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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 09:37:11 2023 Mayor Buttface - Subchats favorite Transporation Secretary has an interesting thing to say.Buttigieg notes Ohio getting 'particularly high amount of attention,' while trains derail '1,000' times a year The Secretary of Transportation spoke about rail safety after East Palestine, Ohio train derailment disaster Free East Palestine! U.S. Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg emphasized to Yahoo! Finance Live the large number of train derailments in this country while the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, has gotten the most "attention." Buttigieg continues to face backlash after he was slow to discuss the train derailment causing toxic chemicals to pollute the East Palestine and the surrounding region. He finally addressed the disaster on Monday night, 10 days after the train crashed. Buttigieg was asked by Yahoo! Finance about what the Transportation Department is doing. "Look, rail safety is something that has evolved a lot over the years, but there's clearly more that needs to be done because while this horrible situation has gotten a particularly high amount of attention, there are roughly 1,000 cases a year of a train derailing," he said. ---- Yessir, we should be paying attention to the other 1000, because all derailments are equal. ----- He commented that this more salient example of a derailment happened despite major regulations already on the books. "Now this train was subject to certain enhanced requirements because of hazardous materials on board. But obviously, none of that prevented what happened in East Palestine," he said. "It's one of the reasons we're going to be paying very close attention to the findings that NTSB comes back with." ----- If regulations didn't prevent this, then all hope is obviously lost. Unless the NTSB can find someone to scapegoat. Then the gov't can be blameless and it is a win-win. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 17 11:36:35 2023, in response to Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 09:37:11 2023. If regulations didn't prevent this, then all hope is obviously lostPerhaps Congress could authorize appropriately more stringent regulations for hazardous traffic? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 17 11:50:37 2023, in response to Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 09:37:11 2023. "Unless the NTSB can find someone to scapegoat."Norfolk Southern RR will take a huge hit here. Unless they have very deep pockets, when the lawyers & homeowners get thru with them, it wouldn't surprise me if they file for Chapter 11 protection. Suddenly real estate values in the area have nosedived. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 17 14:15:29 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 17 11:50:37 2023. Because of media hype, not because of anything in the tank cars. Vinyl chloride breaks down in water into free H+ and Cl- ions and other substances regularly consumed by soil bacteria. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Feb 17 14:16:32 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 17 11:36:35 2023. More stringent regulations were blocked by massive RR industry lobbying which found friendly ears both in Congress and at DOT during Trump's term.I shocked, Ricky. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 16:19:21 2023, in response to Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 09:37:11 2023. I feel like Carnak, that I can guess word for word the replies to this nonsense, and how they are likely pulling in an Obama era talent of mind-reading and bending statements to make a moron not sound like one. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 17 16:23:46 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Feb 17 14:16:32 2023. Duh!The OP was blaming Buttigieg for the problem. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 17:18:52 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 17 14:15:29 2023. False. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 17 19:30:03 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Feb 17 14:15:29 2023. I live 35 miles from the derailment site. Media hype has little to do with the people who live there's reaction. They know what they see. They know what they smell. Media hype cannot account for the dead fish turning up in local streams or the dying chickens and puffy faced foxes.And media hype had nothing to do with the local politicos insisting on everyone drinking bottled water & it being supplied for free, since Roughly 10% of the area's population get their drinking water from the Ohio River. Bottom line, Its far from hype in these parts. Its very real. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Feb 18 08:37:31 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 17 19:30:03 2023. Jim: You're insights are interesting and informative. The problem with the media is that they have cried "wolf" far too often. So much so that when something serious does occur we tend to discount it. A subway delay of twenty minutes is not a "commuter nightmare". A "commuter nightmare" is when you train runs through an open bridge in Alabama and plunges into a swamp. A weather forecast of snow flurries somehow metastasizes into the Blizzard of 88. I don't know what happened to responsible journalism but I think that it went out the window with the VCR. Take care and be safe. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 18 08:58:17 2023, in response to Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 09:37:11 2023. This man has been an unmitigated disaster. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 09:02:22 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 17 11:50:37 2023. From (media) accounts I've heard, the crew ignored a (hot box) alert 20 miles before the derailment. If true, shouldn't the crew be seen as criminally negligent? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 09:06:27 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 18 08:58:17 2023. This incident has only further hilighted his record of incompetence and dithering. The biden administration has opted for checking boxes over qualifications in making personnel choices. We are paying the price. