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Posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Apr 19 22:49:45 2021, in response to Question about the F train., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Apr 19 18:25:05 2021. Stop asking the same questions.Time and time again you've been told to wait and see, so just wait and see. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 20 02:01:19 2021, in response to Question about the F train., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Apr 19 18:25:05 2021. It’s doubtful that more trains will be added until CBTC is installed on the entire line from end to end. The 6 Av Line between 5 Av and Jay St will still have the conventional signals so that would be the limiting factor. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Apr 20 04:24:56 2021, in response to Question about the F train., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Apr 19 18:25:05 2021. Remember that the F-train and the E-train share the same tracks in Queens, which means that the balance of trains between those 2 lines could be affected.Right now (or as usually current times) there were 15 F-trains and 15 E-trains running during the rush hour periods, because the signal system could handle 30 trains per hour. That works out to a train every 2 minutes. There is also the issues of ridership, and the extent to which ridership will return to prior crowded levels. Again as usual there is the concern about "express F-trains" between Bergen Street and Church Avenue - when the major, crowded ridership is at the local stations. That is something that we as a forum have discussed many plenty of times! Just some thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 07:12:21 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Apr 19 22:49:45 2021. What bothers me is that the article on the MTA website that discusses CBTC on the QB line refers to the “71st Street - Forest Hills” station. There is no such street in Forest Hills, it’s 71st Avenue. If the MTA makes such a careless error on such a minor thing, how can they be trusted with a complicated process like CBTC? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 07:27:18 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 07:12:21 2021. Because somebody didn't zoom in sufficently on Google maps.Why does that surprise you when their so-called planners want to reroute a Jackson Hts-hub bus route to a non-ADA local station via a street with speed humps ? Reading First and Fastest (Chicago) quarterly magazine, CTA is totally rebuilding their north side Red-Purple L. New signal system will also be downward compatible to run older rolling stock. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 10:39:30 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Apr 19 22:49:45 2021. What bothers me is that the article on the MTA website that discusses CBTC on the QB line refers to the “71st Street - Forest Hills” station. There is no such street in Forest Hills, it’s 71st Avenue. If the MTA makes such a careless error on such a minor thing, how can they be trusted with a complicated process like CBTC? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 10:41:48 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 07:27:18 2021. The CTA has been publishing cab-view videos of all of their lines on YouTube. It’s amazing to me, as well as disappointing, how much better their system is than ours. It’s cleaner, faster and smoother. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 20 11:02:53 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 10:39:30 2021. I agree with your comment that it's a careless error but really, your linking it to CBTC is disingenuous. The person writing the referred article is not the person overseeing CBTC. They are not even the same department. There are contractual provisions that mandate the vendors to provide a working system. You are drawing comparisons between apples and trash cans. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 20 11:11:57 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 20 11:02:53 2021. They are not even the same department. There are contractual provisions that mandate the vendors to provide a working system.In other words... Interns... :D |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 11:20:03 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 10:41:48 2021. They do have a jerky speed control system though. But they do whip around curves pretty fast, and recover very quickly. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Apr 20 11:24:57 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 10:41:48 2021. I find CTA to be a relatively enjoyable system to ride, but both from the YouTube videos and from firsthand riding pre-pandemic I can tell you that it has its frustratingly slow moments. I'm thinking mostly outside The Loop, which itself is decent considering most trains there can serve its 8 stations in about 17 minutes, which isn't bad. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 20 12:01:56 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 20 11:11:57 2021. Without a doubt. Interns with indifferent oversight |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 20 12:02:03 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Railman718 on Tue Apr 20 11:11:57 2021. Without a doubt. Interns with indifferent oversight |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 14:09:49 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by randyo on Tue Apr 20 02:01:19 2021. What's the spec for service level capacity for the Queens Blv CBTC? Byford would not answer that question, when I asked him at a York College presentation.The F shares track with the M from 50th down to Bway-Lafayette. There are fewer M trains than E's. The 6th Ave line local track can handle 30 tph. So, if there were a desire and they had the rolling stock and crews, they would not have to wait for CBTC's system-wide completion. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 14:43:28 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 07:27:18 2021. The CTA has been publishing cab-view videos of all of their lines on YouTube. It’s amazing to me, as well as disappointing, how much better their system is than ours. It’s cleaner, faster and smoother. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 20 16:21:43 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 11:20:03 2021. The speed control system isn’t jerky, its the T/Os who don’t operate properly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 17:20:38 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by randyo on Tue Apr 20 16:21:43 2021. The 3200's seem to be better with it. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 21 03:54:54 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 20 10:39:30 2021. I do not understand your statement concerning the 71st Avenue - Forest Hills Station subway station which was planned and built in the 1920's, and opened in the early 1930's.