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42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 14:23:45 2022

A new entrance to the shuttle has opened at W43rd St & Broadway. I have only seen in from inside the station so far but it is a wide staircase from the street to a lot of turnstiles.

One thing was lost because of this new entrance - the long revered view of the 7th Av tracks from the north end of the platform. The new entrance is in front of it and completely blocks the view. At present there are blue construction walls blocking so you can't see where track 4 is. I don't know if that will be left open (so you can see the old platform or they will put a door there.

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 15 14:37:14 2022, in response to 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 14:23:45 2022.

Was there originally an entrance on the southeast corner of B'way & 43rd St ?

Which corner is the new entrance on ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 15:32:10 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 15 14:37:14 2022.

As I said - I haven't seen it from the street yet but I think it is just south of the original entrance/exit (which was from track 4) which was at the northwest side of Broadway at 43rd St. I think the new entrance is near the old one but extends into the pedestrian mall (on Broadway between 43rd and 42nd Sts) created in the Bloomberg administration.

I will try to get back there this week (if someone else gets there first please advise).



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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 15:34:16 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 15 14:37:14 2022.

Was there originally an entrance on the southeast corner of B'way & 43rd St ?

No, it was on the southwest corner...





Which corner is the new entrance on ?

It should be on the northside of 42nd Street on top where Broadway used to cut through. The mezzanine would be large enough to handle those crowds, including during New Year's Eve.

-William A. Padron
["Shuttle"]


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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 15 15:41:00 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 15:34:16 2022.

Thanks William, I meant to say southwest corner.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 15:50:18 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 15:34:16 2022.

Northwest or southwest - it depends n where you are standing. If you are on the north side of 43rd St then the entrance is on the SW side. If you are looking north from 42nd then it is on the NW side.

William, thanks

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by andy on Tue Mar 15 16:23:51 2022, in response to 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 14:23:45 2022.

This new entrance is maybe 20 feet from the old one it replaced, but the stairs go straight down in a south direction. I too will miss the view of the IRT uptown trains. I hope it's restored, but doesn't look like it will happen.

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 17:58:48 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by andy on Tue Mar 15 16:23:51 2022.

I hope it's restored, but doesn't look like it will happen.

No, there are new walls surrounding the mezzanine, so you will not see trains there as before from the shuttle platform. As so it goes...

-William A. Padron
["43 Street"]


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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 15 20:27:46 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by andy on Tue Mar 15 16:23:51 2022.

Doesn't track 4 still have to connect to the uptown local track? That's its only connection to anything else. So what would stop someone from looking down that trackway?

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 20:53:16 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 15 20:27:46 2022.

Doesn't track 4 still have to connect to the uptown local track?

From the shuttle platform, you could look down at the west end of Track 4, but seeing just the curve of the track that will lead into the uptown local track of the #1.

Or, ride an uptown #1 when it leaves TSQ, and watch from the right side (against the wall), and see briefly the shuttle track #4 only for only one second.

-William A. Padron
["Shuttle"]


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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 15 22:38:54 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 15 20:27:46 2022.

I believe how it was supposed to work is a train on track 4 would cross over to track 1 and go out via the portion that connects track 1 to the Lexington Avenue line.

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 22:55:29 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 15 22:38:54 2022.

Not possible! Tracks 1 and 4 are isolated between each other with those I-beam middle stanchions, and have no provisions for any such track crossover switches.

Just like with the new wide entrance at TSQ (42nd-43rd/Broadway), there is a new very wide staircase covering former tracks 2 and 3 at GC-42 (Madison Avenue).

So Track 4 to the N/B track of the West Side Line, and Track 1 to the S/B track of the East Side Line. And so it goes...

-William A. Padron
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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 23:30:37 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 15 20:27:46 2022.

Not sure on that.

As of today any view of the track 4 connection area is blocked by blue construction walls. It is possible they may construct a doorway marked "Authorized Personnel Only" or something like that.

That area can't bee seen from the new platform area. The most you can see from there is a small portion of the original track 4 platform and since that is on a curve you can't see much.

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by VictorM on Wed Mar 16 00:44:24 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 15 20:27:46 2022.

The only thing you'll see from the new Times Square shuttle platform is track 4 disappearing into a dark tunnel, the same as you see on track 1 at Grand Central. The rest of the Times Square shuttle complex is for employee use only.

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[PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 07:09:07 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 15:34:16 2022.

Touche'
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Track #4 on the removable bridge.
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Mar 16 08:09:41 2022, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 07:09:07 2022.



Bill: The top photo is a masterpiece. Back then all the men wore straw hats. Thank for posting this.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Mar 16 08:13:22 2022, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 07:09:07 2022.

What is that square thing people are holding in front of their faces, seems folded when carried and are in piles near the station entrance?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Mar 16 08:27:33 2022, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 07:09:07 2022.

by golly,its larry redbirds-n-ELkeeper sharing a newspaper! GOD LOVE YA,OLDTIMERS.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Mar 16 08:28:21 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Mar 16 08:13:22 2022.

A RATHER LARGE HANDKERCHIEF.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 10:46:42 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Mar 16 08:09:41 2022.



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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 16 11:16:31 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 15 22:55:29 2022.

Ah!

I had previously heard they were going to permanently close off the connection between Track 4 and the original IRT and make it where getting shuttle trains on and off the shuttle route would have to be done entirely using the connection to Track 1 of the shuttle from the Lexington Avenue Line.

And you're right, the only connection (obviously severed with the new work) was Track 1 to Track 3. So they had to keep the connect to Track 4/original IRT after all.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Allan on Wed Mar 16 15:42:54 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Mar 16 08:13:22 2022.

It is a rather ancient item - called a newspaper.

Used to be a big thing back in the day.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Allan on Wed Mar 16 15:43:45 2022, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 07:09:07 2022.

Bill,

Great photos.

Any idea the date of the top photo?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 16 17:08:31 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Allan on Wed Mar 16 15:42:54 2022.

No fooling, mister?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 16 19:08:52 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Allan on Wed Mar 16 15:43:45 2022.

Great photos.

Any idea the date of the top photo?


Thank you. The date I have is 1910 but I feel it's sometime in the 1920's judging by the cars.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 17 02:52:35 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 16 11:16:31 2022.

Actually, as originally planned, tk 4 was supposed to be taken out of service permanently and the shuttle use only tk 1 and tk 3. That way the connection to the West Side line could have been severed. They figured out a way to retain the connection to tk 4 and so it was tk 3 that was taken O/S.

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Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Mar 17 12:15:28 2022, in response to Re: 42nd St Shuttle - new entrance at 43rd St/Broadway, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 17 02:52:35 2022.

Keeping two separate track connections makes sense. It leaves some redundancy in the track connection department.

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