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Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 12 21:31:41 2022, in response to Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 12 21:12:10 2022. You forgot R40's (both slants and modifieds) as well as some R42's for a short amount of time. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Jul 12 21:54:51 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 12 21:31:41 2022. I don't think R32s ran there. There was still a split between former IND and BMT trainsets, with only the combined routes having combined trains originally. R9s and R32s on the AA, B and D, R27 on the QJ and RR. R38s and R40s went to the QB routes, R42 went to all the routes, then the R44 went to all the express routes, D, E, F, N. I remember the carpeted train on the D. And with all these new cars coming, the eastern division got the hand-me-downs of the R9s, with a few R42s thrown in.The best way to find out is to go to NYCSubway.org and filter the pictures by year. You can then see where the cars were assigned. |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Jul 12 21:57:25 2022, in response to Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 12 21:12:10 2022. September, 1964:  May, 1969:  March, 1970:  May, 1970:  March, 1978: 
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 12 22:34:12 2022, in response to Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 12 21:12:10 2022. The R-10's began appearing on the IND QBL, with them on the "GG" beginning in November 1977, and staying there until March or April 1985.   And then when 1980 came, the R-10's were sent onto to the "E" and "F", in place of the R-46's due to the Rockwell fiscao. There were reports that they also showed up on the "N" too. As a matter of fact, the R-10's were suddenly all over the IND-BMT Division, including on the "A"!    -William A. Padron ["B'klyn-Queens Lcl."] |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jul 12 22:44:15 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 12 22:34:12 2022. 👍🏼 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 12 23:21:21 2022, in response to Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 12 21:12:10 2022. I remember them being 32s, 38s, 42s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 00:04:48 2022, in response to Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 12 21:12:10 2022. The early 70s had R1/9,R16,R32,R38s,40/40m,42,and 44s.1975 the 46s came in,and booted the R1/9s ,the 16(for the most parts)the R40/40m,the 38s,and most 32s. The F,E and the N used most of the R46 cars,while the GG came up short with the reassigned R10s from the A,along with some R40 cars that lacked proper roll signs. The GG also used some 32s from the N line at times. Basically, whatever was available for service was used on any line,especially when the 46s began having troubles. Cars were taken out of mothballs(16s) to be placed in service wherever needed. All 32s were removed from CC service and placed in Jamaica yard for use,while R10s were subed for rush hour CCs. R40s and 44s were in A service ,with 32/40/40m and some 46s were in D service for awhile. R44 cars were sent to Queens to fill in the car shortage. The E began using 32s mostly full time, while the F used 46s that were still road worthy. You could find anything every where. The 38s were basically assigned to the B line at this point, where they would be intermingled with the 8th Avenue routes, then replaced with the R40s from the A. The MTA was working overtime to send rolling stock wherever they could so trains were moving. The Eastern Division suffered from old equipment having more problems than it was worth. R27/30s on the J were replaced with R16s,the M operated whatever Coney Island had to offer,and the LL ran 16/27/30s for most parts. The 42s were mostly on the D line,but were found wherever needed. The 70s were full of problems, because of the shortsighted actions of MTA management. Incompetent people were positions they shouldn't have been in. Old equipment lived beyond its time,and breakdowns were the norm. Lack of proper maintenance cause a major meltdown, that resulted in nearly half of the cars need for rush hour were unable to make service. Queens Blvd managed to deal with the issue because of its large fleet of cars,and it's priority lines. The E,F were all good. The A managed. The rest of B division dealt with the shortage the best way they could. They cut service waiting times were increased,some lines were eliminated or replaced. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 13 02:47:45 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by gbs on Tue Jul 12 21:57:25 2022. The OP means QB as in Queens Blvd IND not the BMT service that used those letters. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 13 02:50:54 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 00:04:48 2022. Eliminated lines included the EE which was replaced by the N in Qns and the K which was eliminated entirely with 57/6 being served by alternate rush hour Bs. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 13 06:40:30 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by gbs on Tue Jul 12 21:57:25 2022. That's what I thought of too when I saw "the QB line". |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 13 08:34:31 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 13 02:47:45 2022. He maybe should have just typed out Queens Blvd, since there was a line called QB. When I first saw the subject header, I thought he was referring to the BMT QB until I looked at the posts. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 13 09:18:01 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 13 06:40:30 2022. In the text of the post he mentions "QB IND line". Thats the giveaway that he was talking about the Queens Blvd line. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 13 09:42:19 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Tue Jul 12 21:54:51 2022. When the R42s were introduced they were spread across multiple lines since they were the first entire fleet of cars to have air conditioning as delivered from the factory. Only half the R40s came with it as the rest were retrofitted during GOH years later. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 13 09:55:09 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 00:04:48 2022. The 1970s and early 1980s were not fun times to be riding the subway. There were a lot of worn out life expired cars and except for the Flushing line the IRT would couple anything that ran to make up a train. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Jul 13 10:45:49 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 13 09:42:19 2022. On a hot day, especially at some of the hottest stations like W 4th St, you would look down the roofline of the train so you could spot the air conditioned cars. The non-AC cars had vents along the side of the roof and the AC cars just had a little indent. This was true of the R38 and the R40. The R42 didn't have the indent as these were all AC as you say. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 10:52:55 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 12 21:31:41 2022. I have zero recollection of ever riding a slant on the QB line. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Jul 13 12:41:09 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 10:52:55 2022. I believe they went to the E and F first actually. The first time I saw them I was at Coney Island having Nathans and I saw it come in on the F. It was pretty hard to miss! |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 15:38:14 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Wed Jul 13 12:41:09 2022. Must have been before my time. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 16:41:41 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 13 08:34:31 2022. So did I,but assumed he meant QUEENS BLVD SUBWAY. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 13 16:59:38 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 15:38:14 2022. Yep, definitely in the 70s. I left NYC in August 1976, so I don't know when they may have left Jamaica Yard. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 17:07:16 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 10:52:55 2022. The R40s broke in on the Queens Blvd line.Placed directly on the E and F,pushing out the R1/9 to the Eastern Division for M/JJ/LL services. At this time,some R38s were sent south to Coney Island for N service. The 40s were joined by the 40ms,which had been modified to remove the slope bonnets,match the upcoming redesigned R42 cars. They were also sloped cars,in early planning stage,that were modified to the flat ends. The R40/40m were the mainstays of the Queens routes, until the late 70s,when they were mostly removed to replace the R10s operating in A services. Some cars were spread around the system to supplement other lines,such as the GG/AA/B and CC lines. They eventually were placed in Southern Division service,covering B/D/Q/N routes. After returning from GOH,the cars were placed directly into B service, where they stayed a number of years. The cars eventually found their way back to the IND proper,ending their service life on the A line. To me,the R40s were the best thing since sliced bread for the subway system. They were fast,quick to respond..even as they aged. The "tune down" that ripped the speed right out of the fleet after the Williamsburg Bridge incident affected them,but not as drastic as other models. You missed something special. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 17:17:27 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 10:52:55 2022. The R40s broke in on the Queens Blvd line.Placed directly on the E and F,pushing out the R1/9 to the Eastern Division for M/JJ/LL services. At this time,some R38s were sent south to Coney Island for N service. The 40s were joined by the 40ms,which had been modified to remove the slope bonnets,match the upcoming redesigned R42 cars. They were also sloped cars,in early planning stage,that were modified to the flat ends. The R40/40m were the mainstays of the Queens routes, until the late 70s,when they were mostly removed to replace the R10s operating in A services. Some cars were spread around the system to supplement other lines,such as the GG/AA/B and CC lines. They eventually were placed in Southern Division service,covering B/D/Q/N routes. After returning from GOH,the cars were placed directly into B service, where they stayed a number of years. They even sent a group of them to the Eastern Division, for L and M services, with a few running around on the J to make service when needed. The 40m,however, were a mainstay of J service, with cars mixed in with 42s. All R40 cars were moved to the South,when the R143s arrived. The MTA removed the 32s from C service, and replaced them with surplus 40s and 42s Riders complained about the stopping markers along the line,since only 8 car trains were used..and they had to run to meet the train at some stops. The trains were moved to the A,32s were returned, and 42s were sent to Queens. The cars eventually found their way back to the IND proper,ending their service life on the A line. To me,the R40s were the best thing since sliced bread for the subway system. They were fast,quick to respond..even as they aged. The "tune down" that ripped the speed right out of the fleet after the Williamsburg Bridge incident affected them,but not as drastic as other models. You missed something special. