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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021 The headlights and marker lights were no longer separate, but in one enclosure. The route and destinations signs along with the marker and Exp / Local signs were situated in a fiberglass bonnet.(May 1966)  (NX)'s were usually R 27/30.s, but like the recent R-32 post, R-38's did make a rare appearance seen here at Brighton Beach. (Dec. 4, 1967)  A mixed consist with some R-40 "slants" at Bay Parkway on the (F) Culver. (Nov. 19. 1968)  Another mixed consist this time with R-32's at Coney Island's Stillwell Terminal. (Dec. 23, 1967)  Heading to Aqueduct Race Track for the "Sport of Kings", new R-38's made the premium fare a better ride. Rockaway Blvd is the photo location. (May 1967)  Back when there was a Culver Express, seen here at Ditmas Ave. (Sept. 1968)  R-38's assigned to (E) service make a station stop at Aqueduct [North Conduit]. (Aug. 29, 1967)  Back when Church Ave. was still lit by incandescent bulbs, a train of R-38's assigned to the (GG) Crosstown line takes on passengers.(Sept. 12, 1968)  The air conditioned units pause at Smith 9th St station before resuming the run to Coney Island. Windows are closed so I assume the A/C was cranking cold air. Their distinctive thin aqua blue pinstripe would eventually wear off and never return.(June 21, 1968)  This is to remind us what the interior of the air conditioned R-38's looked like. This photo was badly over exposed and greenish in color. So I lowered the brightness to remind us how dark these cars were with the back lit car cards. (July 23, 1967)  Returning from Aqueduct Race Track, the special has left the former LIRR Rockaway Division at Liberty Jtc. for the trip back. The front destination sign is incorrect.(May 1967)  Back at Smith 9th St, this time R-38's assigned to the (GG) Crosstown line. (Sept. 12, 1968)  Crossing under to the other side, an R-38 (F) train makes good use of the express track. (Sept. 1968)  |
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Posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 19 08:47:30 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021. Very nice. Thanks for posting one of my favorite cars. As a young lad, I distinguished the R-38 from the R-32 by those backlit upper sidewall ad panels. Little did I know about GE R-32's which had the same feature.I know the operating personnel didn't like them, but those cars with the delicate fluting and blue stripe always appealed visually to me. The Lurkers'Guild It's a fluting thing and you wouldn't understand. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Oct 19 09:26:47 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021. I remember riding it for the first time from 34th/6th on the F when they were new and the train lit the stations as it went through the dark IND. The R10s never did that even though they had florescent too. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 19 10:42:58 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021. I know they weren’t popular car but I liked them very much. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 12:55:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 19 10:42:58 2021. And of course they introduced the great "Darth Vader" brakes 🙂 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 19 14:29:56 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021. AWESOME!!!!I think the R38s were the best looking cars the system ever ran- before or since!!! I know the folks who operated them had some complaints- but in my opinion, for whatever it's worth, they looked DAMNED SHARP!!!! Also, in Pic #6, I can see the sun shining in from the west side of the station, as the Culver Shuttle was still running, and there was no wall there. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 19 15:03:02 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 12:55:54 2021. Yes |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 15:49:24 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 19 08:47:30 2021. Why didn't the MTA continue to build the R-32's? Or, assuming the MTA wanted its own version of them, why not build more R-38's? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 19 16:07:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 15:49:24 2021. St Louis won the bid, and they wer not great with stainless steel.Mayor Lindsay wanted the BART look of the R40. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 19 18:38:59 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 19 14:29:56 2021. I agree. St Louis was at the top of their game with their design & construction of these cars. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 19 18:42:31 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021. Oddly enough, although I saw the R-38s for the first time on June 27, 1968, I didn't actually ride on them until 1987. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Oct 19 19:04:22 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 19 16:07:39 2021. Mayor Lindsay wanted the BART look of the R40.The slanted R-40's predated the BART "A" cars before their own debut in service and on their system on Monday, September 11, 1972. They are being retired, along with their car types "B" (the "cattle cars" that can be placed in the middle of a BART train with no operating cab) and "C" (the "switch-hitters" that have an operating cab but can put anywhere in the consist). -William A. Padron ["4150-4449, R-40 contract overall"] |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 19 20:27:33 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 12:55:54 2021. Unfortunately few of you are old enough to remember but the straight air exhaust from the Multis also had the same "Darth Vader" sound long before any screenwriter ever thought of Darth Vader. