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What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024

I was in Montreal last week and I noticed that both Montreal and Toronto have U-shaped subway lines and I looked it and so does Vancouver.

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Apr 13 20:49:18 2024, in response to What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024.

Hope so.

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 14 07:04:38 2024, in response to What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024.

IIRC Montreal's #2 line is now U-shaped. It wasn't always that way, though.

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by Bill West on Sun Apr 14 15:15:44 2024, in response to What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024.

For Vancouver it's more a question of how the stylized map is drawn then the reality. Look at a satellite map, if it wasn't for a jog around a residential hill to Braid Station they could have just run straight up North Rd from downtown New Westminster to Lougheed Station. Then a stylized map would have shown a tee junction for the Expo line's end at the Millennium line. Probably would have been clearer to the users too, would have clarified that it is a change not a through train back to downtown Vancouver.

Bill

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 14 21:30:20 2024, in response to Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Bill West on Sun Apr 14 15:15:44 2024.

I was actually referring to the downtown portion of the Expo Line. But also when the Millennium Line first opened it doubled-back on itself.

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by Bill West on Mon Apr 15 04:33:04 2024, in response to Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 14 21:30:20 2024.

That downtown U-shape is because the Expo Line saved a lot of money by getting a hold of a disused CPR rail tunnel. It was actually a natural shape to loop through the core business district and around to the Waterfront Station where the SeaBus was already established and where the WestCoast Express commuter rail later came in. See Wikipedia

The Expo line approached through Burnaby and east Vancouver on a disused interurban railway ROW, approached downtown through a BNSF/CN railway cut and then across their yards to the downtown tunnel. I think there was very little expropriation of private lands or buildings, it was hardly invasive on existing land users at all which probably saved a lot of money.

Bill

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 19 16:20:01 2024, in response to What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024.

A U-shape is sort of a natural routing when you have a body of water blocking one side of your city. Into downtown from one direction, around the CBD and back up the other way.

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by B1bus on Sat Apr 20 01:20:41 2024, in response to What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024.

What about the RED line in D.C.?

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Apr 20 08:32:23 2024, in response to Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by B1bus on Sat Apr 20 01:20:41 2024.

The pre-2010 brown M in Manhattan might also fit, but nothing's more pronounced than the current Line 1 in Toronto.

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Re: What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?

Posted by B1bus on Mon Apr 22 03:03:16 2024, in response to What’s the deal with U-shaped metro lines in Canada?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 13 20:23:30 2024.

Slightly off topic.
Isn't the B82sbs kinda like a LONG C
and the B82 local kinda like a LONG G?

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