- - - - The Forest Hills -71st Avenue Station - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Hills%E2%80%9371st_Avenue_station Forest Hills–71st Avenue (previously known as 71st–Continental Avenues) is an express station on the IND Queens Boulevard Line of the New York City Subway, located on Queens Boulevard at 71st (Continental) Avenue in Forest Hills, Queens. It is served by the E and F trains at all times, the History The Queens Boulevard Line was one of the first lines built by the city-owned Independent Subway System (IND) and stretches between the IND Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan and 179th Street and Hillside Avenue in Jamaica, Queens. The Queens Boulevard Line was in part financed by a Public Works Administration (PWA) loan and grant of $25 million One of the proposed stations would have been located at 71st Avenue. During the late 1920s, in anticipation of the arrival of the subway, land was bought by developers and was built up. Zoning laws were changed to allow fifteen-story apartment buildings to be built, and made the neighborhood of Forest Hills a more desirable place to live, especially as it was an express stop. Queens Borough President George Harvey predicted that the introduction of the subway to Forest Hills would turn Queens Boulevard into the "Park Avenue of Queens." - - - There is / was an Forest Hills LIRR station, located in Station Square in Forest Hills Gardens at Burns Street. - - - From The NYC-Subway.Org Website 71st-Continental Aves.-Forest Hills https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IND_Queens_Boulevard_Line#71st-Continental_Aves.-Forest_Hills Four tracks, two island platforms. The tile stripe is light green with black border. I-beams are also light green. A dispatch tower is in the center of the southbound platform. The full mezzanine has a center fare control. There is a free crossover. East of the station the line widens to six tracks, with two tracks starting between the local and express pairs. They dive to a lower level, widen to four tracks, and run on a lower level through 75th Ave. station. This is primarily for access to Jamaica Yard and off-peak train storage. - - - I just do not understand any of the vitriol. The MTA and the NYC Transit Authority over the decades have made station signage, train signage, maps and other materials, various internal documents and maps - you would think that they would know how to describe a subway station. https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?137400 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?136872 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?126938 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?102422 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?102426 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2065 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5401 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2926 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5402 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4658 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4896 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24017 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5375 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69335 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4649 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24543 But, what do I know, there isn't a street called "Parkchester!" Mike |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 21 04:30:39 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 21 03:54:54 2021. Queens Boulevard into the "Park Avenue of Queens."Yes. A lot of the buildings on or just off Queens Blvd have a doorman and Presidential name. It did become an upscale piece of Queens. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Apr 21 07:37:01 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 21 03:54:54 2021. He was just saying that 71 St is not 71 Ave. They go through very different neighborhoods.In any case, MTA / NYCT (like other transit agencies too) have a history of making errors when posting information on a short-term basis, and it's not unheard of for there to be a typo or missing icon/graphic somewhere on a map, or even on "permanent" station signage. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Apr 21 07:50:45 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 21 04:30:39 2021. In no small part thanks to the vision of those who designed and built the IND subway which made midtown Manhattan a fast one seat ride away instead of a long trolley or bus ride. Today the Q60 bus replaces the old trolley cars but it doesn't offer any limited or select bus service. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Apr 21 10:08:07 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by murray1575 on Wed Apr 21 07:50:45 2021. The Q60 is good mostly for short-distance rides along Queens Blvd that make it less feasible to go through the trouble of going downstairs for the subway. It thrives off of stopping at places that the subway doesn't, and so probably wouldn't do as well with an express option that would bypass those places.You'll notice that lots of stops for express bus routes (to Manhattan) are often located where the homes are and would have no problem bypassing major intersections. For example, the QM6 along Union Tpke bypasses Springfield Blvd as well as Francis Lewis Blvd, even though it stops elsewhere near those points and even though they are transfer points between local buses. They know that the places where people would want the bus are probably at the "in-between" spots. Or if you're like me you would use the Q60 as part of an overall plan to save a free subway transfer for later after running errands or hanging out at the transfer point. (For example, park the car in Kew Gardens or Briarwood, take the Q60 to Forest Hills or Elmhurst for errands, then free transfer to subway for Manhattan). |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Apr 21 12:14:36 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Apr 21 10:08:07 2021. I am also aware that there are express bus routes that use Queens Blvd. en route to Manhattan but I don't know where they stop. They also charge a premium fare as compared to the subway as does the LIRR which runs roughly parallel to the subway for some distance. The buses have to contend with a significant amount of traffic which give the subway and railroad a speed advantage. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 21 13:14:04 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Apr 21 07:37:01 2021. The confusion lies, including among especially new subway personnel, primarily conductors doing manual announcements, is the signage reads 71st Continental. In many cases the "Avenue" is missing. So they mistakenly take the "st" for "street" rather than for the word "first". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 21 13:21:24 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by murray1575 on Wed Apr 21 12:14:36 2021. They use Queens Blvd leaving Manhattan and the LIE towards Manhattan. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 21 14:11:24 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 21 13:14:04 2021. A good explanation |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 22 07:30:12 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 21 13:14:04 2021. Adding to that, the historical use of "71st-Continental Avs had kept me confused for a while before I started discovering Queens more. Since 71 Av and Continental Av were the same Av, I don't get why they use/used "Avs" at any point. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Apr 22 23:58:50 2021, in response to Re: Question about the F train., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 14:09:49 2021. Merge/diverge reduces tph (or used to) by something like 90 seconds per. |
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