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Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022



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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 18:25:01 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

Bump

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Sep 28 19:36:18 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 18:25:01 2022.

Thank you.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Sep 28 19:48:59 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

GOOD

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 28 20:38:41 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

The first thing they did was wage war on Chicago's streetcar system.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 28 22:57:01 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

Very nice.
Iím a little surprised it took until 1990 for them to have wheelchair accessible buses.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by W.B. on Thu Sep 29 03:10:56 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

One key moment in CTA's history was forgotten in this video: their 1952 acquisition of the lines of the Chicago Motor Coach Company (which was a sister to our own Fifth Avenue Coach and New York City Omnibus - all of which were owned by Omnibus Corp. of Chicago). This prefigured by two years Omnibus' unloading of both FACCo and NYCO - and the latter purchasing the former.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:30:22 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 28 20:38:41 2022.

Like most U.S. cities at that time.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:31:02 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by W.B. on Thu Sep 29 03:10:56 2022.

Good point. That should have been mentioned.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Mr RT on Thu Sep 29 09:33:54 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

That was Brief with a capital B :-)

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:38:33 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 28 22:57:01 2022.

Why? 1990 was around the time that most properties had accessible buses. I don't believe CTA was any later to game than any other systems.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:38:56 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Mr RT on Thu Sep 29 09:33:54 2022.

Very brief.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 29 11:54:21 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:38:33 2022.

Actually, AC Transit was much earlier. Similarly BART built elevators at all of its stations in the 70s.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 29 12:21:18 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 28 22:57:01 2022.

ADA was passed in 1990, which meant that systems had to start adding accessible vehicles. Some agencies just got started earlier

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 29 13:48:45 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 29 12:21:18 2022.

There was also the Rehabilitation Act. Thatís why systems built before 1990 like WMATA and BART were accessible ab initio.

I think that the NYCTA/MABSTOA first got accessible buses with the RTS in 1981. Not sure, though.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 29 14:35:10 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 29 13:48:45 2022.

Were the Grummans accessible? (Don't know as I never rode them in NYC)

SCRTD started out in 1978 with the crappy AM Generals. Those lifts rarely worked and they were officially de-classified as accessible in the mid-80s. Same thing with their 1980 Grummans. First more-or-less reliable SCRTD accessibles were the 1981 RTS-04 (in service 12/9/80), and everything thereafter.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 19:00:34 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 29 13:48:45 2022.

Iím sure youíre right about the Ď81 RTS. Thatís why Iím surprised it took them 9 more years to have one. I never gave it a thought until I watched the video so maybe itís not too surprising after all.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 19:03:11 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:38:33 2022.

Like I said elsewhere the NYCTA had them be going in 1981. By 1990 a good deal of the fleet had them. At least a batch came in almost every year beginning in Ď81.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 19:47:41 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 19:00:34 2022.

I hated those RTSs.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 20:05:35 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 19:47:41 2022.

Ha
I assume CTA had purchased RTS with plug doors in the 80s.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 29 20:18:18 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 09:30:22 2022.

Just as the Green Hornets were being delivered, too. I still lament the fact that I'm too young to remember them. I was all of a year and a half old when 7213 made the last run on June 21, 1958.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 29 21:20:02 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 20:05:35 2022.

I loathe 2 and 1 seating.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 23:35:32 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 19:47:41 2022.

Ha
I assume CTA had purchased RTS with plug doors in the 80s.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 23:48:26 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 29 21:20:02 2022.

Why is that?

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 30 08:20:03 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 29 21:20:02 2022.

Very uncomfortable.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 30 13:27:43 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 28 22:57:01 2022.

And I'm disappointed but not surprised an event that occurred on November, 9, 1997 was not mentioned.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 30 14:27:00 2022, in response to Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 28 13:21:57 2022.

Chicago Transit Authority was also the name of the debut album by the group Chicago in 1968.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 30 19:16:05 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 29 14:35:10 2022.

The same RTS the MTA decided to purchase, because of the modified rear end cap.
The MTA told GMC that they would purchase the model if they made modifications to the air-conditioning units.

