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Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 13 18:14:56 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. Bet you have capital plans and blueprints drawn up too, eh ch1pp3r?Ever heard of NIMBYs? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 18:20:24 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. Why does the L need a yard at its west end? It's a pretty short line. A round trip on the L is no longer than a one way trip on lots of other lines. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 18:43:16 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 18:20:24 2021. Put-ins. Lay-ups.If 8th Ave Canarsie had some kind of storage tracks at the end of the line it would save lots of money on personnel. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 18:53:07 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. Extending Astoria Line might overlap Ditmars Blvd and that alone would rage Astorians. They would say it's a conspiracy to extend to LGA something they are against.But that line does need LU space at the end. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jun 13 19:10:31 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. I can confidently state that tunneling in New York City isn't exactly cheap. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 13 20:13:20 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. It will never happen, of course, but a track connection between the L and the A/C/E at 14th would allow for some interesting routings. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 13 21:06:42 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. I can,i,ve posted on it several times and talked to a lighting maintainer who along with his helper walked it when the wall at 95st.was taken down for platform extension. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 13 21:08:38 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. I can,i,ve posted on it several times and talked to a lighting maintainer who along with his helper walked it when the wall at 95st.was taken down for platform extension.also atflatbush ave the 2 track tunnel extends beyound the bumoer blocks for several hundred feet. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 13 21:27:43 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 18:43:16 2021. OK, tail tracks, maybe holding 2 trains each, but not a whole yard.But consider the OP, that 44 is probably his score 🙄 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 21:43:03 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 13 21:27:43 2021. 4 trains would be a big savings in terms of personnel.An entire yard would be unnecessary. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 13 21:56:07 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. We have 3 yards on the A train. The only line that has 3 IIRC |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 13 21:59:36 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 13 21:08:38 2021. You didn't mention that #1&2 end at the back of 174th St yard but the tub myel goes up to the GW Bridge. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Jun 13 22:45:12 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 13 21:27:43 2021. Isn't there a storage track between 6th and 8th Ave. on the L line? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jun 13 22:55:32 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by jabrams on Sun Jun 13 22:45:12 2021. Isn't there a storage track between 6th and 8th Ave. on the L line?Ahem...yes! -William A. Padron ["8th Av"..."[6]"] |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 13 22:59:00 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by jabrams on Sun Jun 13 22:45:12 2021. Isn't there a storage track between 6th and 8th Ave. on the L line?There is, running from near the west end of the platform at Sixth to some distance east of Eighth more or less below Seventh. I believe it's enough for one train.. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jun 13 23:10:08 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 18:53:07 2021. Well, if need be, you can always store (lay-up) the trains in the middle track on the Astoria Line between 39th Avenue and Astoria Boulevard. It was done before back then.-William A. Padron ["Beebe Avenue"] |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 14 00:12:05 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by William A. Padron on Sun Jun 13 23:10:08 2021. I agree. But it's always better to have storage tracks right at a terminal. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 14 02:56:38 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 13 22:59:00 2021. That’s all it has room for and when I was a M/M I had a run that laid up a train at 8th Ave. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 14 02:59:47 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Jun 13 21:06:42 2021. One of the thongs I noticed when I was a M/M on the weekend RR in 1970 when the platforms were being extended was that there was no evidence in the street of any construction taking place, indicating that there was some sort of existing tunneling beyond the block end of the station. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 14 03:02:58 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 13 21:59:36 2021. The tunnel used to go up to the GWB, but in the early 1950s, an underground vehicular tunnel was constructed from the GWB to the Harlem River Dr which was later replaced by the full Cross Bx Expwy and construction for both of them pretty much destroyed any traces of the subway connection. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Jun 14 07:43:56 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by randyo on Mon Jun 14 03:02:58 2021. ...an underground vehicular tunnel was constructed from the GWB to the Harlem River Dr which was later replaced by the full Cross Bx Expwy...For the record, the portion of that roadway in Manhattan, from the Harlem River Drive to the GWB, is officially known as the "Trans-Manhattan Expressway". -William A. Padron ["I-95"] |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Jun 14 08:19:52 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. I believe at one time the MTA had proposed extending the Nostrand Avenue subway east past Flatbush Avenue along the LIRR freight ROW as a layup area. Supposedly the existing tunnel runs to Avenue H. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 09:20:25 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Dan on Mon Jun 14 08:19:52 2021. you are correct. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 14 10:41:38 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by randyo on Mon Jun 14 02:59:47 2021. Short platform extensions seem to be possible without tearing up the street.When the uptown 6 at Bleecker was lengthened by a full block at the south end to connect with the BDFM, the sidewalk above was most definitely excavated. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Jun 14 11:57:05 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 09:20:25 2021. I meant to say the tunnel supposedly runs a bit past Avenue H to the LIRR ROW. Are there any sidewalk grates on Nostrand Ave south of Avenue H? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 14 12:30:47 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. Nut of the Month Club post |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 14 13:16:03 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 21:43:03 2021. Exactly |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 14 13:18:20 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 14 12:30:47 2021. +44444444 |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Mon Jun 14 14:55:46 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. As far as I know, no one in this discussion has mentioned 76th Street, which has been a favorite discussion topic for as long as my shaky memory permits. My research into Hagstrom maps has revealed interesting information about Euclid Avenue on the A when it was the terminal:http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/76st.html ________________________________________ 76 St Passenger service: November 1948 - December 1948. Existing abandoned portions: 2 platforms on 4 trackways. Touring: There is no way to see this station. ________________________________________ construction and operation The Fulton Street subway was the Independent System's main line from downtown Brooklyn to southern Queens. Construction was delayed by funding problems in the early 1930's, solved by federal Works Progress Administration funding starting in 1936. That lasted only a few years, as work on the last portions in Brooklyn was then stopped in 1942 shortly after the nation entered World War II. The article continues, with documentation. If you consider Joseph Brennan and Columbia University trusted source, read on. (The website cited is listed as not secure.) I might mention that 75th and 76th Street saddle the Brooklyn/Queens border. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 14 15:00:26 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by George Foelschow on Mon Jun 14 14:55:46 2021. LOL! You’re been made a fool of. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 14 15:01:24 2021, in response to Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:34 2021. LOL. And where, pray tell, would these yards go? |
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Posted by Subfan on Mon Jun 14 15:08:22 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by George Foelschow on Mon Jun 14 14:55:46 2021. That's an April Fool's joke article.subfan |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Mon Jun 14 15:14:56 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 14 13:16:03 2021. But does a tunnel still exist uinder 4th Av south of 95th St to 101st St? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 15:25:51 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Dan on Mon Jun 14 11:57:05 2021. there were,they built a home depot[iirc] across the street from the terminal station and tookout the cemented over gratings apx 15 years ago. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 15:26:38 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Jun 14 15:14:56 2021. yes. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 14 15:28:55 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by George Foelschow on Mon Jun 14 14:55:46 2021. The first paragraph of that page is accurate, then...Page last updated 1 April 2002. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 14 21:24:51 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 18:53:07 2021. Actually, I would be looking to extend the N/W to The Bronx via a bridge that would follow a new stop at 20th Avenue and then in the Bronx stop at Food Service Drive before going underground after that. Such a extension would be designed to include transfers at Elder-Westchester Avenue to the (6) and East 180th Street to the (2)/(5). |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Tue Jun 15 00:05:47 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 14 15:00:26 2021. What a truly charming reply. I admit I did not notice the April 1 date. Whoever concocted this deserves kudos for creativity. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 15 01:18:23 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 14 10:41:38 2021. Normal platform extensions that only require extending into an existing tunnel don’t require any workin the street. However, the extension of the platform at 95 St would have required building another 60 ft or so of brand new subway by cut and cover if there wasn’t already some existing subway infrastructure already in place. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 15 01:19:42 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Jun 14 07:43:56 2021. Thanks for the info. Even though I lived in that neighborhood, I didn’t know it was called that. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 15 01:24:25 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 15:25:51 2021. Although I never personally saw them, I have heard that for many years, the trackways were visible to passengers crossing between platforms at the south end of the station until a new entrance was built there and the trackways sealed up behind a wall. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 15 01:31:34 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 15:26:38 2021. My question is where does it go? 4th Ave curves slightly to the right (west) and follows what was the path of 5th Ave N/O 95 St. Does that mean the the tunnels also curve slightly to the right to match 4th Ave or do they continue straight under what is now private property? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 15 01:34:55 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by George Foelschow on Mon Jun 14 14:55:46 2021. Anybody who REALLY researched the saga of 76th St would know that the station was never intended to be a terminal of any kind since there were no plans for any switches at either end of the station to allow for a reverse move |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 15 09:54:00 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by George Foelschow on Tue Jun 15 00:05:47 2021. I did not intend to offend, I only intended to call your attention to the fact that it was an April Fools prank. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 15 14:53:35 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by randyo on Tue Jun 15 01:24:25 2021. Yup.Have the photos showing the R21/22 cars And the tunnels. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 15 14:54:42 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jun 14 15:25:51 2021. You sure you aren't referring to Target? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 15 15:04:10 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by George Foelschow on Mon Jun 14 14:55:46 2021. Nice..Just about everything written there Is true, except for some minor details. Its an "ONION PIECE "... Meant to fool even the sharpest of railfans way back when...even fooled some of our old timers..like SelkirkTMO..( I miss my uncle). Its all Good,bro.. I loved reading it,and your reilliteration. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 15 21:02:18 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 14 15:01:24 2021. IAWLOL |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Wed Jun 16 12:24:43 2021, in response to Re: Subway lines that need a yard at the end of each line., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 15 09:54:00 2021. Got that, and thanks for your reply. |
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