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The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again |
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Posted by Seabeach53 on Wed Apr 21 08:29:26 2021 Good morningI know this has been posted before, but again the work train was stuck in the tunnel. This is a rather frequent occurrence during the morning rush. Why? |
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Posted by zac on Wed Apr 21 08:54:42 2021, in response to The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Seabeach53 on Wed Apr 21 08:29:26 2021. Is it the grade? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 21 09:05:47 2021, in response to The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Seabeach53 on Wed Apr 21 08:29:26 2021. What sort of equipmemt is the work train ? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Apr 21 09:30:20 2021, in response to The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Seabeach53 on Wed Apr 21 08:29:26 2021. racism |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Apr 21 17:16:44 2021, in response to The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Seabeach53 on Wed Apr 21 08:29:26 2021. Aren't the dimensions of BMT tunnels a bit narrower than IND tunnels, by about 3 or so inches? I saw in old Electric Railway Journals that on river crossings, they had to shave 1/16" off the distance between the track gauge and the third rail center (i.e. 27.5" rather than 27.5625"). The IND was a bit more generous on their river crossings. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 01:08:47 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by W.B. on Wed Apr 21 17:16:44 2021. From what I saw in a PSC report from circa 1915 the BMT’s tunnels and other dual contracts infrastructure was built to accommodate the LIRR commuter coaches that were even a bit larger than IND cars and some of the first dual contract subways were even roomier than the IND which came later. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 22 06:16:25 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 01:08:47 2021. That would be 10' wide, 65' long with a normal truckbase, and 13'6" tall, whether with 5 box vents or box headlight off the clerestory |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Apr 22 10:15:47 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Apr 21 09:30:20 2021. Huh?And I say again.... HUH? |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Apr 22 12:37:41 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 22 06:16:25 2021. Some clearance diagrams are presented in this Reference Guideline:https://new.mta.info/document/19361 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 22 13:41:16 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 01:08:47 2021. From what I saw in a PSC report from circa 1915 the BMT’s tunnels and other dual contracts infrastructure was built to accommodate the LIRR commuter coaches that were even a bit larger than IND cars and some of the first dual contract subways were even roomier than the IND which came later.Was that spec for new Dual Contract construction or for the existing Triborough Subway? |
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Posted by W.B. on Thu Apr 22 14:54:41 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 22 06:16:25 2021. I was actually talking about the "tubes." I think from end to end the inner diameter on the BMT tunnels was 15' 6" (7' 9" radius), vs. 15' 9" (7' 10˝" radius) for the IND. I was wondering if that factor was why a work train would get stuck in the 60th Street tunnel.The steel construction of subway tunnels, that held. |
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Posted by W.B. on Thu Apr 22 14:55:31 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 22 13:41:16 2021. Sounds like Dual Contracts, if you're talking about tubes which on BMT river crossings was 15' 6" diameter, vs. 15' 9" on IND river tubes. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Apr 22 15:03:35 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Apr 21 09:30:20 2021. TUNNEL LIVES MATTER |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Apr 22 19:37:32 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by W.B. on Thu Apr 22 14:54:41 2021. I assumed "stuck" meant mechanical failure, not literally scraping the tunnel wall. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Apr 22 19:43:26 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by Allan on Thu Apr 22 10:15:47 2021. OBS easily holds the title of "smoothest brain on SubChat" and has for a very long time. Brain empty, no thoughts, pure unsullied reaction. |
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Posted by W.B. on Thu Apr 22 21:30:13 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by K. Trout on Thu Apr 22 19:37:32 2021. Could be both . . . |
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Posted by jabrams on Thu Apr 22 22:11:48 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by K. Trout on Thu Apr 22 19:37:32 2021. Aren't all work trains made from IRT cars which is narrower and shorter than a BMT or IND subway car? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 23 01:51:56 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by jabrams on Thu Apr 22 22:11:48 2021. Not necessarily. Some of the older work equipment was made specifically for the IND or BMT before the work train divisions were consolidated. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 23 19:40:36 2021, in response to Re: The work train stuck in 60th street tunnel again, posted by jabrams on Thu Apr 22 22:11:48 2021. There have been BMT/IND cars attached to work trains occasionally, most recently R32s. |
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