The RTS 04 were okay, but the 06 was much better.

It's a shame that the 08 WFD were never purchased by either systems like CTA did..

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by boliqua2 on Fri Sep 30 19:33:49 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 29 14:35:10 2022.

Some of the Grummans were accessiable but not all

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 09:17:46 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 30 13:27:43 2022.

What happened that day

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 09:18:09 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 30 14:27:00 2022.

Recorded and released in 1969.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 09:19:20 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 30 08:20:03 2022.

If I sat Iíd try to grab that seat in front of the rear door. I really rather sit over the engine though.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 1 11:33:11 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 09:18:09 2022.

I think CTA was officially the name of the group at first, then the asshole Mayor Daley objected, and they shortened it to just Chicago.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 12:04:08 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 1 11:33:11 2022.

Basically they were threatened with a lawsuit.
Before CTA they had thought of calling themselves The Big Thing. They thought better of that obviously.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 1 12:08:06 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 1 11:33:11 2022.

Lol, asshole Daley.

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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 1 12:09:11 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 09:17:46 2022.

System wide OPTO commensed.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 1 13:09:11 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Sep 29 21:20:02 2022.

Many PCCs were 2 and 1 from front to mid point doors

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 13:12:20 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 1 12:09:11 2022.

They should have put that in

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 1 13:19:36 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 1 13:12:20 2022.

For historical accuracy, one should remember that the Evanston-Howard shuttles were OPTO from the delivery opf cars 1-50 cars in the late 50s.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 1 13:24:08 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 1 13:09:11 2022.

Not in Chicago. But regardless. They are uncomfortable.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 1 16:01:00 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 1 11:33:11 2022.

IINM CTA later relented and said they could call themselves that if they wanted to. By then, Chicago said thanks but no thanks.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 1 16:04:50 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 1 12:09:11 2022.

IIRC they still used conductors in the Dearborn and State St. subways for another year or thereabouts.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by WayneJay on Sat Oct 1 17:07:04 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 29 14:35:10 2022.

Were the Grummans accessible? (Don't know as I never rode them in NYC)

The last 200 of the 837-bus order were lift-equipped. Those were the buses that were delivered to the TA after the A-frame retrofit project. They were TA 453-552, and OA 811-910.


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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 1 20:13:40 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by WayneJay on Sat Oct 1 17:07:04 2022.

OK. I think I never saw them, as I was not in NYC between August 1981 and June 1987.

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 2 00:15:28 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by WayneJay on Sat Oct 1 17:07:04 2022.

Theyíre 1980 buses?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 2 00:47:55 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Oct 1 12:09:11 2022.

I visited Chicago back when that started. Looked haphazard and dangerous to me. Didn't like it.

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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Oct 2 20:29:00 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Oct 1 20:13:40 2022.

Yup, you probably missed them. I would guess you also missed the Grummans that went to the DOT privates??? These were an add-on to the NYCTA 837-bus order for a total of 1051 buses.

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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Oct 2 20:32:17 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Oct 2 00:15:28 2022.

I don't know if the entire order were considered '80 buses, but these almost certainly would have been built in 1981.

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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Oct 2 20:39:50 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 29 20:05:35 2022.

Like many CTA buses their RTS also were a bit unique. They were designated the 08 series which were 96 inches wide, and the major difference being wider front entrance (flat flatter face). I think it was because CTA wanted the wheelchair lift in the front door. The option/model later became known as the RTS WFD.

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Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Oct 2 23:44:12 2022, in response to Re: Brief History of Chicago Transit Authority, posted by WayneJay on Sun Oct 2 20:29:00 2022.

I think I saw a Grumman at Jamaica Bus Lines during a June 1994 visit (this was after LACMTA had gotten rid of the 1980 Grummans ordered by SCRTD, also the first generation Grummans ordered by Santa Monica Municipal Bus Lines and Orange County Transit District/Authority were gone (I think Santa Monica had a few 1981 Metros on hand)

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