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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Elkeeper* on Sun Jun 19 17:18:47 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 19 09:33:23 2022.* Or, as the Italians used to call it, "The Jamaica Elevator".
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by zac* on Sun Jun 19 17:22:42 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 19 11:15:13 2022.* No, definitely not. I've been by there many times, most recently last week. That house isn't the worst either. There is one two blocks down Clarendon that looks uninhabitable and is bricked up on one side, while the other still has people living in it.
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Re: Question About the “L” BMT line
Posted by randyo* on Sun Jun 19 17:31:02 2022, in response to Re: Question About the “L” BMT line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 18 06:20:32 2022.* That may be the case. One of the M/M who broke me in mentioned that although the terminal was Montrose, the tower was at Morgan.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by randyo* on Sun Jun 19 17:41:50 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by The Silence on Sat Jun 18 20:45:59 2022.* The tower at Myrtle/Wyckoff wan’t intended for any connection. It was the tower left over from when the original stub end Wyckoff Ave terminal was across Palmetto St from its present location.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by randyo* on Sun Jun 19 17:48:03 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jun 19 14:12:29 2022.* That is one of the reasons why the Pitkin Ave subway was not built past Euclid (or 76 St for those who believe). A serious wayer condition is believed to be the reason construction was not continued past wherever it ended. That high water table extends all the way from Ozone Pk to Sheepshead Bay.
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Mysterious 5 Ave / 59 Street Passageway
Posted by R46 5636* on Sun Jun 19 18:11:31 2022, in response to Re: Mysterious Canarsie Platform - Possible Answer (Ventilation Room), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 19 06:51:27 2022.* This doesn't explain the passageway itself, which seems to continue straight under Central Park aligned where 60 Street would continue had that not been parkland. The passageway splits off from the SB track just before reaching the platform heading west. It seems to be a provision or an unused passageway to another exit, except mysteriously at platform level. The structural provision at Lexington & 59th I believe is that door above the Queens-bound Track roughly under where the IRT tunnels cross over, which leads to a room with about 15 feet of space, which was to be used had the BMT built the Lexington Line. ^ This information may be totally wrong, although I recall reading this years ago and have absolutely noticed that door. I had not previously known about the original planned 59/60 Street alignment. Very interesting to learn.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jun 19 20:34:12 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jun 19 14:12:29 2022.* The tunnel between Ralf and Rockaway has special construction. The tunnel is actually floating. The water table is very high here,so the line was built in a sort of Bathtub feature to keep it dry. The Utica avenue line from Fulton st to Empire Blvd would have been built this way due the very same situation. Which brings me to the point why was All Utica avenue subway construction stopped cold after the street was torn up along that street during the early 30s. They Only managed to start on two blocks before the project was halted. If you are wondering where this information came from..it was told to me by my father and his friend who happened to witness the work.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jun 19 20:36:44 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by randyo on Sun Jun 19 17:41:50 2022.* There are pictures that show the line's other alignment through the area. The Ridgewood bus terminal has a perfect example of that on exhibit.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by zac* on Sun Jun 19 20:53:56 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by randyo on Sun Jun 19 17:48:03 2022.* It extends everywhere around Jamaica Bay. The interesting thing is that it extends all the way to FLATLANDS! Why do you think they called it that?
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by TUNNELRAT* on Sun Jun 19 21:25:59 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 19 20:34:12 2022.* and the tunnel extended froma px. atlantic ave SOUTH,right?
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Italianstallion* on Sun Jun 19 21:29:20 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 05:22:15 2022.* Same reason, I guess, that the 7 was not connected to the Lex or the 7th Ave. line.
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Re: Mysterious Canarsie Platform - Possible Answer (Ventilation Room)
Posted by gbs* on Sun Jun 19 21:29:40 2022, in response to Mysterious Canarsie Platform - Possible Answer (Ventilation Room), posted by R46 5636 on Sat Jun 18 17:08:38 2022.* Reminds me of that mysterious long passageway just before 5/59th going SB on platform level I've always suspected that that long passageway is directly under the long pedestrian hallway from the mezzanine all the way under 5 Av to the exit along Central Park near 61 St.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jun 19 21:32:25 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jun 19 17:18:47 2022. That’s is true! My family used to say that (regarding the Astoria el).
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jun 19 22:04:31 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 19 21:25:59 2022.* South it is.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jun 19 22:11:34 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 19 09:33:23 2022.* And? I came up along the BROADWAY BROOKLYN ELEVATED. It will Always be the BROADWAY BROOKLYN elevated.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jun 19 22:14:35 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by AlM on Sun Jun 19 05:22:15 2022.* Well,they did that anyway to put several subway tunnels there.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by AlM* on Mon Jun 20 01:11:20 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 19 22:14:35 2022.* Only the NRQW is under Union Square. The L and 4/5/6 are not. They are under streets.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by TUNNELRAT* on Mon Jun 20 09:30:21 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 19 22:11:34 2022.* OOOHHHHHHHHHH GOOOOOOOOOODIE,YOU SAY POTATOES,I SAY FRENCH FRIES
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 20 10:34:08 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 19 14:33:28 2022. I LIVED AT GLASSBORO AVE-N- INWOOD ST,RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM POP.WHAT WAS HIS LAST NAME,WE MIGHT KNOW ONE ANOTHER.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Jun 20 14:06:02 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 19 09:33:23 2022.* I remember when the DMV was on Sutphin Boulevard - it was horrible. That building is now gone, and the Civil Court building stands in its place.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Jun 20 14:06:03 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 19 09:33:23 2022.* I remember when the DMV was on Sutphin Boulevard - it was horrible. That building is now gone, and the Civil Court building stands in its place.