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 21:35:29 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Oct 19 19:04:22 2021. I wonder if the C2 cars (2501-2580) are going as well, as they are only about 25 years old. Maybe BART just wants one car type (or one manufacturer, I think technically the cab cars are "D" and the non-cab cars are "E") |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 21:41:50 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 19 18:42:31 2021. I'm not 100% sure I ever rode an R-38. Definitely not post-GOH, I may or not have pre-GOH (when I left in 1976, they were primarily on the E or F, though they did appear other places (in the fall of 1974, 3950-3989; 3992-3999* were assigned to the N. I was attending John Dewey HS at that time, I remember being on the athletic field which is right next to the Sea Beach ROW, and seeing them pass by (and hearing the Vader brakes). That's before the N went to Continental Av (replacing the EE), so I'm guessing they were assigned to CIY at that time.)*-by that time, this had happened to 3990/1 😢  Photo by Steve Zabel; collection of Joe Testagrose |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Oct 19 21:51:55 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 21:35:29 2021. The full story and status of BART's fleet could be found in this Wikipedia article. Yeah, C2's seem to be going out as well...Bay Area Rapid Transit rolling stock -William A. Padron ["Berryessa-North San Jose"] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 23:40:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 19 16:07:39 2021. I remember that! Lindsay had his Silk Stocking view of Fun City. Unsafe R-40 Slants, idiotic city management, etc. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 20 00:06:02 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 23:40:47 2021. Nothing has changed has it? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 21 10:26:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 19 21:41:50 2021. 3990-3991 and 4000-4001 did not last long in service. They sat in CI yard for a long time before being scrapped. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Thu Oct 21 13:31:26 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 19 08:47:30 2021. My first ride on R38 equipment was in the summer of 1966, to include the last ten cars of the order that were factory equipped with AC climate control equipment in 1967. Loud equipment that was amplified by the IND Type Two trackways, and flat wheels a plenty.I managed to ride the first F Train of R38 equipment to Stillwell Coney Island on the night of the big BMT-IND merge of Chrystie Street. R32's were running on the QB ready to change Rout & destination signs for 6th Avenue service. At the time I found myself at 34th & 6th Av after returning from a party in Astoria where a train of R9's were charging up ready to leave the terminal for Jamaica 179th Street. While waiting for an expected southbound D train to appear, a southbound F consisting of R38's signed for CONEY ISLAND rolled in, and so I got on. My intended stop was 23rd Street, but as any rail enthusiast might do, I rode it south to W4th Street where I got off the train. By now I knew that the Chrystie Street cut was now in service. So I waited around W4th to see what else would develop. Within the span of five minutes southbound D consisting of R4 subway cars arrived on B4 track. At this point the train on Track B4 confirmed that the Chrystie Cut was now in use. Unknown to many at the time, the B3/4 tracks at the Manhattan portal of the Manhattan Bridge had been connected during the Thanksgiving holiday where a couple of R9's were sent through the Cut to run up an down the North side of the Manhattan Bridge to polish the rails. From what I understand, this drove the dispatchers at DeKalb a little nuts to because the model board at DeKalb displayed trains on the A/B tracks going back and forth wrong railing. Of course no one at the TeeAye communicates with each other. When the IND R4 cars made it over the bridge into DeKalb Avenue, it was pure pandemonium on the platform. All that could be heard from the crowd was "It's A D, it's a D." At the same time as this was going on, NYCTA employees were installing the first generation (White with Black letters and route symbol) of uniform information signage located overhead at the edge of the platform. After viewing all the excitement at DeKalb I decided to return to home to Manhattan by getting on a Northbound D of R32's to my 6th Avenue stop. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 21 13:49:26 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Handbrake on Thu Oct 21 13:31:26 2021. When the IND R4 cars made it over the bridge into DeKalb Avenue, it was pure pandemonium on the platform. All that could be heard from the crowd was "It's A D, it's a D." At the same time as this was going on, NYCTA employees were installing the first generation (White with Black letters and route symbol) of uniform information signage located overhead at the edge of the platform.My dad was a Post Office employee at the Times Plaza station on Atlantic Ave. When he came home after that first day he arrived late and was fuming. I guess he wasn't the only one that was caught up in the cluster f. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by zac on Thu Oct 21 14:07:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 21 13:49:26 2021. Only 10(?)+ years in planning and on the first day nobody knew what was going on. I remember seeing on TV a platform conductor telling everybody "the D is now the F" because that was all he knew about the changes, never mind the D was still running. Where it went was irrelevant to him. It was total chaos the first rush hour. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 21 14:10:34 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by zac on Thu Oct 21 14:07:39 2021. Why couldn't they leave the D alone and simply extend the F as the Brighton Express ? |