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 18:31:17 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 17:07:16 2022. I did ride some R-40s later on, on other lines. Best RFW ever built. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 18:51:08 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 17:07:16 2022. I did ride some R-40s later on, on other lines. Best RFW ever built. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 18:57:04 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 13 16:59:38 2022. The slants debuted on the Ethel and Fred lines. I remember when they were new. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 18:58:15 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 17:07:16 2022. The slants were a worthy successor to the R-10s on the Abbott. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 19:00:59 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Jul 12 22:34:12 2022. And if you got a good set of motors on the Fred, you were in for a rocket ride out to 179th St. on the Hillside Ave. express stretch. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 19:01:41 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 00:04:48 2022. The Three Stooges Division has always been a victim of soicumstance.:) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 20:45:13 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 18:58:15 2022. Absolutely. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 20:49:24 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 19:01:41 2022. You said it.Junk after junk. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 13 20:56:51 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 13 09:18:01 2022. Yes, I know. I'm saying I thought otherwise when I saw just the thread title, before reading the post. In fact, the letters "QB" used to make me think of that line even when I saw them totally out of context, like on the back page (sports headline page) of the N.Y. Post, where they actually referred to a quarterback.BTW, wasn't there ever a yellow bullet for the QB? Trunk line-based colors were adopted in 1979, and double letters weren't eliminated until 1986, so there should have been. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 13 21:07:08 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Wed Jul 13 12:41:09 2022. Yup. I saw a "slant" for the fist time on the F line in the spring of 1968, at Lexington Ave./53rd St. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Jul 13 21:38:03 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 13 20:56:51 2022. wasn't there ever a yellow bullet for the QB? Yes. My 1979 TA map shows three services for the Brighton Line: Orange circle D (Brighton express weekdays, local other times) Brown circle M (Brighton local, weekdays) Yellow diamond QB (Brighton local, AM rush to 57 St, PM rush to CI) I can't find any photos showing any equipment actually displaying the yellow diamond QB. I wonder what they did with the QB trains that terminated at 57 St in the morning. They couldn't store them there until the evening rush. |
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Posted by caine515 on Wed Jul 13 21:43:45 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 20:49:24 2022. I lived along the brighton line from 1978-2017. The bulk of what ran was this:"D": R32,R42,R44(short time). "M": R30,R32,R42. "QB": R30,R42(half the time the signs didnt work) |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Jul 13 21:58:30 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 13 18:57:04 2022. They did indeed. March, 1968: F line  November, 1969: E line  They arrived with only 4 route signs: E, F, S, and blank, so on weekends they were used as 4-car GG trains out of Jamaica yard, displaying blank signs. When they were used on other lines they also showed blanks or S or worse: EE line:  GG line:  D line:   N line:  Broadway BMT:  Rockaway: 
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 23:31:19 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by gbs on Wed Jul 13 21:38:03 2022. Actually, in some cases, they ran through to Astoria, did one trip as a RR and dropped out,so the cars would be in place for the evening rush.Some train parked at City Hall lower. The QB didn't run many trains, as it only used six trains during the "hour" it operated. I always thought such a service was useless. However it would would all work out when the Q operating hours was increased to all day service. |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Jul 14 04:13:10 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 23:31:19 2022. It provided a one-seat ride up Broadway for Brighton passengers, which was lost post-Chrystie. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 09:49:09 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by gbs on Wed Jul 13 21:58:30 2022. These pics show the brilliance and forward thinking of the MTA at the time. Beyond the first few where they are on the E/F, there were no signs for other lines. Did they think those cars would remain on those lines indefinitely, especially after Chrystie St? |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 10:03:31 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by gbs on Thu Jul 14 04:13:10 2022. I used to ride the QB all the time to school. They were on a schedule you could even depend on. Coming home though they weren't running yet but while I remember going to Union Sq to get the train, I don't remember changing at Dekalb. Back then, the N and B would stop at Dekalb in non-rush hours but still run express on 4th Ave. They seem to have completely ended that practice. If it stops at Dekalb it runs local on 4th Ave, even re-routes. When I went through with a RFW once I saw why, there's a wheel detector on that switch for 5mph I believe.Maybe somebody who knows more can explain it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 14 10:05:31 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 09:49:09 2022. How many route permuatiations were there at the time for the E when it ran to Brooklyn ? The side signs had to account for all that.They at least could have put GG on the route signs. Even with the R38 of 1966, there was no recognition of the late 1967 changes on the route signs. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 10:07:25 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by caine515 on Wed Jul 13 21:43:45 2022. Yea, that's how I remember it too. There were a number of sets of R44 that were assigned that had proper signs, including the carpeted one. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 13:30:24 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 14 10:05:31 2022. The large signs were innovative at the time of conception.However, the rollsign supports rack was far too tight for larger signs. This is why when the 42 cars came in, they were equipped with signs for the district they were assigned to. Mixed sets usually kept the signage blank. Later,the MTA replaced the housings of the rollsigns,and reduced the size of the bullets. The R40/42/44/46 all had rollsigns replaced due to problem. Today,you will even see Eastern Division routes on R46 and 68 cars. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jul 14 14:11:13 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 20:45:13 2022. Although i did like them after goh,I did not like the smaller windows on the side doors since the front and rear doors maintained the large window look |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 14:37:16 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 13 18:51:08 2022. For me it was thr Best RFW ever.First one I could look out of without issues. If the front end bonnet was less severe,it would have made an even better railcar, safety wise. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 19:34:33 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 13:30:24 2022. Innovative and problematic. Didn't anybody say "but we have about 30 different routes at the moment?" |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 14 19:45:50 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 19:34:33 2022. Interesting they chose S over GG. They were far more apt to be placed in weekend GG service than Aqueduct service. Assuming there were some laying about Jamaica Yard, they could have used laid up R27's from RR service for the weekend GG if they wanted to, but never did. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 20:06:03 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 19:34:33 2022. Of course they did, but the R40s were directly tied to the new routes program. Only the E and F lines were important.The E was going to be branched out to the Jewel Avenue subway and 179t st.. F trains to Springfield Blvd via super express line. The delays changed the plans,and the R44s going design replaced them. Bottom line..the R40 were supposed to be a permanent addition to the QB fleet,but were met with "where do we put these shiny new 75ft subway cars, since the Original placement for them went belly up "? It is what it is. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 20:06:05 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by zac on Thu Jul 14 19:34:33 2022. Of course they did, but the R40s were directly tied to the new routes program. Only the E and F lines were important.The E was going to be branched out to the Jewel Avenue subway and 179t st.. F trains to Springfield Blvd via super express line. The delays changed the plans,and the R44s going design replaced them. Bottom line..the R40 were supposed to be a permanent addition to the QB fleet,but were met with "where do we put these shiny new 75ft subway cars, since the Original placement for them went belly up "? It is what it is. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 15 23:31:05 2022, in response to Re: Which Subway Cars Ran on the QB Line in the 1970’s?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 13 23:31:19 2022. The post Chrystie version of the QB was created in response to Brighton Line passengers who were upset over losing direct Bway service post Chrystie. Originally all the QBs terminated at 57 St and ran light back to CI Yd unless there was a delay in one of the other Bway services in which case they could be used as needed N/B in the PM trains put in from CIYD ran light to Dekalb where they went in service to 57 St for S/B service. Over the years ridership on the Astoria line increased but there were not enough cars for a service increase. It was discovered that if the first 2 QBs were sent through to Astoria they would be in place at the right time to provide the increased RR service when it was needed. One of the returning QB to RR conversions terminated at Canal St where it laid up and the other went through to 95 St where it laid up. In the PM, the pattern was pretty much reversed and the RR trains that were the first 2 Astoria layups were in place so they could return S/B as the last 2 PM QBs. |
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