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 18 10:40:21 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Feb 18 08:37:31 2023. that's an unavoidable aspect of news all day all night always. noise, again, unavoidably creeps in. statistically speaking.always been like that. the statistical aspect of it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 11:17:09 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 18 08:58:17 2023. Yeah, that’s what Hannity and Tucker Carlson say |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 11:28:10 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 11:17:09 2023. Probably so. It's also what many Republicans say and think. More importantly the public at large and many democrats are openly questioning his abilities and dedication to the job. What I don't understand is why you are so fixated on two unimportant TV commentators when much of the nation echoes their feelings. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 11:38:03 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 11:28:10 2023. If you surround yourself with that bullshit, it’s easy to think that everybody believes it.Not everybody believes that this derailment is secretary Buttigieg’s fault, and that he’s been negligent. The buck stops with the governor of Ohio of whom Norfolk Southern was a large contributor to his campaign. So stop with the “everybody agrees with me” argument, because they don’t. Gov DeWine believes that Norfolk Southern can rectify this rather than asking the federal government for help. There’s your mess. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 11:43:57 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Feb 18 08:37:31 2023. I can recall Christe Todd Whitman saying how safe the air around Ground Zero was soon after the towers came down. Now that more people died from the cleanup and living/working in the surrounding area than in the actual attack itself, no wonder politicians and the media have lost the trust of thinking people. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 11:47:12 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 09:02:22 2023. If true, I'd say yes. IIRC the minute the head end crew received a hot box alert, they should have "dumped" the train's air & waited for instructions. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 11:49:33 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 11:38:03 2023. You seem to be so intent on defending pothole Pete that you are not seeing the real issue. We know that the derailment is likely the fault of Norfolk southern. We know that pothole Pete wasn't putting pennies on the tracks. But bear in mind that it is and was his anemic response to numerous crises over the last two years, this one included,that are at the root of the criticism. But the criticism is coming from Republicans, democrats and the general public. Feel free to defend him but you are yet to explain why you've singled out those two TV commentators. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 11:50:44 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 11:47:12 2023. Or walk the consist and look for an anomaly. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 18 12:09:05 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 11:38:03 2023. the guy, butt whatever, couldn't last five minutes with any of us in a discussion about railroading. bet anything the wimp doesn't know what a freeking fred is. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 12:09:39 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 11:49:33 2023. Because an intelligent conversation on the subject requires facts.The facts are pretty simple: the train derailed, Norfolk Southern is at fault. Governor DeWine of Ohio did not request federal assistance but is relying on Norfolk Southern to remedy this. Norfolk Southern was a large contributor to DeWine’s campaign. The federal government isn’t going to take over this crisis without request from the governor. Those are the facts and they’re not subject to debate. I always bring up FOX commentators, because their comments are strikingly similar to yours. It appears they are plagiarizing you. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 12:10:28 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 18 12:09:05 2023. Well, to be fair, nobody could last in a conversation with us about railroading |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 12:12:29 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 11:50:44 2023. Thats where a caboose would come in handy. One guy walking a 100 car train from the head end would take forever, depending on terrain (and snow depth). However if you have one guy walking from the rear end to meet the front end guy say half way, you'd have some answer in half the time possibly averting a disaster. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 12:17:28 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 12:09:39 2023. Probably hard for them to do since they do not monitor me nor do I listen to them. Of course, I've made that point here several time but whyntrybto confuse you with facts. Rant on. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 18 12:21:41 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 12:10:28 2023. that a hundred percent astounds me.that position, guy should be always dreaming of cars, trucks, trains, highways, tunnels and bridges. he should be obsessed with controlled movements of human created transportation devices. he should have been the best kid on the block with sim city. he should be running all sorts of train and highway vr world simulations with official real time government data. his wife (whatever) should always be smiling forgiving when he walks into the room with the guests wearing his helmet. he should love his realm. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 12:34:23 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 18 12:21:41 2023. That would be his husband, I believe but I digress. I would settle for a modicum of interest in the job. He seems to approach the job as an annoyance, interfering with a full time paid vacation. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Feb 18 12:39:55 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 11:43:57 2023. I can recall Christe Todd Whitman saying how safe the air around Ground Zero was soon after the towers came down. Now that more people died from the cleanup and living/working in the surrounding area than in the actual attack itself, no wonder politicians and the media have lost the trust of thinking people. Jim: My wife and I went back down to Ground Zero tens days after 9-11. We took the ferry from Hoboken to Pier 11 on the East River and then walked over. Even in Hoboken, tens days after the air was acrid. You didn't need to be an environmental engineer to know that it was not safe to breath. