1 14:05:10 2024, in response to Re: In a CBS Report on the Jan 96 St Collision, Prssident Davey Allegedly Said Something Strange, posted by Mr RT on Sun Apr 28 11:16:43 2024.

I was on a NJ transit train that had a control cab issue. The engineer ran it from the engine with a conductor in the cab car.

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