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Re: Mysterious Canarsie Platform - Possible Answer (Ventilation Room)
Posted by K. Trout* on Mon Jun 20 17:27:05 2022, in response to Re: Mysterious Canarsie Platform - Possible Answer (Ventilation Room), posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jun 18 22:38:53 2022.* I have always assumed it was for a closed exit on the east side of 5th Avenue, north of 60th St, corresponding to the exit on the west side. The explanation of the original split tunnel layout makes more sense, presumably it would have been a pedestrian tunnel connecting the two directions.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jun 20 17:48:40 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 20 10:34:08 2022. well, the time frame is the 30's.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by zac* on Mon Jun 20 19:40:12 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jun 20 14:06:03 2022.* The DMV is horrible everywhere, in every state. I was dumbfounded when I moved to Washington state and the DMV may as well have been in Brooklyn.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 20 19:51:00 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 19 09:33:23 2022. And today it's the Howard Brother's el.:)
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by AlM* on Mon Jun 20 20:23:45 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by zac on Mon Jun 20 19:40:12 2022.* LOL. I moved to WA in 1976. I found out that before getting my car (an old clunker) registered, I had to get it inspected by the state police. Oh crap, let's make sure everything works. Blinkers, brake lights, etc. And then it turned out they just wanted to check the VID to make sure it wasn't a stolen car. :)
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 20 20:24:46 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jun 19 21:32:25 2022. I learned that one from an Italian neighbor of my great-aunt. They lived on Marginal St East, a former one block section of New Jersey Ave.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Elkeeper* on Mon Jun 20 20:30:11 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by ntrainride on Mon Jun 20 17:48:40 2022.* Well, the 30's do fit into Tunnelrat' time frame!
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 20 20:38:57 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Italianstallion on Sat Jun 18 23:09:27 2022. The 14th St line had been intended to be a crosstown line to intersect subway and elevated lines. In 1926, the city decided to extend the line from 6th to 8th Ave, for transfers to the 8th Ave subway being built.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Joe V* on Mon Jun 20 20:43:33 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 20 20:38:57 2022.* Why the extension almost to 9th Avenue ? Did they have NJ in mind ?
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by randyo* on Mon Jun 20 21:27:28 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 20 09:30:21 2022.* How about what they’re called in Ireland and England, “chips."
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Re: Mysterious 5 Ave / 59 Street Passageway
Posted by Express Rider* on Mon Jun 20 23:58:07 2022, in response to Mysterious 5 Ave / 59 Street Passageway, posted by R46 5636 on Sun Jun 19 18:11:31 2022.* re: The structural provision at Lexington & 59th I believe is that door above the Queens-bound Track roughly under where the IRT tunnels cross over, which leads to a room with about 15 feet of space, which was to be used had the BMT built the Lexington Line. see David Rogoff's 1965 B Type fantrip brochure for further discussion oc this..
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by K. Trout* on Tue Jun 21 15:33:48 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 20 20:38:57 2022.* Pre-IND, why did it only go to 6th Ave, not all the way to 9th Ave for the el?
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by Elkeeper* on Tue Jun 21 17:11:39 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by K. Trout on Tue Jun 21 15:33:48 2022.* The decision to extend the 14th St line from 6th to 8th Ave was initiated by the City. IND subway construction had begun in 1925. They wanted a transfer point with the IND 14th St & 8th Ave station, when the line opened in 1932. Moving the BMT platform farther west might have benefited the 9th Ave el, which the City considered an obsolete, competing elevated line.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by murray1575* on Tue Jun 21 22:36:30 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 21 17:11:39 2022.* I think you are right in that the city planned to tear down almost all the old elevated lines once it completed the purchase of the IRT and BMT which finally happened in 1940. Two sections of the elevated lines which remained in service after 1956 were the Culver line which was through connected to the IND subway at Church & McDonald (formerly Gravesend) Avenues and the Queens section of the Fulton St. line which was connected to the A line at Grant Ave. both of which were built during the Dual Contracts era to support the operation of steel subway cars. Unification eliminated the need for the city to recapture these lines and the work would have been done sooner if a world war had not taken place in the 1940s especially in the case of the Culver line where the steel work had already been at least partially completed. The only other exception was the final remnant of the 9th Ave. line which operated as a shuttle between 8th Ave. - 155th St. and 167th St. on the Jerome Ave. line beginning in June 1940 and was discontinued in August 1958.
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Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line)
Posted by K. Trout* on Thu Jun 23 16:22:45 2022, in response to Re: Another Subway Mystery Curio (Re: Question About the “L” BMT line), posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 21 17:11:39 2022.* That's a good point about the IND not wanting their extension to reach 9th avenue. Just seems odd that it wasn't done when the 14th St line was first constructed under the Dual Contracts, even though the 9th Av el was upgraded during that time.
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