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 12:49:38 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Feb 18 12:39:55 2023. I too went there about a week later. I grabbed a #4 to Fulton St & walked a few blocks west until a cop stopped me from going any further. It was still on fire and a number of idiot tourists were taking selfies with the smoke & dust in the backround.Aside from that, on the way back to GCT, I could taste the grit in my mouth & feel it in my nose. This was from about a block away and for only about 15 minutes. Just to think of all those folks who worked there digging thru and pulling out corpses from the rubble day in and day out, its no wonder years down the line that they themselves became corpses. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:45:45 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 12:17:28 2023. When a governor of a state refuses help from the federal government, that would include the secretary of transportation. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:50:16 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 18 12:21:41 2023. I guess but I wonder which secretary of transportation, since the position was created, was a railroad expert |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:52:38 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 09:02:22 2023. https://reason.com/2023/02/17/ohio-train-derailment-is-another-excuse-for-mudslinging-and-conspiracy-theorizing/?amp“ A report this week from the NTSB said there was an overheated wheel bearing on the rail car that started the derailment. Wayside hot-box detectors—which use infrared sensors to detect when rail car components are overheating—are supposed to detect this sort of thing and flag rail crews about issues. "A hot-box detector in East Palestine notified the crew moments before the train derailed," noted train industry publication FreightWaves. "It's unclear if any hot-box detector prior to East Palestine notified crews." Around East Palestine, Norfolk Southern currently employs no signalmen who specialize in the maintenance of devices like hot-box detectors, according to FreightWaves. Christopher Hand, director of research at the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, told the publication that signalmen these days spent most of their time on government-mandated tests rather than routine maintenance.” |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 18 20:36:43 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:52:38 2023. Hmm. Shouldn't there be enough signalmen to do both routine maintenance and the government-sponsored tests? And if NS think some of the government sponsored tests are pointless, well that's what they pay lobbyists for. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 19 06:56:12 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 11:17:09 2023. Who? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 19 10:01:37 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:52:38 2023. Wayside hot-box detectorsJudging how fast this freight line was put back in service for rail traffic, it must be an important line. Just how many hot-box detectors are along is line and at what interval, a mile, 5 miles, 7.5 miles, 10 miles? |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Feb 19 11:17:57 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:50:16 2023. Correct. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 19 11:45:34 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 19 10:01:37 2023. Absolutely. It feeds into the huge Conway classification yard in Conway Pa. Its appx 15 miles NW of Pittsburgh |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Feb 19 15:19:11 2023, in response to Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Feb 17 09:37:11 2023.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 19 16:48:08 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 12:12:29 2023. YES! And more rigorous train inspections at each crew change point. I am waiting to see what NTSB says about the detectors west of the site. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 16:54:58 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:45:45 2023. You get so very defensive about any criticism of mayor pete. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 16:59:37 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 18 19:50:16 2023. Probably true but then mayor pete, AKA buttfudge, is not an expert on airlines, not an expert on supply chain issues, not even an expert on getting potholes filled. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 17:03:28 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Feb 19 15:19:11 2023. Coming from anyone but mayor pete, that would sound so authoritative. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 17:05:32 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 19 06:56:12 2023. Just Fred trying to deflect the slings and arrows from the ALS hero. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 17:08:26 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 16:54:58 2023. The Criticism is bullshit. Blame him or Biden for everything and then reverse engineer some reason why |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 17:09:02 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 16:59:37 2023. And? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 17:11:12 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 17:08:26 2023. We can dance all night, Fred. I'm not blaming him for this derailment. I'm blaming him for his incompetence |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 17:13:12 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 17:09:02 2023. And so.....What, therefore qualified him for the position hr now holds? What is his area of expertise? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 17:41:30 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 19 17:13:12 2023. As a former mayor, ceo experience. Other than that, same as any Sec of TranspSec Chao: no transp exper Sec Foxx: none Sec LaHoud: none Sec Mineta: none Sec Peters: AZ DOT director, FHWA head none prior Sec Slater: FHWA head none prior Sec Peña: none Sec Card: none Sec Skinner: none Sec Burnley: deputy under Sec Dole; prior nada Sec Dole: none So it’s pretty common that the secretary of transportation doesn’t have a lot of experience with transportation. Yet secretary Buttigieg get singled out. I wonder why that is. What is different in this case? 🤔🤔 |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 19 17:42:13 2023, in response to Re: Freight trains explode 1000 times each year?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 18 12:12:29 2023. I think that’s a pretty good idea |
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