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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Apr 18 10:56:56 2024 Tuscarora Almanac for April 18 1965 – from The Book of Service Changes Tuscarora Dispatch No. 5 IRT Service Changes April 1965 A new IRT schedule went into effect on Sunday, April 18, 1965. No.2 and No.5 trains exchanged terminals in The Bronx while No. 2 and No. 3 trains exchanged terminals in Brooklyn. Prior to the changes No. 2 7th Avenue Express trains had run between Dyre Avenue and Flatbush Avenue from 6 AM to 8 PM, seven days a week. Trains ran between East 180th Street and Flatbush Avenue M-F 6 AM – 9 PM and S-S 6 AM to 12 midnight. Trains ran between East 241th Street and New Lots Avenue M-F 9 PM to 6 AM and S-S 12 midnight to 6 AM. No. 3 7th Avenue Express trains ran between 145th Street-Lenox Avenue and New Lots Avenue M-F 6 AM – 9 PM and S-S 6 AM to 12 midnight. The 145th Street Shuttle ran between 145th Street and 135th Street M-F from 9 PM to 1 AM. No. 5 Lexington Avenue Express ran on weekdays between East 241st Street and South Ferry (7-9 PM), Atlantic Avenue (9AM-4 PM) and Utica Avenue (6-9 AM, 4-7 PM). Weekend service ran between East 241th Street and South Ferry, Sat 8 AM to 12 midnight and Sunday 6 AM to 12 midnight. Early Saturday morning service ran to and from Utica Avenue or New Lots Avenue from 6 AM to 8 AM. No. 5 Lexington Avenue Thru-Express ran on weekdays during rush hours in the direction of traffic between East 241th Street and Utica Avenue. These trains ran express in The Bronx between Gun Hill Road and 3rd Avenue stopping only at East 180th Street. No. 9 Dyre Avenue Locals ran between Dyre Avenue and East 180th Street from 8 PM to 6 AM seven days a week. The Bowling Green Shuttle ran between Bowling Green and South Ferry (Inner Loop) M-F 6 AM to 7 PM and Saturday 6 AM – 8 AM. Nos. 1, 4 and 7 trains as well as the 3rd Avenue Local and the 42nd Street Shuttle were not affected by the changes. After the service changes were implemented the following was in effect. No. 2 trains would run between East 241th Street and New Lots Avenue at all times. No. 3 trains would run as before except that the Brooklyn terminal was now Flatbush Avenue. No. 5 Lexington Avenue Express trains would now terminate at Dyre Avenue from 6 AM to 8 PM seven days a week and at East 180th Street M-F 6 AM to 9 PM and S-S 6 AM to 12 midnight. Saturday morning service to Brooklyn was eliminated with all weekend trains running to South Ferry. No. 5 Lexington Avenue Thru-Express would continue to operate to East 241th Street and Utica Avenue although a few weeks later they would run as locals north of East 180th Street. No. 9 Dyre Avenue Locals would continue to operate but would now be designated as No. 5 trains. Bowling Green Shuttle Saturday morning service was replaced by through No. 5 trains. Some notes: The times that I have given are approximate. Sunday morning service actually began about 7-8 AM. Note that late service began at 9 PM on weekdays and 12 midnight on weekends. Sources: New York Division Bulletin / April 1965 World’s Fair Subway Map / 1964 and 1965 editions “Better Subway Service for Bronx IRT Riders” / NYCTA 1965 1978 – from The Book of First Runs Q-Type 1612C arrives at the Transit Museum at Court Street. The car is painted in the 1938 blue and orange scheme. 1612C along with sister 1602A are the last two BMT wooden el cars in the “Q” (for Queens) configuration. 1602A resides at the Trolley Museum of New York in Kingston. 1983 – from The Book of First Runs Port Jervis Line trains are re-routed from the former Erie Railroad Mainline to the Graham Branch between Harriman and Middletown, New York. New stations at Middletown and Harriman replaced the old stations on the mainline. New stations were opened at Salisbury Mills and Campbell Hall. The stations at Monroe, Chester and Goshen were closed. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 18 11:49:52 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Apr 18 10:56:56 2024. 41yo mistake made in Orange County. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Apr 18 13:23:40 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 18 11:49:52 2024. Chris. I ride the PJL fairly often. The Harriman Station seems to be well located. (Though another one at Woodbury Commons would generate a lot of traffic on the weekends). The Campbell Hall Station is in the middle of a cow pasture (literally). I've never been able to find it. Middletown Station is actually about two miles west of Middletown itself. But where else would you be able to put the parking lot? I like riding the Port Jervis Line. Even in the rush hours you can always get a seat and no one seems to be in a great hurry. This is in sharp contrast to the MN lines east of the Hudson. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 18 17:38:26 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 18 11:49:52 2024. Why did they even do it? Following NY 17 from Harriman to Middletown seems so much more sensible. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 18 19:33:01 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Apr 18 13:23:40 2024. But it eliminated service to Monroe, Chester and Goshen.I only live a few miles from the Chester station. If I wanna take a train now I gotta drive all the way to Woodbury. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Apr 19 07:27:05 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 18 19:33:01 2024. Was it Winston Churchill that said" You can't please all of thepeople all of the time, but you can displease some of the people just for shits and giggles?! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 19 10:27:23 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Apr 19 07:27:05 2024. YES,THATS HOW HE GOT THE NICKNAME "WINNIE THE POOH" |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 19 16:14:55 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 18 17:38:26 2024. I believe the original ROW was very winding and included slow street-running through Monroe. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 19 19:48:25 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 19 16:14:55 2024. Ah, thanks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 19 22:53:48 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 19 16:14:55 2024. Makes sense. The Graham Line was built as a straighter, flatter route for freight. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Apr 20 07:38:32 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 19 10:27:23 2024. Eggs actly wright! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 21 10:07:57 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 19 16:14:55 2024. Just like every other Erie line in NJ today. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 22 13:21:54 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 18, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Apr 19 16:14:55 2024. Not Monroe ... Goshen. Monroe has one bridge crossing over Mapes Place. Main Street was broken up by the tracks and didn't cross them. NY 208 had an overpass over the tracks, still in use.Goshen had several street crossings. Some of them are all in a parking lot now, while the others cross active roadways, such as NY 207. They were fairly close together, so I can imagine that an 8 car train stopping for passengers would block several streets at once. The route isn't very winding at all, at least that's my opinion. I do agree that this line would be so much more useful as a train line today, but it is now a great bike trail, extending from Harriman to Middletown (NY), but broken up by about 1/2 mile of street riding in ... Goshen. --Mark |
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