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Posted by trains61 on Thu Oct 21 14:19:24 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by trains61 on Tue Oct 19 08:47:30 2021. Thanks for sharing your memories, Handbrake.To Elkeeper, I don't know the answer to your question. I have been puzzled as to why the MTA didn't order a new batch of R-179 or R-160 cars to replace the older equipment. Kind of like your question about a new batch of R-32's. Random thought, would love to see 8 car R-160 cars on the G/GG train. The Lurkers'Guild 4 cars short of being a real train. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 21 15:05:41 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 21 14:10:34 2021. If that happened, the regular "F" going along Brighton would have to do constant switching in each direction at either south of 42nd Street or north of West 4th Street. The "D" via Smith Street-Culver would continue to do at those same spots, even after the 6th Avenue express tracks were to be use.-William A. Padron ["Queens-6th Av. Exp."] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 21 15:08:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 19 18:42:31 2021. I rode them and the 32s for years- but it was only in the late 1990s that I realized the differences between them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 21 18:44:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by zac on Thu Oct 21 14:07:39 2021. The first several days were utter chaos. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 21 18:58:13 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 07:21:48 2021. Great pics. I wonder why was this car order so small? 600 R32, 550 R27/30, 400 each for the R40 and R42, but only 200 of these... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 21 20:19:43 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by trains61 on Thu Oct 21 14:19:24 2021. Funding |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 21 22:41:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 21 18:58:13 2021. Strange. There were well over 200 R-44s (not including the SI ones), and since they were 75', you didn't need as many cars for a full-length (600') train. And of course the R-46 order was huge. Who knows? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 22 00:21:05 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Oct 19 21:51:55 2021. In fact, BART proudly announced the retirement of all of the C-2's saying they had the worst maintenance issues. Of course, all of the As, Bs, and C-1s IINM have had mide life GOH but not the C-2s.As to the BART 'look' I believe, that St Louis once advertised a BART mockup, hopiong they would get the order. Rohr lowballed the first 200, correctly gambling that the next 250 (necessary for full service but not yet funded) would have no competition. And so they jacked up the price and still got the second order... |
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Posted by zac on Fri Oct 22 09:16:35 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 21 18:58:13 2021. My guess, and only a guess, is that they needed more cars to open Chrystie St. and this was a gap order. That plus the older cars, standards and r1-9s, were getting unreliable even if not officially on the retirement line. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 22 09:19:24 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 21 18:58:13 2021. I've wondered the same thing... |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 22 09:51:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by zac on Fri Oct 22 09:16:35 2021. R38's replaced the worst of the R1's, sending borrowed R16's back to ENY.R40's replaced the Standards. They were all running until early 1968 invasion of R9's. IMO, R38's were a cheap knock-off immitation of the R32's. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Oct 22 12:50:01 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 22 00:21:05 2021. Too bad about the C2s. I noticed that there was a never a C2 as a lead motor in trains I rode once they had been delivered (1996 and 1997 for me). Seems a consist would be A-B-B-B-C1-C1-B-B-C2-C1 or something like that. basically operating as a powered trailer. I don't know if that changed later on. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 22 20:13:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 22 09:51:03 2021. The last of the BMT standards rode off into the sunset on August 4, 1969. The last train was a Moe. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 23 01:52:53 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Then Along Came The R-38's, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 22 09:51:03 2021. I share your opinion. |
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